Who's winning Android or iPhone?

[Meizirkki]

Android is a bunch of slow java shit with complicated user interface. Oh, and it reboots for no reason every now and then. I'm not a fan of iPhone either but of these two, iPhone all the way.

Have you had much experience with newer Android phones? Since they updated to 4.2 the UI is super smooth

yes. Ics improved UI performance. Still, the fastest android UI on the latest hardware cannot be as pleasant as the iOS experience. Here's why:

Android system doesn't have as strict control over the behaviour of core features such as (the many different)  launchers and multitasking. A badly designed app has never been able to crash of freeze the iOS system and it's GUI on my (now sold) iPhone or iPad. On my current android phone, there has never been a case where an application freeze wouldn't cause a system crash or system freeze for prolonged period.
tl:dr android system fails to control badly behaving apps.

This has to do with the above, but android phones also have generally worse batterylife. Where iOS aggressively kills background apps, android allows them to run.

Android is a general OS, where iOS is specifically designed and optimized for it's hardware.

Android is java.

And my most hated thing about it is the lack of simplity. iOS has the highest user satisfaction because it's so simple. Android used to be simplier, but lately it has become a total mess.

[jackjack]

Android is a bunch of slow java shit with complicated user interface. Oh, and it reboots for no reason every now and then. I'm not a fan of iPhone either but of these two, iPhone all the way.

Have you had much experience with newer Android phones? Since they updated to 4.2 the UI is super smooth

yes. Ics improved UI performance. Still, the fastest android UI on the latest hardware cannot be as pleasant as the iOS experience. Here's why:

Android system doesn't have as strict control over the behaviour of core features such as (the many different)  launchers and multitasking. A badly designed app has never been able to crash of freeze the iOS system and it's GUI on my (now sold) iPhone or iPad. On my current android phone, there has never been a case where an application freeze wouldn't cause a system crash or system freeze for prolonged period.
tl:dr android system fails to control badly behaving apps.

This has to do with the above, but android phones also have generally worse batterylife. Where iOS aggressively kills background apps, android allows them to run.

And my most hated thing about it is the lack of simplity. iOS has the highest user satisfaction because it's so simple. Android used to be simplier, but lately it has become a total mess.

I so disagree with that. I have the exact opposite experience.
Big apps are killed on Android but made my iPhone unusable even after manually killing them. My i5's battery literally died 6months after first use (went from 21h to 2h). I never understood how Apple put all the settings... Half in the app, half in the settings, half in settings>app.

I had an iPhone 5 and now a Nexus 4. I'd never come back.

[JonnySmithers]

The iPhone is for people who aren't into computers for computer's sake, but are into computers for productivity. The Android is for people who are into computers for the sake of experimenting with computers...

Agreed.

[realestone]

i own a cellphone repair shop in atlanta also buy and sell phones,tablets,laptops etc so i come across alot of iphones, ive tried the apple iphone 3g then went back to android because i didnt see what the big buzz was about i tried the 4 then again went back to android ive tried the 4s then again you get the idea lol ive tried to be as open minded and unbiased as i can be but i just cant see what the big deal is with ios i always try it out for a week or two then go back to android

[Inaba]

IOS is the Fisher Price OS for the "My First Smartphone" crowd.  It's great for your mom or dad or grandparents and excellent for kids.  Android is for people who want to use their phone as more than a toy.

That said, the camera on the iPhone is superior by leaps and bounds to any Android phone, so if pictures with your phone are important to you, go with the iPhone.

There's lot of differences between Android phones, though... One phone is not like another and some suck really bad and others are full of awesome, so you have to be careful which you chose.

Nexus 4 for a techy wired brain or a Samsung Galaxy S4 for a non-techy "I kinda want an iPhone but don't want the full Fisher Price experience" wired brain.

