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March 07, 2014, 10:12:23 PM
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Only 5% of them need to be sold at that price to fully cover all of the ACtM debt.
Once that debt is settled the remaining shares or BTC will likely be given to a safe third party for distribution to the victims of Uyko. This is entirely legal and right.
You don't get my point. In a worst case scenario I expect the rest of Ukyo's wealth to be distributed proportionately to us, the debtees. It is not in our interest that one entity gets his isolated cut before.

I suggest to create a new closed thread dedicated to Ukyo.Loan debtees to discuss the resolution constructively. That closed thread should be accessed by Ukyo plus deptees above a significant amount only. I would say a reasonable minimum is 10 BTC? Any opinions on that? I have the impression that everyone wants to have a word in that and the lower the involved amount is, the more non-constructive the words are. Do we have a list of BTC addresses who are involved into Ukyo.Loan?

This sounds like a good idea. Can you set this up?
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Only 5% of them need to be sold at that price to fully cover all of the ACtM debt.
Once that debt is settled the remaining shares or BTC will likely be given to a safe third party for distribution to the victims of Uyko. This is entirely legal and right.
You don't get my point. In a worst case scenario I expect the rest of Ukyo's wealth to be distributed proportionately to us, the debtees. It is not in our interest that one entity gets his isolated cut before.

I suggest to create a new closed thread dedicated to Ukyo.Loan debtees to discuss the resolution constructively. That closed thread should be accessed by Ukyo plus deptees above a significant amount only. I would say a reasonable minimum is 10 BTC? Any opinions on that? I have the impression that everyone wants to have a word in that and the lower the involved amount is, the more non-constructive the words are. Do we have a list of BTC addresses who are involved into Ukyo.Loan?

This sounds like a good idea. Can you set this up?
I think it sounds like a good ide to.

