Block chain size/storage and slow downloads for new users

[tvbcof]

Have you ever tried to talk to a satellite network provider for consumer class connectivity and got farther than some Indian...

Yes, I did. I even got invited to Hughes' headquarters in Inglewood to discuss various technical options (not related to Bitcoin).

I think you understand that their consumer market are the proverbial "hicks" and it requires the approach appropriate to hicks. From your avoidance of the 3 technical questions I asked I'm going to assume that you actually don't have the required technical background for a productive discussion with their engineering and NOC staff.

At least T1 is fully symmetric, so you'll have no problems then.
 

So, you told your Indian that you know your connection is asymetric and she was so impressed she turned you over to the NOC where you impressed the engineers so much that they hired you as a consulting staff engineer to get better service for the us hicks who have needs better served with symmetric data channels?  Wow.  You da man!

The lady told me that I was not supposed to know about port 80 on the defaultrouter.

You are perfectly correct that I do not know the various (theoretically) possible protocols available various layers on the satellite link.  I've not studied it very hard either because I'm not staying up nights waiting for any of them to be options for me.  Maybe you can work your magic there at headquarters for me?  But be quick because I am greatly looking forward to plain old T1 and have got the hardware upon which to build my router on the bench.

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Have you ever tried to talk to a satellite network provider for consumer class connectivity and got farther than some Indian...

Yes, I did. I even got invited to Hughes' headquarters in Inglewood to discuss various technical options (not related to Bitcoin).

I think you understand that their consumer market are the proverbial "hicks" and it requires the approach appropriate to hicks. From your avoidance of the 3 technical questions I asked I'm going to assume that you actually don't have the required technical background for a productive discussion with their engineering and NOC staff.

At least T1 is fully symmetric, so you'll have no problems then.
 

So, you told your Indian that you know your connection is asymetric and she was so impressed she turned you over to the NOC where you impressed the engineers so much that they hired you as a consulting staff engineer to get better service for the us hicks who have needs better served with symmetric data channels?  Wow.  You da man!

The lady told me that I was not supposed to know about port 80 on the defaultrouter.

You are perfectly correct that I do not know the various (theoretically) possible protocols available various layers on the satellite link.  I've not studied it very hard either because I'm not staying up nights waiting for any of them to be options for me.  Maybe you can work your magic there at headquarters for me?  But be quick because I am greatly looking forward to plain old T1 and have got the hardware upon which to build my router on the bench.

Dude, you are just a confirmation that Hughes does have a correct policy of treating all consumer-level users as either hicks or repeated TOS violators who burned all possible terrestrial ISP options in their location.

Anyway, for the people interested in the satellite ISPs the intelligent user plan is two point:

1) learn a bit about the specifics of the satellite technology so you don't sound like a vengeful hick with a shotgun,
2) escalate through the installer/reseller support channel.

Edit: I don't want to play thread bump games with tvbcof, so I'm going to edit this message.

I've got some shotguns though (...and not the old modem ones for anyone who remember's that technology.)

Bingo!

I don't want to drag this thread further away off-topic, so a few more observations of importance to those who have to use the wireless ISP:

3) large percentage of customers for those ISPs are high credit risk people. Many non-mobile wireless ISPs therefore sell and install rather strange configurations where all the expensive equipment is outdoors (easier to repossess after payment default) and only an elaborate but cheap power supply is indoor.
4) the same ISPs have seemingly strange fixation on selling "family" plans. It is their way to filter out dangerous loners with no wife/children. The "militarized loners" market segments are separately served through other outlets like military surplus stores.
5) even with very minimal technical skills you should be able to rent and configure yourself a remote server that you can locate in an well-connected area and minimize the bandwidth requirements for "the last miles to the cabin in the woods."

[tvbcof]

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Dude, you are just a confirmation that Hughes does have a correct policy of treating all consumer-level users as either hicks or repeated TOS violators who burned all possible terrestrial ISP options in their location.

