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July 30, 2011, 01:37:17 PM
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I know there is another Euro Roulette game in the works but it's in beta and the owner doesn't want to offer it up yet. Maybe they will be done with it soon. :-) I've verified that the RNG is legit.

Hopefully we'll have some decent games soon.


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July 30, 2011, 04:08:52 PM
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Im Very angry at the "shappire casino" While i Love the look and the games.

Under freeplay your roulette table Spun 24blacks 4greens and 4 reds, And the reds ONLY appeard once i bet on them.

Also Because i think this is impossible to be this unlucky, I say on the board covering 66% of it, And TEN spins were all losses ina row, Without ONE win. I call Shenanigans

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July 30, 2011, 10:20:54 PM
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The betcoin.eu game sucks. It wouldn't let me put more than 6 or so .1 chips on the board at once so I just withdrew.

meh.

It is *definitely* time for a good, HONEST Roulette game.


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July 30, 2011, 10:30:05 PM
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Teach me how to play roulette and I will code it. It will look like shit though.  Previous work: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=32926.0

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July 31, 2011, 01:41:42 PM
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Im Very angry at the "shappire casino" While i Love the look and the games.

Under freeplay your roulette table Spun 24blacks 4greens and 4 reds, And the reds ONLY appeard once i bet on them.

Also Because i think this is impossible to be this unlucky, I say on the board covering 66% of it, And TEN spins were all losses ina row, Without ONE win. I call Shenanigans

Whoa. That's quite an accusation to throw around. And first of all, it's not true: You only spun for real money six times.

All of our games work exactly the same in Play as in Real money. They run on exactly the same piece of code, and from the same random number generator. The generator is on a separate server and runs continuously with no knowledge of the bets or conditions on the game server.

Looking at your history, I do see why you'd be worried. You seem to have some pretty weird luck. On the play table the spins went: 6 Blacks, 1 green, 6 Blacks, 1 green, 5 blacks, 3 reds, 1 black, 1 green.

When you went to the real table, it's true that you bet two columns on each spin, and lost 6 times in a row. The chances of the same column coming up 6 times in a row are about 1 in 1010.  But you didn't play the same two columns every time. Your spins were 5, 3, 4, 12, 23 and 16. After the fourth spin, you switched columns and remained unlucky. All those numbers fall within normal ranges on that day, except for 16, which came up less often than average.

On the day you played, July 28th, our overall payback for real-money Roulette was actually 100.7%, with $1049.54 in bets placed. As we have it, your total amount bet was $2.70 mostly in $0.25 chips, on six real spins.

Come back and watch players on the roulette tables, and join a multiplayer table if you want the assurance. You'll see clearly that we don't, and couldn't, rig that game. It's unfair to throw out accusations based on a very, very limited slice of what happens on one roulette wheel over a handful of spins. I'm sorry you had a run of bad luck and that it appeared strange, but it's bound to happen to someone, sometime. There are no shenanigans at StrikeSapphire. And you don't have to take my word for it. It's impossible for a multiplayer roulette table to cheat, and all our spins are published daily right here:

https://strikesapphire.com/reports/

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July 31, 2011, 07:10:25 PM
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Im Very angry at the "shappire casino" While i Love the look and the games.

Under freeplay your roulette table Spun 24blacks 4greens and 4 reds, And the reds ONLY appeard once i bet on them.

Also Because i think this is impossible to be this unlucky, I say on the board covering 66% of it, And TEN spins were all losses ina row, Without ONE win. I call Shenanigans

Whoa. That's quite an accusation to throw around. And first of all, it's not true: You only spun for real money six times.

All of our games work exactly the same in Play as in Real money. They run on exactly the same piece of code, and from the same random number generator. The generator is on a separate server and runs continuously with no knowledge of the bets or conditions on the game server.

Looking at your history, I do see why you'd be worried. You seem to have some pretty weird luck. On the play table the spins went: 6 Blacks, 1 green, 6 Blacks, 1 green, 5 blacks, 3 reds, 1 black, 1 green.