Here is the asset list for Ukyo loan:
Code:
Ukyo.Loan 20 1Bd1b6aMWAwBamevUnExhcYR4F3KzpdQTd
Ukyo.Loan 1 1KrxecCGj1PD458Lfd8xx54KmQm77tXzVA
Ukyo.Loan 105 1DiGXfCS6VoT3wyBkgMeG9STdCTdsCu6Hq
Ukyo.Loan 17,595 1ASJ4PY3UqT11VaEwznTLRnhRZADxKAAMd
Ukyo.Loan 357 1D7TsFBFofQn7ZMQfNHGjsZLrKrvBDbfMq
Ukyo.Loan 19 15QScuqgNzKkrju65fSw6fUSXevGjN7E8m
Ukyo.Loan 62 1B9FuVRbJQBm1RDkrVzQnHbGi6MFmDCh9u
Ukyo.Loan 6 19Ei3TRu6xQRyKfvXC9b4ibGy3fUTPwj5Y
Ukyo.Loan 102 1L4nxiYvuS4tbP9n1gi28J9iUSt22asQYf
Ukyo.Loan 3 1Lyp4Ay8xJWEdEtbNntVKjj8BbH6ALs9a9
Ukyo.Loan 365 1donutMH4L7kdRqh4xvSvesfd3KFu3UNm
Ukyo.Loan 2,166 1CyEbtvE1hTCkayPN6BX6gn7jqhfab8GUT
Ukyo.Loan 4 1Kn78fvoyQeifShQkukVqm11jFV7UYurZE
Ukyo.Loan 7,450 1DLXciNM6Bzi6NF6RTXnYgfiwUvnZsGtSf
Ukyo.Loan 1 1F8wwTDg4JhTKBAPkFF5aJTV6Fgi31nBc9
Ukyo.Loan 5 19MSCX2fcRQUBsGAL1eitBejMXpf7ZpMbU
Ukyo.Loan 100 12PJgCriY6PDXvtYQdsAeCgaqbwSPmshqb
Ukyo.Loan 88 1F9HhHM5YeNyLZnMA6r5F4RAEHdwgQa2hm
Ukyo.Loan 14 19dPnrZXtLqaiihmYXQqFYn7Y1fndZiLF6
Ukyo.Loan 15,000 12PWGTu6EaspuL5uTxxmuXicvATQ8gXjPM
Ukyo.Loan 259 1CwTaRJj2ExsC6tBvdutnMAyJELPAaZdZ3
Ukyo.Loan 730 1N9SW1UqrC4GUDLbLenaznE3LkU3javL1r
Ukyo.Loan 1,501 1DviF5vwPD2Hvn589uXgB8H4Jh5sGZZbs6
Ukyo.Loan 1 1F9xpLoDfuCgsaK7jqQTkVEoU1jgWTh5gY
Ukyo.Loan 2,680 1KDRLrwgrLX7NycCNAtLuLk7x6sJHWDy56
Ukyo.Loan 970 18xXcUQ8vyfty9JPdXSRVCw4pWpcVDr4Db
Ukyo.Loan 749 1Xdc9KwMw6FFWScwZmBK4hUT8fHQGQG6F
Ukyo.Loan 5 14rQrCWatxAzBhFx4UcQc48WF7nSzdU6HZ
Ukyo.Loan 10 13vPRLgoruCAdXnoc8NNKgUwniQ4ZSmSmk
Ukyo.Loan 6 1EHWWPsqdsGeuB5XBx2daAhFUf3KVMfws2
Ukyo.Loan 3 1ALLoneEetLKNYcJhzbLr9xdenMapoEoPo
Ukyo.Loan 725 1A6z4u8yaEbCLv1CfPgU6MZ41CNLcJPaCg
Ukyo.Loan 2,110 1MdPwq8tdu4a3kYjtoBvTGdCUpP1qjpXGo
Ukyo.Loan 33 1nFe55ncihZfYXMH1dPBpSzkuqy9gJSmL
Ukyo.Loan 1,924 12rZ83s4wjur5W4CVTXiJGsSHfXiuPFWn5
Ukyo.Loan 400 13yugH9QA5pX3dqnjGLufQdWVCX3xDAdpC
Ukyo.Loan 208 182TXYGT3NPNJyaqMbH4cGpPc4WSMpXi3t
Ukyo.Loan 3,036 1JgrxkAbiCUnhY7jYJ5Vkiisx4DynNxCD9
Ukyo.Loan 30 14BfrXYcvJduNuiTuvHGjsxYYkPvGAVVwq
Ukyo.Loan 24,746 1HY6G8DiHfBZ7LdpcVcsQfzxf8uFrFKYUE
Ukyo.Loan 4,000 1Ge1N1XmL6jF89S9UULToyecYy46kf7fhV
Ukyo.Loan 180 1QHGPxrFudgx7k1MnVZiDN6uWueeQRagWA
Ukyo.Loan 5 1KKqaYjpaoN1rtmXKsskcWv9ow83aenDYc
Ukyo.Loan 10 18Gq3mWyPhRs7hb9YSfDdpwUmoS5DNXWnM
Ukyo.Loan 450 1CKceVD5diJJe4aJPmk6dCc9HwNjB23Mza
Ukyo.Loan 166 14xGDtokDwywo1NUaoi7xBr2X4qQm7t7LQ
Ukyo.Loan 1,665 1EAy9DXiKYGcshH7eTJd3P2Fs1iK8CTrPH
Ukyo.Loan 389 1MnQrZSQ4mfuwr2P3i2uDp8FoB1bSoo4bC
Ukyo.Loan 132 139i2UHmKW2vhtHiEKKf3qWgnuyYwDL27i
Ukyo.Loan 188 14KZZgaR7zrUYpZpnCTo2NoVW1McrAWDu6
Ukyo.Loan 100 1NnFPNpjF9a4MoCvdUtmTmfyu4AFyhbyAs
Ukyo.Loan 102 12kzxG84KvTdy8zf5u51DqDsK9bx8j43Tk
Ukyo.Loan 1,234 1DLHHuzuB3nwqthDujsHseiZ4iRDhoStPp
Ukyo.Loan 360 1GPkvDnehaTZhEjb9DiSqNLVUwXy2QFiiT
Ukyo.Loan 30 18SaDx67m77Qah4Lt1t5vrwY3SwMoDpqPA
Ukyo.Loan 10 18GFXfrpx2KPUV1vxWvomFqMsmnDMvqWmu
Ukyo.Loan 1 1Lf6CLUqygovkHent2pn1r3MU2MVe7UnGc
Ukyo.Loan 5 1Gsxj5rNTAHHdufqF75tkk5D5dFVSVvR3u
Ukyo.Loan 15 1KXuL99qRhsQDsLL8QweXkxAWkuSpxczut
Ukyo.Loan 3 1DtMF4jown4TEGPKTUqRYjzRqSixzVBTxF
Ukyo.Loan 7,695 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq
Ukyo.Loan 800 1MTYRSbeuNeQmxTmMUs6tPFD1XFebS9vah
Ukyo.Loan 961 1Ga12ci662rFAMazWGNkuT9yf4BfSCEA4R
Ukyo.Loan 461 1LJsgsSSemzKkZ56SC9wRZ1FUASAqPU2VE