Just FYI, the only other option in consumer-land is a POTS modem, and the line is so bad I can barely talk on it half the time.  Never got more than 19,200 IIRC.  No cell tower in range and I'm 8 miles from the CO.  No line-of-sight to set up a radio link to anywhere interesting even from my own ridge line either.  I'd have to have at least one repeater to reach my place in town (about 12 miles away as the crow flys.)  I've got some shotguns though (...and not the old modem ones for anyone who remember's that technology.)

Anyway, for the people interested in the satellite ISPs the intelligent user plan is two point:

1) learn a bit about the specifics of the satellite technology so you don't sound like a vengeful hick with a shotgun,
2) escalate through the installer/reseller support channel.

And for anyone who tries it, let us all know how that works out for you.  Even if you have to take some time off your busy schedule after being hired by the provider as senior engineering staff.

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And for those of you who design (or blather on about) two-factor authentication, note that not everyone is always in cell range.  I rarely am.

[tvbcof]

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Edit: I don't want to play thread bump games with tvbcof, so I'm going to edit this message.

Smart man.  Many have found out the hard way what a mistake that is.

I've got some shotguns though (...and not the old modem ones for anyone who remember's that technology.)

Bingo!

I don't want to drag this thread further away off-topic, so a few more observations of importance to those who have to use the wireless ISP:

3) large percentage of customers for those ISPs are high credit risk people. Many non-mobile wireless ISPs therefore sell and install rather strange configurations where all the expensive equipment is outdoors (easier to repossess after payment default) and only an elaborate but cheap power supply is indoor.

Only config I've ever seen is the modem in the house and what Viasat is calling the TRIA these days out on the dish.  Maybe my credit score is good enough for them.  It's up around 800 IIRC, but I don't pay much attention to it.  Anyway, it would not be a good idea for the maintance dude to come onto my property unannounced and start picking up things.  Or anyone's place in my area.  I don't think I know anyone who doesn't have guns around, and there are a fair number of tweakers.  They are smart enough to stay away from private property for the most part however.  It's kind of a survival of the fittest thing around here.

4) the same ISPs have seemingly strange fixation on selling "family" plans. It is their way to filter out dangerous loners with no wife/children. The "militarized loners" market segments are separately served through other outlets like military surplus stores.

Oh so that explains my problems.  Thanks for the tip.  I'll borrow my nephew next time I need to requisition services, leave my AK47 at home, and not wear so many hand grenades strapped to my belt.

5) even with very minimal technical skills you should be able to rent and configure yourself a remote server that you can locate in an well-connected area and minimize the bandwidth requirements for "the last miles to the cabin in the woods."

That's actually one of the main reasons I bought a place in town.  I used to run a server there, but at the end of the day there are still jurisdictional problems which make it somewhat like pissing into the wind.

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If I may beg you to dig deep into your well of knowledge one more time, would you suggest that I tell my 'installer/reseller support channel' that the reason I'd like them to give me a synchronous protocol on my beam is that I wish to run bitcoind?  I ask because my bank told me that they canceled my account because it was hooked to Coinbase and if I did anything Bitcoin related with any other accounts they would cancel those as well and drop me as a customer completely.

I'm thinking perhaps I should just say I wanna run a security cam.  --edit:  ...but I'm a little worried that since they staff their engineering dept with geniuses like yourself who they find on their tech support line, they may have the ability to recognize the port 8333 traffic and slap me for being naughty.

[tvbcof]

OK, back on topic here...

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BTW, I asked on another thread but nobody really knew the answer:  If there was a block chain fork and a war broke out between miners, could one make their own choices about which chain to follow in some way with Multibit?  Or is it just sort of hard coded that transaction attempts go into a nebulous cloud and results are put on whatever fork the server decides?  In other words, if there was a fork with unlimited block size and it formed the longest chain (for a while at least), could most Multibit transactions just get slapped on it without the user upgrading or being aware of what is happening?