When you went to the real table, it's true that you bet two columns on each spin, and lost 6 times in a row. The chances of the same column coming up 6 times in a row are about 1 in 1010.  But you didn't play the same two columns every time. Your spins were 5, 3, 4, 12, 23 and 16. After the fourth spin, you switched columns and remained unlucky. All those numbers fall within normal ranges on that day, except for 16, which came up less often than average.

On the day you played, July 28th, our overall payback for real-money Roulette was actually 100.7%, with $1049.54 in bets placed. As we have it, your total amount bet was $2.70 mostly in $0.25 chips, on six real spins.

Come back and watch players on the roulette tables, and join a multiplayer table if you want the assurance. You'll see clearly that we don't, and couldn't, rig that game. It's unfair to throw out accusations based on a very, very limited slice of what happens on one roulette wheel over a handful of spins. I'm sorry you had a run of bad luck and that it appeared strange, but it's bound to happen to someone, sometime. There are no shenanigans at StrikeSapphire. And you don't have to take my word for it. It's impossible for a multiplayer roulette table to cheat, and all our spins are published daily right here:

https://strikesapphire.com/reports/

i'll go agian then

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August 01, 2011, 03:20:24 AM
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Tried the Sapphire game and it seems ok but the UI could use some work. The wheel is a little hokey and less animation, or an option to turn it off completely would make the game better.

It would benefit from a "Saved Bets" feature.

Oh, I also could not figure out how to clear a chip from the table once it's placed. I know in a real casino it would be against the rules, but online sometimes there is an errant click and it would be best to be able to clear it. Maybe by a right-click, if possible?

Looks ok otherwise. Going to try some bitcoins on it later.



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August 01, 2011, 04:23:24 AM
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In a real casino roulette you can change bets until the dealer states "no more bets" and waves off the table.

You should try our roulette.  Prior to pressing Spin you can clear bets, although it does clear the whole board so you have to replace all bets.

After each spin you have 3 choices:

1. Place all new bets
2. Select "Re-Bet" - all of your bets from the previous round will be automatically made and you can add new bets prior to spinning the wheel again
3. "Re-Bet and Spin" - all of your bets from the previous round will be made and the wheel will be spun again

We also have a Fast Play option where the result is instantly displayed without the wheel graphics.

Our Roulette limits are Min Bet .1 BTC to Max Bet 20 BTC.

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August 01, 2011, 08:00:37 AM
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It would benefit from a "Saved Bets" feature.
Oh, I also could not figure out how to clear a chip from the table once it's placed.

You can drag individual chips off the table, or to other positions on the table after placing them. You can drag one stack onto another to merge them. Drag the chips down and off the table, then release, to remove them individually. To remove all bets, set yourself "Away".

Good note about having both a Repeat and a Repeat & Play button! We've just broken that into two separate buttons in our interface, for Roulette and our other games as well. (reload the site if you're on it for the changes to be visible).

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August 01, 2011, 02:33:15 PM
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You should try our roulette. 

I think I requested an invite yesterday or the day before but haven't heard anything back so far.


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August 01, 2011, 02:37:41 PM
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You can drag individual chips off the table, or to other positions on the table after placing them. You can drag one stack onto another to merge them. Drag the chips down and off the table, then release, to remove them individually. To remove all bets, set yourself "Away".

Good note about having both a Repeat and a Repeat & Play button! We've just broken that into two separate buttons in our interface, for Roulette and our other games as well. (reload the site if you're on it for the changes to be visible).

Thanks for the info. I did figure out that Set Away clears the chips.

Sometimes the wheel doesn't spin but the ball goes round and round. Just thought you should know. Maybe it's my bitcoin mining. :-)

Saved Bets would still help me a lot, similar to what's possible at http://www.betvoyager.com/

You place chips on the table, then you can save that bet with a name so that you can quickly recall that, or any other saved bet.

I like to throw a lot of chips around, and the multi-player game goes just a little too fast for me to be able to do that accurately, without putting chips down where I didn't want them to go. A single player game is fine because I can take my time.