Ukyo.Loan 1,646 16oxB9aui7X4DFYJmkGF75Pvz76NiHdgXh
Ukyo.Loan 8 19Ei3TRu6xQRyKfvXC9b4ibGy3fUTPwj5Y
Ukyo.Loan 163 1FALKEDavPSA8phx9rZNYd3N32YdjWgn8A
Ukyo.Loan 300 1AzThCepg5Pf9pJQHMBkH6JpR75xRCb4pT
Ukyo.Loan 2,278 16WXJw9ab2zG4okSqicDKeQ1vFJVPJ1Jkd
Ukyo.Loan 1 1dxtmjFanEcHuFpJ5zJbJf6TcFHDxh4xM
Ukyo.Loan 2 1FJTUC8iG36izauKLhVvAHFvGqKbF7EijQ
Ukyo.Loan 285 1McktXu1X4NrTSurrZK5oq7frvfqGp8UuR
Ukyo.Loan 2,057 1btci44qRvsLtahoyqEfJXXKzhQAFT7Gp
Ukyo.Loan 33 1NXKZLRDMkmsPua593DwV17bxKmwZfZ1Z2
Ukyo.Loan 131 1LkBigXhDf7zrw9wgKZXgibfmtJmB45pVg
Ukyo.Loan 4 1EmrbLDymA6WKHBZfXeA2sXFvp2FrHDmwe
Ukyo.Loan 600 1LXxF8VTeQh6eMDeu7Cc5aT3942mBM652g
Ukyo.Loan 3,200 1AbyfrvNyoEkyT993aPz3x4zajeXp188Wj
Ukyo.Loan 5 1hu3JaGFvWwe7toZ4mN9DPYudi7kiNUac
Ukyo.Loan 40 1DvWi52WspodvcWMvwwqhgYJRWKLGhpNC5
Ukyo.Loan 1,100 1LCN6NyhTcNXpsmY1Lk7meQpQzU4yrGKY1
Ukyo.Loan 1 1CtukaguQJcAxa7RaazZNaSGNDjab6FXJX
Ukyo.Loan 8,955 1FQLUf2cnS5gbEyxhbxEVkURVJ76DJHFej
Ukyo.Loan 70 18LgTs5yuY4Afe3KETLxzZf6kDkGhQRnHJ
Ukyo.Loan 4,000 1MighUVrT8znhm8VUvT2yVJz2Yba1SzTEF
Ukyo.Loan 300 1HnMN8j7PV5tqydxCP42u88wu7nbXUuTgU
Ukyo.Loan 217 1DsUJ6A8URhYaFcxXvx3rjfB56bpQYDEvr
Ukyo.Loan 1,500 1CgnF6z4hvSnDUm1ATpZb1YFWJKZBBMF7e
Ukyo.Loan 12,036 1Hsgn7nXC8bPTm2KGNwyEv7dLEhCWv5s7t
Ukyo.Loan 70 198ZPTXTUHa4AdUPuLDNMzNu8LdQyC9Xgk
Ukyo.Loan 35 1A1YSQzaEHdppiGz71d9kKdKU22BhJ41E9
Ukyo.Loan 735 1MWPSLU5QW5YnwztWxGgspzTMPxiAv8k3A
Ukyo.Loan 448 14GMyJV3g8yqm51oRzYfirE1Jg5qMqkLjz
Ukyo.Loan 80 1LszQwcpyVsHAGaEu3KaTaTo6hp1VgqBCF
Ukyo.Loan 13 1HaKNzqBXA44tV7k7TZRaAuHTfPb6LaXf8
Ukyo.Loan 6,980 1CYxgqk4eHgrDEActFKiD4zztdNKr6u3Gr
Ukyo.Loan 16 1Lsx3c1mXgzSm5rVAKoFaT5Wf7Kmfe6vbJ
Ukyo.Loan 708 1D5s4qkXz5W33URjmrJWoTnujvQyjQjHbC
Ukyo.Loan 1,915 1BSheaYT4yLPGbrVLBTHomds1H6sfkPkCf
Ukyo.Loan 1,500 12sSovogPEPn6SwmTU5omVzpvKNPw9TUdY
Ukyo.Loan 333 18AejeE1Bj8ZfxFXib67FbDnyQMeg4YCaV
Ukyo.Loan 33 18kM8Mff9M8H3hnjHeA4W95kFhHetD9TyN
Ukyo.Loan 7,762 1N2P7f3B1qNm3h6mtFU2CeE6FXGG4fNCnS
Ukyo.Loan 1 1PBN7yhi6JLEa6VV31npGLV2ehrepoYdyR
Ukyo.Loan 2,305 18J8YqsZqnEs9ZXFmsCozbHa4uMxCURP5F
Ukyo.Loan 98 1FwZX8ZUcSYejVZvWrbZ9xdyHarLfWqHsJ
Ukyo.Loan 200 19uVE3VWS9r1JyzN6uUUzCUsWJWBtkg2tx
Ukyo.Loan 100 1Lj4MXfZNuLPE3dtiat6Sb32uFf8oxEjN2
Ukyo.Loan 1,000 1Q1qUfAZTBo6KvWBGXnmqkcsHJXmqjuh12
Ukyo.Loan 46 1BzE13qJKnmUwv5fuRANmy1QjbrkjiRtgX
Ukyo.Loan 42 1FV1dzKhyCzpZZpiaD9rsLkH8qkrmckRU9
Ukyo.Loan 129 1GngL2q2C3zEtqmZDYozj9owqbG8qocAL8
Ukyo.Loan 6,722 1GYZyoeZFBbvY9dak4PVBa5MNNuVNRVLw
Ukyo.Loan 22 1LbBEyqBvBGjju6EKWL6XhrN1ZrrL6BDju
Ukyo.Loan 11,479 1rHfXj4AwH9zymwwJuXnbXLiDbAE9V1uz
Ukyo.Loan 812 1NRi3MXPoPJujKSdknoZPFNewsWp7qnHs
Ukyo.Loan 600 1PAA9WHBJ221eMgRrNHiRrbBiwNw8TwQTe
Ukyo.Loan 1,392 1GwVpRYhX1Vb7vbAjPyVDmLXaPu7PVfJgo
Ukyo.Loan 5,879 1EdK3pLnWTLZ9LXRpZ5nnfcoCMTXWaPabf
Ukyo.Loan 2,746 1BNohMcNtuDtekiN3kpE52Ei5YXN5tViLH
Ukyo.Loan 1,052 196twf3AbUNqGVd2dj9AUP5Fb6KY9kLkit
Ukyo.Loan 474 13t7yBPPStby4qWbUyG4HimoLE97jNvfcG
Ukyo.Loan 3 1CvWk15yRrVQxjPiKuMUK8ikRA85hVHpTu
Ukyo.Loan 1,000 1G4gDC56KPeEXi7CmRZ2yaAD5utnM35No4
Ukyo.Loan 30 1BJqUtzZYLc45PJYTaLxRzX1GPVChQNbGi
Ukyo.Loan 250 1AgaNdx1LqZUfxCheFYwEftTiRb7Zimk5r
Ukyo.Loan 697 1JXZTSGtbAuDMYZ8RibmocBVhVzqmjQBXm
Ukyo.Loan 810 19pUDPc4ZaQ1tSXh9WVhKH4PLNA83ZBRU4