[FirstAscent]

i own a cellphone repair shop in atlanta also buy and sell phones,tablets,laptops etc so i come across alot of iphones, ive tried the apple iphone 3g then went back to android because i didnt see what the big buzz was about i tried the 4 then again went back to android ive tried the 4s then again you get the idea lol ive tried to be as open minded and unbiased as i can be but i just cant see what the big deal is with ios i always try it out for a week or two then go back to android

Fine but do you have any professional interests where you need apps other than games and address book apps?

[cryptoanarchist]

IOS is the Fisher Price OS for the "My First Smartphone" crowd.  It's great for your mom or dad or grandparents and excellent for kids.  Android is for people who want to use their phone as more than a toy.

That said, the camera on the iPhone is superior by leaps and bounds to any Android phone, so if pictures with your phone are important to you, go with the iPhone.

There's lot of differences between Android phones, though... One phone is not like another and some suck really bad and others are full of awesome, so you have to be careful which you chose.

Nexus 4 for a techy wired brain or a Samsung Galaxy S4 for a non-techy "I kinda want an iPhone but don't want the full Fisher Price experience" wired brain.

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[realestone]

i own a cellphone repair shop in atlanta also buy and sell phones,tablets,laptops etc so i come across alot of iphones, ive tried the apple iphone 3g then went back to android because i didnt see what the big buzz was about i tried the 4 then again went back to android ive tried the 4s then again you get the idea lol ive tried to be as open minded and unbiased as i can be but i just cant see what the big deal is with ios i always try it out for a week or two then go back to android

Fine but do you have any professional interests where you need apps other than games and address book apps?

uh i run a business with 5 employees of course i do i use kingsoft office, astrid tasks and everynote and i use sigfig to manage my investments to name a few on a daily basis now i know theres more then likely ios apps for everything that i do on my android device but the mind wants what it wants i prefer android not knocking apple i just prefer android its a personal preference

[Inaba]

IOS is the Fisher Price OS for the "My First Smartphone" crowd.  It's great for your mom or dad or grandparents and excellent for kids.  Android is for people who want to use their phone as more than a toy.

That said, the camera on the iPhone is superior by leaps and bounds to any Android phone, so if pictures with your phone are important to you, go with the iPhone.

There's lot of differences between Android phones, though... One phone is not like another and some suck really bad and others are full of awesome, so you have to be careful which you chose.

Nexus 4 for a techy wired brain or a Samsung Galaxy S4 for a non-techy "I kinda want an iPhone but don't want the full Fisher Price experience" wired brain.

Once again I disagree. a Jailbroken iPhone can be as versatile as any Android. That being said, we are talking about a Phone!!! What can you do with Android that you can't do with iOS and we are talking productivity wise.
I want to make phone calls, I want to check email, I want to share my mobile data plan with other devices...etc.
The biggest advantage iOS has over Android is the ecosystem. First of all, Android does not have a decent Laptop (ChromeOS is a joke and that's it), with iOS you have full integration with OSX so you have a great ecosystem (MacBook, iMac, iPad, iPhone) and they all share great features together, like iCloud, PhotoStream, iTunes.
Backing up an iPhone and restoring all the contacts/Photos/calendars/setting is a breeze on the iPhone. Can you say the same thing about Android? doubtful.
Taking a picture on the iPhone automatically uploads it on photostream to all your iOS/OSX devices. Can you do that with Android NATIVELY? NO!
As a mobile OS, iOS is leap years more advanced and productivity wise what you do with iOS would take three times more to do with Android.
Even Windows is creating a better ecosystem with Windows 8(.1) and the tablets/phones available for it.
I dont need a phone that I can do  my programming on it, that's what laptops/pc are for. I need a phone that is FAST, allows me to do the basics such as email/photos/tethering and maybe a few other basic things. Yes, every now and then I can RDP to a windows client or ssh to a linux/unix from my phone, is that convenient? sure, in an emergency, but I have to be crazy to do it on a daily basis.
I don't even want to get into the business model from one vs the other because Android clearly loses that battle also. Google play is shit compared to iTunes/App Store.
Want to talk fragmentation? check the versions of Android out there compared to iOS... it's a developer's nightmare for android.
Sure, this argument reminds me of Linux vs Windows back in the early 90's with the difference that Windows has always had an overwhelming advantage in market share over Linux and in Android vs iOS this isn't the case.
BTW Inaba, I'm an IT Professional and I work for a Fortune 50 company, not a bunch of borderline scammers with bad project management skills and even worst PR skills.
Maybe the use of android is making you less productive? Get an iPhone, you might be able to work more efficiently. Many customers would appreciate it!

