need altcoin programmer

[gen. specific]

seeking altcoin programmer, willing to sign NDA


PM me

[Zas]

You realize that on the interwebs an Non Disclosure Agreement isn't worth the paper it is written on?

[gen. specific]

You realize that on the interwebs an Non Disclosure Agreement isn't worth the paper it is written on?

non disclosure agreements aren't about actually not disclosing anything, its about subjecting the person to civil liability when they do disclose something they agreed not to, so that person things twice, but its a limited financial hedge (insurance) for the company for actual or perceived losses from the disclosure

judges are very accommodating to this

[Zas]

You can't launch a civil claim against a) someone not in your jurisdiction b) somewhere your country doesn't have any kind of treaty with c) someone you can't actually identify.

So I'll repeat. Not worth the paper its written on.

Here's something anecdotal to read through: http://indie-fund.com/2010/07/the-worthlessness-of-ndas/ and really you should read it.

[gen. specific]

You can't launch a civil claim against a) someone not in your jurisdiction b) somewhere your country doesn't have any kind of treaty with c) someone you can't actually identify.

So I'll repeat. Not worth the paper its written on.

have you ever seen a contract? prepared by an actual lawyer? usually jurisdiction and identification are part of the contract

I am guessing you just come on the internet to debate things, if you are not eligible for this project and are not willing to sign an NDA then this thread isn't for you

also, since I'm not from a small island nation its actually quite probable that the person(s) I engage with are within an applicable jurisdiction

I've gotten very cheap summary judgements approved, and retaining a lawyer for that is really not as expensive as *everyone* on the internet believes it is.

[Zas]

I edited my post you should really read the link. I don't think you're capable of enforcing an NDA against someone in Russia.

[gen. specific]

I edited my post you should really read the link. I don't think you're capable of enforcing an NDA against someone in Russia.

your flawed assumption is that everyone who replies is eligible to be a part of this project

[Lohoris]

seeking altcoin programmer, willing to sign NDA

LMAO

A real legally binding NDA is quite an hassle, I wouldn't even consider (any more) signing such a document if you didn't pay up front a substantial amount of money, in advance, regardless of the outcome of the negotiations.

If anyone is going to sign that is either a noob, or someone who wants to cheat you anyway.
The opposite is true too: if anyone asks you to sign an NDA without realising this, is himself a noob or wants to cheat you.

(of course if that NDA is not really legally binding, then it's just wasted paper anyway)

[Zas]

LMAO

A real legally binding NDA is quite an hassle, I wouldn't even consider (any more) signing such a document if you didn't pay up front a substantial amount of money, in advance, regardless of the outcome of the negotiations.

If anyone is going to sign that is either a noob, or someone who wants to cheat you anyway.
The opposite is true too: if anyone asks you to sign an NDA without realising this, is himself a noob or wants to cheat you.

(of course if that NDA is not really legally binding, then it's just wasted paper anyway)

Fixed! I'm assuming you didn't mean for the double negative amirite?

I also completely agree.

[Lohoris]

Fixed! I'm assuming you didn't mean for the double negative amirite?

I also completely agree.

Thanks! (for both) : )

[gen. specific]

I'd like this vocal minority to keep the thread bumped, I've got several PMs from more discreet interested parties

[Zas]

I don't think either of us are against you, it's just that you need to be aware that you're not going to be able to enforce the NDA so you're wasting your time with it so you shouldn't put any faith into it being able to claw back any money in the slightest. I very much doubt that any of the programmers will give you 'real' information anyway.

Now, back to the altcoin... do you have a thread for this altcoin?

[Lohoris]

I don't think either of us are against you, it's just that you need to be aware that you're not going to be able to enforce the NDA so you're wasting your time with it so you shouldn't put any faith into it being able to claw back any money in the slightest. I very much doubt that any of the programmers will give you 'real' information anyway.

Now, back to the altcoin... do you have a thread for this altcoin?

+1

Again, if you are going for an NDA, serious programmers just won't accept, so you are pretty much guaranteed to get a noob working for you.

I've explained why, and I've explained this for free.
If you chose not to read what I wrote, well, too bad for you, I'm sorry (sincerely).

[gen. specific]

I don't think either of us are against you, it's just that you need to be aware that you're not going to be able to enforce the NDA so you're wasting your time with it so you shouldn't put any faith into it being able to claw back any money in the slightest. I very much doubt that any of the programmers will give you 'real' information anyway.

Now, back to the altcoin... do you have a thread for this altcoin?

+1

Again, if you are going for an NDA, serious programmers just won't accept, so you are pretty much guaranteed to get a noob working for you.

I've explained why, and I've explained this for free.
If you chose not to read what I wrote, well, too bad for you, I'm sorry (sincerely).

thank you for the insight, this is simply not true in the technology hubs of america

maybe things are different in your international software side gigs, but I'm not really trying to emulate that, this forum so happens to be the only place where the talent pool with previous experience would exist

[super3]

Any freelance programmer knows its a red flag when the first thing you say is NDA.

[digitalindustry]

Lets me simplify it :

although i think Lohoris already said it .

when you want someone to sign anything like an NDA you are limiting your potential.

because unless you have 100's of thousands , no one cares about signing an NDA .

then you also limit again your talent pool to jurisdiction.

honestly though i fully support the NDA principal - the more of you guys that misunderstand this environment the better my overall success.



SO +1 to NDA , i'd say its a definite requirement , just think if your idea is good someone will surely steal it !

any good programmer will work both for a small amount and be happy to sign a binding NDA , also ask for ID and SS#

[fluffypony]

You can hire me, but you won't like my rates, and I don't work for "profit share" based on an idea.

[JohnDorien]

You can hire me, but you won't like my rates, and I don't work for "profit share" based on an idea.

same here.. pm me

[shinkicker]

You should get off this guys back. I have signed many, many NDA's before working on products such as video game QA to developing enterprise applications, even more so when its contract based for a fixed period and not full time Also if you ever work with another software vendor, NDA's are pretty much the first thing that happens after the first meeting is finished.

Yes of course you might not be able to enforce them in Somalia, OP knows that.  But in majority of countries, they are pretty standard for working on projects which in still in the R&D phase.

[super3]

You should get off this guys back. I have signed many, many NDA's before working on products such as video game QA to developing enterprise applications, even more so when its contract based for a fixed period and not full time Also if you ever work with another software vendor, NDA's are pretty much the first thing that happens after the first meeting is finished.

Yes of course you might not be able to enforce them in Somalia, OP knows that.  But in majority of countries, they are pretty standard for working on projects which in still in the R&D phase.

NDA for a company or large vendor makes complete sense. You have access to proprietary designs, code, and as was knowledge of future products before their competitors do.

If you idea is really that easy to copy then you simply have to worry about staying ahead of the curve. There is no way you can stop copies. By time you even apply for a patent your product will already be irrelevant.