So there is 128 addresses/people in total that have loaned Ukyo money in his loan and we are for example 14 people that have 4000 or more shares, 23 with 2000 or more shares and 36 that have 1000 or more shares.

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Only 5% of them need to be sold at that price to fully cover all of the ACtM debt.
Once that debt is settled the remaining shares or BTC will likely be given to a safe third party for distribution to the victims of Uyko. This is entirely legal and right.
You don't get my point. In a worst case scenario I expect the rest of Ukyo's wealth to be distributed proportionately to us, the debtees. It is not in our interest that one entity gets his isolated cut before.

I suggest to create a new closed thread dedicated to Ukyo.Loan debtees to discuss the resolution constructively. That closed thread should be accessed by Ukyo plus deptees above a significant amount only. I would say a reasonable minimum is 10 BTC? Any opinions on that? I have the impression that everyone wants to have a word in that and the lower the involved amount is, the more non-constructive the words are. Do we have a list of BTC addresses who are involved into Ukyo.Loan?

This sounds like a good idea. Can you set this up?
I think it sounds like a good ide to.

Here is the asset list for Ukyo loan:
Code:
Ukyo.Loan 20 1Bd1b6aMWAwBamevUnExhcYR4F3KzpdQTd
Ukyo.Loan 1 1KrxecCGj1PD458Lfd8xx54KmQm77tXzVA
Ukyo.Loan 105 1DiGXfCS6VoT3wyBkgMeG9STdCTdsCu6Hq
Ukyo.Loan 17,595 1ASJ4PY3UqT11VaEwznTLRnhRZADxKAAMd
Ukyo.Loan 357 1D7TsFBFofQn7ZMQfNHGjsZLrKrvBDbfMq
Ukyo.Loan 19 15QScuqgNzKkrju65fSw6fUSXevGjN7E8m
Ukyo.Loan 62 1B9FuVRbJQBm1RDkrVzQnHbGi6MFmDCh9u
Ukyo.Loan 6 19Ei3TRu6xQRyKfvXC9b4ibGy3fUTPwj5Y
Ukyo.Loan 102 1L4nxiYvuS4tbP9n1gi28J9iUSt22asQYf
Ukyo.Loan 3 1Lyp4Ay8xJWEdEtbNntVKjj8BbH6ALs9a9
Ukyo.Loan 365 1donutMH4L7kdRqh4xvSvesfd3KFu3UNm
Ukyo.Loan 2,166 1CyEbtvE1hTCkayPN6BX6gn7jqhfab8GUT
Ukyo.Loan 4 1Kn78fvoyQeifShQkukVqm11jFV7UYurZE
Ukyo.Loan 7,450 1DLXciNM6Bzi6NF6RTXnYgfiwUvnZsGtSf
Ukyo.Loan 1 1F8wwTDg4JhTKBAPkFF5aJTV6Fgi31nBc9
Ukyo.Loan 5 19MSCX2fcRQUBsGAL1eitBejMXpf7ZpMbU
Ukyo.Loan 100 12PJgCriY6PDXvtYQdsAeCgaqbwSPmshqb
Ukyo.Loan 88 1F9HhHM5YeNyLZnMA6r5F4RAEHdwgQa2hm
Ukyo.Loan 14 19dPnrZXtLqaiihmYXQqFYn7Y1fndZiLF6
Ukyo.Loan 15,000 12PWGTu6EaspuL5uTxxmuXicvATQ8gXjPM
Ukyo.Loan 259 1CwTaRJj2ExsC6tBvdutnMAyJELPAaZdZ3
Ukyo.Loan 730 1N9SW1UqrC4GUDLbLenaznE3LkU3javL1r
Ukyo.Loan 1,501 1DviF5vwPD2Hvn589uXgB8H4Jh5sGZZbs6
Ukyo.Loan 1 1F9xpLoDfuCgsaK7jqQTkVEoU1jgWTh5gY
Ukyo.Loan 2,680 1KDRLrwgrLX7NycCNAtLuLk7x6sJHWDy56
Ukyo.Loan 970 18xXcUQ8vyfty9JPdXSRVCw4pWpcVDr4Db
Ukyo.Loan 749 1Xdc9KwMw6FFWScwZmBK4hUT8fHQGQG6F
Ukyo.Loan 5 14rQrCWatxAzBhFx4UcQc48WF7nSzdU6HZ
Ukyo.Loan 10 13vPRLgoruCAdXnoc8NNKgUwniQ4ZSmSmk
Ukyo.Loan 6 1EHWWPsqdsGeuB5XBx2daAhFUf3KVMfws2
Ukyo.Loan 3 1ALLoneEetLKNYcJhzbLr9xdenMapoEoPo
Ukyo.Loan 725 1A6z4u8yaEbCLv1CfPgU6MZ41CNLcJPaCg
Ukyo.Loan 2,110 1MdPwq8tdu4a3kYjtoBvTGdCUpP1qjpXGo
Ukyo.Loan 33 1nFe55ncihZfYXMH1dPBpSzkuqy9gJSmL
Ukyo.Loan 1,924 12rZ83s4wjur5W4CVTXiJGsSHfXiuPFWn5
Ukyo.Loan 400 13yugH9QA5pX3dqnjGLufQdWVCX3xDAdpC
Ukyo.Loan 208 182TXYGT3NPNJyaqMbH4cGpPc4WSMpXi3t
Ukyo.Loan 3,036 1JgrxkAbiCUnhY7jYJ5Vkiisx4DynNxCD9
Ukyo.Loan 30 14BfrXYcvJduNuiTuvHGjsxYYkPvGAVVwq
Ukyo.Loan 24,746 1HY6G8DiHfBZ7LdpcVcsQfzxf8uFrFKYUE
Ukyo.Loan 4,000 1Ge1N1XmL6jF89S9UULToyecYy46kf7fhV
Ukyo.Loan 180 1QHGPxrFudgx7k1MnVZiDN6uWueeQRagWA
Ukyo.Loan 5 1KKqaYjpaoN1rtmXKsskcWv9ow83aenDYc
Ukyo.Loan 10 18Gq3mWyPhRs7hb9YSfDdpwUmoS5DNXWnM
Ukyo.Loan 450 1CKceVD5diJJe4aJPmk6dCc9HwNjB23Mza
Ukyo.Loan 166 14xGDtokDwywo1NUaoi7xBr2X4qQm7t7LQ
Ukyo.Loan 1,665 1EAy9DXiKYGcshH7eTJd3P2Fs1iK8CTrPH
Ukyo.Loan 389 1MnQrZSQ4mfuwr2P3i2uDp8FoB1bSoo4bC
Ukyo.Loan 132 139i2UHmKW2vhtHiEKKf3qWgnuyYwDL27i
Ukyo.Loan 188 14KZZgaR7zrUYpZpnCTo2NoVW1McrAWDu6
Ukyo.Loan 100 1NnFPNpjF9a4MoCvdUtmTmfyu4AFyhbyAs