Thanks!


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August 01, 2011, 02:40:28 PM
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Oh, and the double-zero wheel sucks. It will keep me from playing too much. I much prefer the Euro wheel odds.

But that's just me. :-)

I will probably wait for that euro game to come out.


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August 01, 2011, 02:56:06 PM
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Good points about the software / saved bets / etc. I'm not sure what kind of glitch you're seeing with the wheel graphics, but we'll look into it.

Unfortunately, we can't take US players, and that's why you haven't got the invite. No one's happy about it, but them's the rules. Undecided

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August 02, 2011, 09:31:22 PM
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Hmm, I was referring to the btcsports people on the invite but it seems like it showed up in my box anyway.


SSACEO: The wheel doesn't spin but the ball goes around sometimes. It may be bitcoin mining interfering with the graphics for some reason. Not sure.


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August 02, 2011, 09:46:17 PM
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Hmm, I was referring to the btcsports people on the invite but it seems like it showed up in my box anyway.


SSACEO: The wheel doesn't spin but the ball goes around sometimes. It may be bitcoin mining interfering with the graphics for some reason. Not sure.


Aha. Yeah, we've never heard of that bug before in Roulette and spent awhile trying to reproduce it, but weren't successful.

The roulette wheel takes advantage of GPU acceleration if you're using Flash v. 10.1 or later. The ball is rendered in CPU space. If your video card was too busy mining to render the wheel video at variable frame speeds, it would probably look just like what you described. We don't have a testing environment where our CPU is empty and our video card is running at 200%, which is probably why we could find it =)

One solution to mine and play our Roulette at the same time would be to downgrade to Flash Player 10.0 (we're no longer compatible with 9.x). The wheel might be a little choppy, but it's not too bad on a Dual Core or better if it isn't sitting with lots of other tables and/or other Flash tabs in the browser.

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August 03, 2011, 03:03:23 PM
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Euro roulette would be fun to try...

But y'know what i think would Beat all the other online btc roulettes. Is if the Wheel was a 3d Physical object within an engine and then we drop a Physical 3d ball onto the spinning Collidable wheel,

This could A.)Create a nice random
B.)Be watched for what hits more frequently
C.)A realistic ball is more trustable to some than an MD5sum because most people just look for that MD5 string and think it's legit, They dont even inspect it

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August 03, 2011, 04:29:31 PM
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The only problem is that if the code is client-side, then it's vulnerable to hacking... and if it's server-side, then it's vulnerable to tampering, and it's using a huge amount of GPU or CPU power (and time) to perform a very simple task. Both parties have to trust each other. And if you trust each other -- an MD5 hash uses about 0.000001% the resources as a collision-detecting 3d wheel. Our wheel is truly collision-detecting and runs an algorithm on the ball that decelerates it to land in whatever slot the server tells it to. It detects collisions and tweaks the ball's velocity at every collision to look mostly right. So...anything can be tampered with.

Really, you have to trust the casino, and the casino has to trust you. Otherwise, don't bet with them. It always surprises me when I hear players in the US for example talk about sites they can still play at as if that's a good thing. If you find a site from the US that lets you gamble online, you're basically dealing with people who have no problem committing a Federal offense. Why would you think they'd have a problem cheating you, if there was money riding on it? Their reputation? Sense of honor? Moral principles? Anyway...

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August 17, 2011, 05:55:54 PM
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Your new signature banner is quite nice, I reccomend Raising the white lettering and subtext underneath it in small font the word casino

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March 05, 2016, 01:12:37 AM
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Sorry to drag up an old thread, but here's a new take on public coin roulette:


block-roulette.bit

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blockzz.com
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http://frass.woodcoin.org/block-roulette/

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April 26, 2016, 01:51:43 PM
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since now everyone wants to gamble with everything they have. now also roulette
with the bit coin is gold not just enough? don't gamble with the bit coins you can better hold them for selling later at a high value.
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