Anyone?  Anyone?  Knowledge? Hypothesis?  Guesses?

I probably won't ever run Multibit, but being something of a hodler being able to predict what might happen in certain scenarios is kind of important to understand.

[CoinCidental]

not sure about the multibit thing but i like to run the bitcoin qt core on my main computer 24/7 to help strengthen the network in my area and help other users near me download it faster ....

i like the fact that the bitcoin network is more powerful than the 500 top super computers  on the planet combined  and i intend to help  keep it that way if i can

i have  multibit on my laptop if i need to make a quick transaction somewhere too and this combination works well for me

[danielpbarron]

In theory, Bitcoin can still operate even if every copy of the old parts of the chain are destroyed.

In theory, you write code. In reality, you subvert bitcoin with treasonous statements such as this.

[stupidminer]

It takes days to sync my wallet. It really needs better solution 

[CoinCidental]

It takes days to sync my wallet. It really needs better solution 

Leave it running and it stays up to date and doesn't use resources.... You don't even notice it in the background of you have a reasonable spec pc

[RappelzReborn]

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Spamming with your referal link around won't help you earn any money . Doing services , being active and enrolling in signature compaigns , helping people , selling goods you have .. that what will makes you earn money.

[danielpbarron]

Spamming with your referal link around won't help you earn any money . Doing services , being active and enrolling in signature compaigns , helping people , selling goods you have .. that what will makes you earn money.

[sarcasm]Yeah those two things are totally different.[/sarcasm]

[Coinna]

Is MultiBit as safe to use as QT Core ?

Thanks

[Muhammed Zakir]

Is MultiBit as safe to use as QT Core ?

Thanks

Yes, it is! FYI if your computer is compromised(affected with viruses/malwares), even the secure wallet isn't safe.

   -MZ

[JohnsCasino]

QT Core is good only for folks who can keep it on and connected to the internet all the time...you break it for one day and it takes 15 minutes to sync

Multibit is a good choice

[CoinCidental]

QT Core is good only for folks who can keep it on and connected to the internet all the time...you break it for one day and it takes 15 minutes to sync

Multibit is a good choice

some people dont turn their computers off anyway for other reasons and most western houses have wifi thesedays

i have multibit as well but i like to run a full node anyway to strengthen the network

i think its only a matter of time before the current blockchain is pruned or compressed into something more managable  etc because new users will  have no need to store every transaction of the last 7 years

[scriptphp874]

Why bitcoin wallet day to day very slow sync network?

[Muhammed Zakir]

Why bitcoin wallet day to day very slow sync network?

Maybe because of the node. Try to add new nodes:

#0 make sure you actually want bitcoin core [1]
#1 use the torrent [2]
#2 sync with good nodes for the rest, add them with addnode IP add from your bitcoin.conf file [3] or select a single node a use connect=IP

my personal list of nodes:

Code:

last updated 2014.10.10
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IP               - location             - owner[1]-  speed      - info/stats page[2] - testnet
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
84.200.34.113    - Freinsheim, DE, EU   - Newar   - 1000 mbit/s - yes                - no
185.45.192.129   - Amsterdam, NL, EU    - anon    - 1000 mbit/s - /node.php[3]       - yes
213.165.91.169   - Germany, EU          - shorena -  100 mbit/s - yes                - no
50.7.68.180      - New York, USA        - Newar   -  100 mbit/s - yes                - no
5.9.24.81        - Germany, EU          - zvs     -  unknown    - no                 - no
178.79.173.71    - United Kingdom, EU   - zvs     -  unknown    - no                 - no
107.155.104.194  - Dalls, USA           - zvs     -  unknown    - no                 - no
106.185.32.195   - Japan, Asia          - zvs     -  unknown    - no                 - no
94.242.57.173    - Russia, Asia         - zvs     -  unknown    - no                 - no
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[1] refers to a bitcointalk.org username or anon if requested
[2] same IP, port 80 or path/port given
[3] work in progress

[1] https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145386.0
[3] https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Running_Bitcoin#Sample_Bitcoin.conf you will have to create the file.