Ukyo.Loan 102 12kzxG84KvTdy8zf5u51DqDsK9bx8j43Tk
Ukyo.Loan 1,234 1DLHHuzuB3nwqthDujsHseiZ4iRDhoStPp
Ukyo.Loan 360 1GPkvDnehaTZhEjb9DiSqNLVUwXy2QFiiT
Ukyo.Loan 30 18SaDx67m77Qah4Lt1t5vrwY3SwMoDpqPA
Ukyo.Loan 10 18GFXfrpx2KPUV1vxWvomFqMsmnDMvqWmu
Ukyo.Loan 1 1Lf6CLUqygovkHent2pn1r3MU2MVe7UnGc
Ukyo.Loan 5 1Gsxj5rNTAHHdufqF75tkk5D5dFVSVvR3u
Ukyo.Loan 15 1KXuL99qRhsQDsLL8QweXkxAWkuSpxczut
Ukyo.Loan 3 1DtMF4jown4TEGPKTUqRYjzRqSixzVBTxF
Ukyo.Loan 7,695 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq
Ukyo.Loan 800 1MTYRSbeuNeQmxTmMUs6tPFD1XFebS9vah
Ukyo.Loan 961 1Ga12ci662rFAMazWGNkuT9yf4BfSCEA4R
Ukyo.Loan 461 1LJsgsSSemzKkZ56SC9wRZ1FUASAqPU2VE
Ukyo.Loan 1,646 16oxB9aui7X4DFYJmkGF75Pvz76NiHdgXh
Ukyo.Loan 8 19Ei3TRu6xQRyKfvXC9b4ibGy3fUTPwj5Y
Ukyo.Loan 163 1FALKEDavPSA8phx9rZNYd3N32YdjWgn8A
Ukyo.Loan 300 1AzThCepg5Pf9pJQHMBkH6JpR75xRCb4pT
Ukyo.Loan 2,278 16WXJw9ab2zG4okSqicDKeQ1vFJVPJ1Jkd
Ukyo.Loan 1 1dxtmjFanEcHuFpJ5zJbJf6TcFHDxh4xM
Ukyo.Loan 2 1FJTUC8iG36izauKLhVvAHFvGqKbF7EijQ
Ukyo.Loan 285 1McktXu1X4NrTSurrZK5oq7frvfqGp8UuR
Ukyo.Loan 2,057 1btci44qRvsLtahoyqEfJXXKzhQAFT7Gp
Ukyo.Loan 33 1NXKZLRDMkmsPua593DwV17bxKmwZfZ1Z2
Ukyo.Loan 131 1LkBigXhDf7zrw9wgKZXgibfmtJmB45pVg
Ukyo.Loan 4 1EmrbLDymA6WKHBZfXeA2sXFvp2FrHDmwe
Ukyo.Loan 600 1LXxF8VTeQh6eMDeu7Cc5aT3942mBM652g
Ukyo.Loan 3,200 1AbyfrvNyoEkyT993aPz3x4zajeXp188Wj
Ukyo.Loan 5 1hu3JaGFvWwe7toZ4mN9DPYudi7kiNUac
Ukyo.Loan 40 1DvWi52WspodvcWMvwwqhgYJRWKLGhpNC5
Ukyo.Loan 1,100 1LCN6NyhTcNXpsmY1Lk7meQpQzU4yrGKY1
Ukyo.Loan 1 1CtukaguQJcAxa7RaazZNaSGNDjab6FXJX
Ukyo.Loan 8,955 1FQLUf2cnS5gbEyxhbxEVkURVJ76DJHFej
Ukyo.Loan 70 18LgTs5yuY4Afe3KETLxzZf6kDkGhQRnHJ
Ukyo.Loan 4,000 1MighUVrT8znhm8VUvT2yVJz2Yba1SzTEF
Ukyo.Loan 300 1HnMN8j7PV5tqydxCP42u88wu7nbXUuTgU
Ukyo.Loan 217 1DsUJ6A8URhYaFcxXvx3rjfB56bpQYDEvr
Ukyo.Loan 1,500 1CgnF6z4hvSnDUm1ATpZb1YFWJKZBBMF7e
Ukyo.Loan 12,036 1Hsgn7nXC8bPTm2KGNwyEv7dLEhCWv5s7t
Ukyo.Loan 70 198ZPTXTUHa4AdUPuLDNMzNu8LdQyC9Xgk
Ukyo.Loan 35 1A1YSQzaEHdppiGz71d9kKdKU22BhJ41E9
Ukyo.Loan 735 1MWPSLU5QW5YnwztWxGgspzTMPxiAv8k3A
Ukyo.Loan 448 14GMyJV3g8yqm51oRzYfirE1Jg5qMqkLjz
Ukyo.Loan 80 1LszQwcpyVsHAGaEu3KaTaTo6hp1VgqBCF
Ukyo.Loan 13 1HaKNzqBXA44tV7k7TZRaAuHTfPb6LaXf8
Ukyo.Loan 6,980 1CYxgqk4eHgrDEActFKiD4zztdNKr6u3Gr
Ukyo.Loan 16 1Lsx3c1mXgzSm5rVAKoFaT5Wf7Kmfe6vbJ
Ukyo.Loan 708 1D5s4qkXz5W33URjmrJWoTnujvQyjQjHbC
Ukyo.Loan 1,915 1BSheaYT4yLPGbrVLBTHomds1H6sfkPkCf
Ukyo.Loan 1,500 12sSovogPEPn6SwmTU5omVzpvKNPw9TUdY
Ukyo.Loan 333 18AejeE1Bj8ZfxFXib67FbDnyQMeg4YCaV
Ukyo.Loan 33 18kM8Mff9M8H3hnjHeA4W95kFhHetD9TyN
Ukyo.Loan 7,762 1N2P7f3B1qNm3h6mtFU2CeE6FXGG4fNCnS
Ukyo.Loan 1 1PBN7yhi6JLEa6VV31npGLV2ehrepoYdyR
Ukyo.Loan 2,305 18J8YqsZqnEs9ZXFmsCozbHa4uMxCURP5F
Ukyo.Loan 98 1FwZX8ZUcSYejVZvWrbZ9xdyHarLfWqHsJ
Ukyo.Loan 200 19uVE3VWS9r1JyzN6uUUzCUsWJWBtkg2tx
Ukyo.Loan 100 1Lj4MXfZNuLPE3dtiat6Sb32uFf8oxEjN2
Ukyo.Loan 1,000 1Q1qUfAZTBo6KvWBGXnmqkcsHJXmqjuh12
Ukyo.Loan 46 1BzE13qJKnmUwv5fuRANmy1QjbrkjiRtgX
Ukyo.Loan 42 1FV1dzKhyCzpZZpiaD9rsLkH8qkrmckRU9
Ukyo.Loan 129 1GngL2q2C3zEtqmZDYozj9owqbG8qocAL8
Ukyo.Loan 6,722 1GYZyoeZFBbvY9dak4PVBa5MNNuVNRVLw
Ukyo.Loan 22 1LbBEyqBvBGjju6EKWL6XhrN1ZrrL6BDju
Ukyo.Loan 11,479 1rHfXj4AwH9zymwwJuXnbXLiDbAE9V1uz
Ukyo.Loan 812 1NRi3MXPoPJujKSdknoZPFNewsWp7qnHs
Ukyo.Loan 600 1PAA9WHBJ221eMgRrNHiRrbBiwNw8TwQTe
Ukyo.Loan 1,392 1GwVpRYhX1Vb7vbAjPyVDmLXaPu7PVfJgo
Ukyo.Loan 5,879 1EdK3pLnWTLZ9LXRpZ5nnfcoCMTXWaPabf
Ukyo.Loan 2,746 1BNohMcNtuDtekiN3kpE52Ei5YXN5tViLH
Ukyo.Loan 1,052 196twf3AbUNqGVd2dj9AUP5Fb6KY9kLkit
Ukyo.Loan 474 13t7yBPPStby4qWbUyG4HimoLE97jNvfcG
Ukyo.Loan 3 1CvWk15yRrVQxjPiKuMUK8ikRA85hVHpTu
Ukyo.Loan 1,000 1G4gDC56KPeEXi7CmRZ2yaAD5utnM35No4
Ukyo.Loan 30 1BJqUtzZYLc45PJYTaLxRzX1GPVChQNbGi
Ukyo.Loan 250 1AgaNdx1LqZUfxCheFYwEftTiRb7Zimk5r
Ukyo.Loan 697 1JXZTSGtbAuDMYZ8RibmocBVhVzqmjQBXm
Ukyo.Loan 810 19pUDPc4ZaQ1tSXh9WVhKH4PLNA83ZBRU4