Your entire argument is invalided with one simple argument: You can't change the keyboard on IOS and the Apple stock keyboard is the biggest piece of shit ever.  You can't be productive with that piece of shit getting in your way constantly.

BTW - don't hold up iTunes as some advantage of the Apple ecosystem.  It's one of it's biggest downfalls.  iTunes is a steaming pile of junk on Windows (you know, 90% of the market?) and wrecks everything it touches.  I've never met a single person that likes iTunes on the Windows platform and everyone complains about it.  The fact that you're forced to use iTunes to manage your IOS device is a negative, not a positive.  On top of that, the Google ecosystem is far, far more robust and interconnected than the Apple walled garden.  How's that viewing and downloading of PDFs working out for you in mail?  heh.  Also, how's the association of various file types with certain apps working out?  Oh, it's not?  Sorry to hear that, I guess you're stuck with the junk Apple forces you to use, instead of using an app that actually works for the content you want to work with.  Enjoy your home screen with it's shaky, jittery little ugly icons.  Too bad you can't customize it and you're forced to have a grid of crappy looking icons as opposed to useful widgets.

[FirstAscent]

i own a cellphone repair shop in atlanta also buy and sell phones,tablets,laptops etc so i come across alot of iphones, ive tried the apple iphone 3g then went back to android because i didnt see what the big buzz was about i tried the 4 then again went back to android ive tried the 4s then again you get the idea lol ive tried to be as open minded and unbiased as i can be but i just cant see what the big deal is with ios i always try it out for a week or two then go back to android

Fine but do you have any professional interests where you need apps other than games and address book apps?

uh i run a business with 5 employees of course i do i use kingsoft office, astrid tasks and everynote and i use sigfig to manage my investments to name a few on a daily basis now i know theres more then likely ios apps for everything that i do on my android device but the mind wants what it wants i prefer android not knocking apple i just prefer android its a personal preference

You're only reinforcing my point. You've only named very generic general purpose apps. When you start delving into very specific niche disciplines, you'll find a very limited assortment of quality apps on Android vs Apple.

[Inaba]

Can you name an app that's useful that doesn't have a counterpart in Android that functions just as well if not better?  I'm honestly curious if there is one.. what killer iPhone app exists that doesn't exist in Android?

I can name one in Android... as I said above, it's a keyboard.  Simple, obvious, yet Apple doesn't allow it. 

Lets not even discuss the disgraceful charging/USB situation on IOS. 

[FirstAscent]

Maybe Google, say, cinematography app, and take a look at the results.

Or perhaps, take any specific discipline or field, where we will denote the specific field as X, and do two Google searches, such as:

X app iphone
X app android

Compare the number of search results. Now, factor in the fact that iPhone apps must be approved for quality, and Android apps can be incomplete buggy pieces of shit.

[Inaba]

I'm asking your for specific apps, not general categories.  We can argue until the cows come home about general categories.  Name an app.

The number of search results on Google is not indicative of the availability of an app on either platform.  Heck, if that's the case:

Google:

Android: About 2,830,000,000 results  (0.25 seconds)
IOS: About 611,000,000 results (0.27 seconds)

Android wins by a landslide, I guess this debate is over.

[FirstAscent]

We're not talking about IOS vs. Androids. Change your search to iPhone app and Android app.