   -MZ

[scriptphp874]

Why bitcoin wallet day to day very slow sync network?

Maybe because of the node. Try to add new nodes:

#0 make sure you actually want bitcoin core [1]
#1 use the torrent [2]
#2 sync with good nodes for the rest, add them with addnode IP add from your bitcoin.conf file [3] or select a single node a use connect=IP

my personal list of nodes:

Code:

last updated 2014.10.10
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
IP               - location             - owner[1]-  speed      - info/stats page[2] - testnet
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
84.200.34.113    - Freinsheim, DE, EU   - Newar   - 1000 mbit/s - yes                - no
185.45.192.129   - Amsterdam, NL, EU    - anon    - 1000 mbit/s - /node.php[3]       - yes
213.165.91.169   - Germany, EU          - shorena -  100 mbit/s - yes                - no
50.7.68.180      - New York, USA        - Newar   -  100 mbit/s - yes                - no
5.9.24.81        - Germany, EU          - zvs     -  unknown    - no                 - no
178.79.173.71    - United Kingdom, EU   - zvs     -  unknown    - no                 - no
107.155.104.194  - Dalls, USA           - zvs     -  unknown    - no                 - no
106.185.32.195   - Japan, Asia          - zvs     -  unknown    - no                 - no
94.242.57.173    - Russia, Asia         - zvs     -  unknown    - no                 - no
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[1] refers to a bitcointalk.org username or anon if requested
[2] same IP, port 80 or path/port given
[3] work in progress

[1] https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145386.0
[3] https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Running_Bitcoin#Sample_Bitcoin.conf you will have to create the file.

   -MZ

Thanks
let me try

[ranochigo]

Why bitcoin wallet day to day very slow sync network?

Maybe because of the node. Try to add new nodes:

#0 make sure you actually want bitcoin core [1]
#1 use the torrent [2]
#2 sync with good nodes for the rest, add them with addnode IP add from your bitcoin.conf file [3] or select a single node a use connect=IP

my personal list of nodes:

Code:

last updated 2014.10.10
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
IP               - location             - owner[1]-  speed      - info/stats page[2] - testnet
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
84.200.34.113    - Freinsheim, DE, EU   - Newar   - 1000 mbit/s - yes                - no
185.45.192.129   - Amsterdam, NL, EU    - anon    - 1000 mbit/s - /node.php[3]       - yes
213.165.91.169   - Germany, EU          - shorena -  100 mbit/s - yes                - no
50.7.68.180      - New York, USA        - Newar   -  100 mbit/s - yes                - no
5.9.24.81        - Germany, EU          - zvs     -  unknown    - no                 - no
178.79.173.71    - United Kingdom, EU   - zvs     -  unknown    - no                 - no
107.155.104.194  - Dalls, USA           - zvs     -  unknown    - no                 - no
106.185.32.195   - Japan, Asia          - zvs     -  unknown    - no                 - no
94.242.57.173    - Russia, Asia         - zvs     -  unknown    - no                 - no
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[1] refers to a bitcointalk.org username or anon if requested
[2] same IP, port 80 or path/port given
[3] work in progress

[1] https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145386.0
[3] https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Running_Bitcoin#Sample_Bitcoin.conf you will have to create the file.

   -MZ

It is also important to choose a node that is the nearest to you. Download and upload speed can decrease if the peer is far from you. If the wallet is syncing slowly, it would be most probably due to the verification of the blocks or you have a slow drive. Every blocks have to be verified individually and read/write and CPU speed is a important factor here.

[Velkro]

block chain size is most important right now, in near future it will be impossible for most normal users to run full node
old chains prunning is a must
hurry up devs!