So there is 128 addresses/people in total that have loaned Ukyo money in his loan and we are for example 14 people that have 4000 or more shares, 23 with 2000 or more shares and 36 that have 1000 or more shares.



I suggest including the Graet.Loan people in this discussion if it will happen as the groups likely overlap.

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March 08, 2014, 03:09:09 AM
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I suggest to create a new closed thread dedicated to Ukyo.Loan debtees to discuss the resolution constructively. That closed thread should be accessed by Ukyo plus deptees above a significant amount only. I would say a reasonable minimum is 10 BTC?

This sounds like a good idea. Can you set this up?
I'm more than happy to do that (although I started to enjoy the "ignore" function in this thread).

A threshold of 10BTC was just a random suggestion without knowing the affected addresses. So ~10BTC would qualify 36 addresses. Is this acceptable? I'm just so bored of some non-constructive disrupting entities.

I suggest including the Graet.Loan people in this discussion if it will happen as the groups likely overlap.
I would suggest to stick with those 36 people (?) for the beginning and concentrate on a constructive process between Ukyo and its Ukyo.Loan debtees. No WeEx and no Graet.Loan. We can of course discuss the inclusion of more people in that thread.
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March 08, 2014, 04:31:40 AM
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I suggest to create a new closed thread dedicated to Ukyo.Loan debtees to discuss the resolution constructively. That closed thread should be accessed by Ukyo plus deptees above a significant amount only. I would say a reasonable minimum is 10 BTC?

This sounds like a good idea. Can you set this up?
I'm more than happy to do that (although I started to enjoy the "ignore" function in this thread).

A threshold of 10BTC was just a random suggestion without knowing the affected addresses. So ~10BTC would qualify 36 addresses. Is this acceptable? I'm just so bored of some non-constructive disrupting entities.

I suggest including the Graet.Loan people in this discussion if it will happen as the groups likely overlap.
I would suggest to stick with those 36 people (?) for the beginning and concentrate on a constructive process between Ukyo and its Ukyo.Loan debtees. No WeEx and no Graet.Loan. We can of course discuss the inclusion of more people in that thread.

No one bondholder is more important than the rest, regardless of size of debt. In any distribution, it would be proportional. IMO, the bets course of action is to get Ukyo to liquidate assets to pay bondholders, since this is what he used it for anyway. Assets may include bitcoin-denominated stocks, rights to ownership of invested projects, etc.
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No one bondholder is more important than the rest, regardless of size of debt.
No one questions this. And this is also one motivation of becoming active. Entities are getting their part of the pie before the rest (I refer to that Activemining situation).

There are people involved with >100BTC in Ukyo.Loan. Considering the available information, sitting around and waiting seems to me no more viable. We all have the same interest in this story. It seems to me natural to aggregate resources and come together (with Ukyo) in a constructive discussion to a viable solution.

A thread where people are repeating non constructive accusations, verbal harassments and even personal threats (or was it the WeEx thread… I might mix them up) is no space for a constructive discussion with Ukyo. Going into a closed thread with a reasonable threshold seemed to me a attempt to find a progressing solution. Again: Nobody will put their interests above others! It's just about making progress. At the end everybody will be treated equally. I just want to find together a reasonable strategy for this story.

If you have a better solution I'm more than happy to learn about it. I'm so sorry but I came to a part where just sitting around and waiting with no information is no more viable for me.
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No one bondholder is more important than the rest, regardless of size of debt.
No one questions this. And this is also one motivation of becoming active. Entities are getting their part of the pie before the rest (I refer to that Activemining situation).