Anyway: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/kessler/id529307947?mt=8&ls=1

[realestone]

why is it when someone says they prefer android over apple an apple fan boy comes to apples defense with a reason why anyone is an idiot for not using ios same with android fanboy some people just need to realize everyone isn't going to like what you like for whatever reason. its about personal preference they both have their strengths and weaknesses and any forum ive ever been on this type of topic like 'whats better android or apple' always ended in everyone arguing lol

[FirstAscent]

why is it when someone says they prefer android over apple an apple fan boy comes to apples defense with a reason why anyone is an idiot for not using ios same with android fanboy some people just need to realize everyone isn't going to like what you like for whatever reason. its about personal preference they both have their strengths and weaknesses and any forum ive ever been on this type of topic like 'whats better android or apple' always ended in everyone arguing lol

I'm just reporting facts about the availability of niche apps. I actually have an Android. My experience has been frustrating because there simply aren't certain apps for it.

[Inaba]

We're not talking about IOS vs. Androids. Change your search to iPhone app and Android app.

Anyway: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/kessler/id529307947?mt=8&ls=1

Huh...
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ui.LapseItPro&hl=en
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tina.time_lapse&hl=en

But maybe that's not what that Kessler app does... from a cursory glance, it looks like a trivial app to create, which is probably why no one has ever bothered to create it... there's no demand.

We're not talking about IOS vs. Androids. Change your search to iPhone app and Android app.

Anyway: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/kessler/id529307947?mt=8&ls=1

Ok:

Google:

Android app: About 2,660,000,000 results (0.37 seconds)
iPhone app: About 2,470,000,000 results (0.30 seconds)

Android wins.

[FirstAscent]

We're not talking about IOS vs. Androids. Change your search to iPhone app and Android app.

Anyway: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/kessler/id529307947?mt=8&ls=1

Huh...
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ui.LapseItPro&hl=en
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tina.time_lapse&hl=en

But maybe that's not what that Kessler app does... from a cursory glance, it looks like a trivial app to create, which is probably why no one has ever bothered to create it... there's no demand.

There's never going to be high demand for niche apps. And no, your suggestions don't calculate data for Kessler Omega motor settings.

Anyway, your statements about my first hand knowledge about what I'm describing are useless and irrelevant to the discussion. Just because you want it one way doesn't change the reality of an individual's experiences with special niche apps, which often interface with other manufacturer's products. Please take your Android centric motivations to pick arguments and go argue with someone who cares. It's a fact that your arguments don't mean anything to first hand experiences others have had.

On the other hand, if you have something useful to say about your own experiences relating to this discussion, rather than your childish desire to be an argumentative fucktwit, by all means, there's no better time to begin than now. And I do mean fucktwit in the most sincere manner, as your avatar picture brings back unpleasant memories of you in the past, when you behaved the same way.

[jackjack]

For those who say that a jailbroken iPhone can do the same things than an Android, did you ever even try to install python? A good file browser? A good media player?
kthxbai

[Meizirkki]

Can you name an app that's useful that doesn't have a counterpart in Android that functions just as well if not better?  I'm honestly curious if there is one.. what killer iPhone app exists that doesn't exist in Android?

Not exactly relevant, since I'm running jailbroken iOS, but there's a thing called applocker. Something that prevents chosen apps from being used unless you know the code to open them. This feature works perfectly on iPhones and iPads without causing any trouble to the system.

A dozen applockers exist for android, but almost every single one of them needs suspiscious permissions. The open source android market f-droid or something has a more trustworthy app for this, but my phone went nuts after installing it. Every app, including the launcher and other important parts of the OS itself slowed down. Like every time something is done the locker app comes in the way.

Without this app, no keeping bitcoins on my cellphone.

For those who say that a jailbroken iPhone can do the same things than an Android, did you ever even try to install python? A good file browser? A good media player?
kthxbai

i got all three.