There are people involved with >100BTC in Ukyo.Loan. Considering the available information, sitting around and waiting seems to me no more viable. We all have the same interest in this story. It seems to me natural to aggregate resources and come together (with Ukyo) in a constructive discussion to a viable solution.

A thread where people are repeating non constructive accusations, verbal harassments and even personal threats (or was it the WeEx thread… I might mix them up) is no space for a constructive discussion with Ukyo. Going into a closed thread with a reasonable threshold seemed to me a attempt to find a progressing solution. Again: Nobody will put their interests above others! It's just about making progress. At the end everybody will be treated equally. I just want to find together a reasonable strategy for this story.

If you have a better solution I'm more than happy to learn about it. I'm so sorry but I came to a part where just sitting around and waiting with no information is no more viable for me.

Proportional hits are a standard.  Whatever is done, make sure it is constructive.

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Sorted the list after number of shares, so it's easier to look at, think i got it right.

Code:
Ukyo.Loan 24746 1HY6G8DiHfBZ7LdpcVcsQfzxf8uFrFKYUE
Ukyo.Loan 17595 1ASJ4PY3UqT11VaEwznTLRnhRZADxKAAMd
Ukyo.Loan 15000 12PWGTu6EaspuL5uTxxmuXicvATQ8gXjPM
Ukyo.Loan 12036 1Hsgn7nXC8bPTm2KGNwyEv7dLEhCWv5s7t
Ukyo.Loan 11479 1rHfXj4AwH9zymwwJuXnbXLiDbAE9V1uz
Ukyo.Loan 8955 1FQLUf2cnS5gbEyxhbxEVkURVJ76DJHFej
Ukyo.Loan 7762 1N2P7f3B1qNm3h6mtFU2CeE6FXGG4fNCnS
Ukyo.Loan 7695 1Mn65Q9Xm6NBoPdF8ppS3AzgRLt92ZKtTq
Ukyo.Loan 7450 1DLXciNM6Bzi6NF6RTXnYgfiwUvnZsGtSf
Ukyo.Loan 6980 1CYxgqk4eHgrDEActFKiD4zztdNKr6u3Gr
Ukyo.Loan 6722 1GYZyoeZFBbvY9dak4PVBa5MNNuVNRVLw
Ukyo.Loan 5879 1EdK3pLnWTLZ9LXRpZ5nnfcoCMTXWaPabf
Ukyo.Loan 4000 1Ge1N1XmL6jF89S9UULToyecYy46kf7fhV
Ukyo.Loan 4000 1MighUVrT8znhm8VUvT2yVJz2Yba1SzTEF
Ukyo.Loan 3200 1AbyfrvNyoEkyT993aPz3x4zajeXp188Wj
Ukyo.Loan 3036 1JgrxkAbiCUnhY7jYJ5Vkiisx4DynNxCD9
Ukyo.Loan 2746 1BNohMcNtuDtekiN3kpE52Ei5YXN5tViLH
Ukyo.Loan 2680 1KDRLrwgrLX7NycCNAtLuLk7x6sJHWDy56
Ukyo.Loan 2305 18J8YqsZqnEs9ZXFmsCozbHa4uMxCURP5F
Ukyo.Loan 2278 16WXJw9ab2zG4okSqicDKeQ1vFJVPJ1Jkd
Ukyo.Loan 2166 1CyEbtvE1hTCkayPN6BX6gn7jqhfab8GUT
Ukyo.Loan 2110 1MdPwq8tdu4a3kYjtoBvTGdCUpP1qjpXGo
Ukyo.Loan 2057 1btci44qRvsLtahoyqEfJXXKzhQAFT7Gp
Ukyo.Loan 1924 12rZ83s4wjur5W4CVTXiJGsSHfXiuPFWn5
Ukyo.Loan 1915 1BSheaYT4yLPGbrVLBTHomds1H6sfkPkCf
Ukyo.Loan 1665 1EAy9DXiKYGcshH7eTJd3P2Fs1iK8CTrPH
Ukyo.Loan 1646 16oxB9aui7X4DFYJmkGF75Pvz76NiHdgXh
Ukyo.Loan 1501 1DviF5vwPD2Hvn589uXgB8H4Jh5sGZZbs6
Ukyo.Loan 1500 12sSovogPEPn6SwmTU5omVzpvKNPw9TUdY
Ukyo.Loan 1500 1CgnF6z4hvSnDUm1ATpZb1YFWJKZBBMF7e
Ukyo.Loan 1392 1GwVpRYhX1Vb7vbAjPyVDmLXaPu7PVfJgo
Ukyo.Loan 1234 1DLHHuzuB3nwqthDujsHseiZ4iRDhoStPp
Ukyo.Loan 1100 1LCN6NyhTcNXpsmY1Lk7meQpQzU4yrGKY1
Ukyo.Loan 1052 196twf3AbUNqGVd2dj9AUP5Fb6KY9kLkit
Ukyo.Loan 1000 1Q1qUfAZTBo6KvWBGXnmqkcsHJXmqjuh12
Ukyo.Loan 1000 1G4gDC56KPeEXi7CmRZ2yaAD5utnM35No4
Ukyo.Loan 970 18xXcUQ8vyfty9JPdXSRVCw4pWpcVDr4Db
Ukyo.Loan 961 1Ga12ci662rFAMazWGNkuT9yf4BfSCEA4R
Ukyo.Loan 812 1NRi3MXPoPJujKSdknoZPFNewsWp7qnHs
Ukyo.Loan 810 19pUDPc4ZaQ1tSXh9WVhKH4PLNA83ZBRU4
Ukyo.Loan 800 1MTYRSbeuNeQmxTmMUs6tPFD1XFebS9vah
Ukyo.Loan 749 1Xdc9KwMw6FFWScwZmBK4hUT8fHQGQG6F
Ukyo.Loan 735 1MWPSLU5QW5YnwztWxGgspzTMPxiAv8k3A
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Ukyo.Loan 725 1A6z4u8yaEbCLv1CfPgU6MZ41CNLcJPaCg
Ukyo.Loan 708 1D5s4qkXz5W33URjmrJWoTnujvQyjQjHbC
Ukyo.Loan 697 1JXZTSGtbAuDMYZ8RibmocBVhVzqmjQBXm
Ukyo.Loan 600 1LXxF8VTeQh6eMDeu7Cc5aT3942mBM652g
Ukyo.Loan 600 1PAA9WHBJ221eMgRrNHiRrbBiwNw8TwQTe
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Ukyo.Loan 448 14GMyJV3g8yqm51oRzYfirE1Jg5qMqkLjz
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Ukyo.Loan 365 1donutMH4L7kdRqh4xvSvesfd3KFu3UNm
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Ukyo.Loan 357 1D7TsFBFofQn7ZMQfNHGjsZLrKrvBDbfMq
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Ukyo.Loan 300 1AzThCepg5Pf9pJQHMBkH6JpR75xRCb4pT
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Ukyo.Loan 188 14KZZgaR7zrUYpZpnCTo2NoVW1McrAWDu6
Ukyo.Loan 180 1QHGPxrFudgx7k1MnVZiDN6uWueeQRagWA
Ukyo.Loan 166 14xGDtokDwywo1NUaoi7xBr2X4qQm7t7LQ
Ukyo.Loan 163 1FALKEDavPSA8phx9rZNYd3N32YdjWgn8A
Ukyo.Loan 132 139i2UHmKW2vhtHiEKKf3qWgnuyYwDL27i
Ukyo.Loan 131 1LkBigXhDf7zrw9wgKZXgibfmtJmB45pVg
Ukyo.Loan 129 1GngL2q2C3zEtqmZDYozj9owqbG8qocAL8
Ukyo.Loan 105 1DiGXfCS6VoT3wyBkgMeG9STdCTdsCu6Hq
Ukyo.Loan 102 12kzxG84KvTdy8zf5u51DqDsK9bx8j43Tk
Ukyo.Loan 102 1L4nxiYvuS4tbP9n1gi28J9iUSt22asQYf
Ukyo.Loan 100 12PJgCriY6PDXvtYQdsAeCgaqbwSPmshqb
Ukyo.Loan 100 1Lj4MXfZNuLPE3dtiat6Sb32uFf8oxEjN2
Ukyo.Loan 100 1NnFPNpjF9a4MoCvdUtmTmfyu4AFyhbyAs
Ukyo.Loan 98 1FwZX8ZUcSYejVZvWrbZ9xdyHarLfWqHsJ
Ukyo.Loan 88 1F9HhHM5YeNyLZnMA6r5F4RAEHdwgQa2hm
Ukyo.Loan 80 1LszQwcpyVsHAGaEu3KaTaTo6hp1VgqBCF
Ukyo.Loan 70 18LgTs5yuY4Afe3KETLxzZf6kDkGhQRnHJ
Ukyo.Loan 70 198ZPTXTUHa4AdUPuLDNMzNu8LdQyC9Xgk
Ukyo.Loan 62 1B9FuVRbJQBm1RDkrVzQnHbGi6MFmDCh9u
Ukyo.Loan 46 1BzE13qJKnmUwv5fuRANmy1QjbrkjiRtgX
Ukyo.Loan 42 1FV1dzKhyCzpZZpiaD9rsLkH8qkrmckRU9
Ukyo.Loan 40 1DvWi52WspodvcWMvwwqhgYJRWKLGhpNC5
Ukyo.Loan 35 1A1YSQzaEHdppiGz71d9kKdKU22BhJ41E9
Ukyo.Loan 33 18kM8Mff9M8H3hnjHeA4W95kFhHetD9TyN
Ukyo.Loan 33 1nFe55ncihZfYXMH1dPBpSzkuqy9gJSmL
Ukyo.Loan 33 1NXKZLRDMkmsPua593DwV17bxKmwZfZ1Z2
Ukyo.Loan 30 14BfrXYcvJduNuiTuvHGjsxYYkPvGAVVwq
Ukyo.Loan 30 18SaDx67m77Qah4Lt1t5vrwY3SwMoDpqPA
Ukyo.Loan 30 1BJqUtzZYLc45PJYTaLxRzX1GPVChQNbGi
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Ukyo.Loan 16 1Lsx3c1mXgzSm5rVAKoFaT5Wf7Kmfe6vbJ
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Ukyo.Loan 13 1HaKNzqBXA44tV7k7TZRaAuHTfPb6LaXf8
Ukyo.Loan 10 13vPRLgoruCAdXnoc8NNKgUwniQ4ZSmSmk
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Ukyo.Loan 8 19Ei3TRu6xQRyKfvXC9b4ibGy3fUTPwj5Y
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Ukyo.Loan 5 1Gsxj5rNTAHHdufqF75tkk5D5dFVSVvR3u
Ukyo.Loan 5 1hu3JaGFvWwe7toZ4mN9DPYudi7kiNUac
Ukyo.Loan 5 1KKqaYjpaoN1rtmXKsskcWv9ow83aenDYc
Ukyo.Loan 4 1EmrbLDymA6WKHBZfXeA2sXFvp2FrHDmwe
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Even though I only own about 400 shares I think this is a really good idea. I can understand that Ukyo doesn't want to post here with all the trolls around. So we should try to establish a reasonable discussion and this is a good way to do so!
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March 09, 2014, 01:50:41 PM
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Even though I only own about 400 shares I think this is a really good idea. I can understand that Ukyo doesn't want to post here with all the trolls around. So we should try to establish a reasonable discussion and this is a good way to do so!

I'm a large holder, a new thread is useless. Just say/do what you have to say/do.

No trolls matter unless you let them matter. Stop distracting yourselves with it.

I gave my suggestions, has anyone approached Ukyo about liquidating assets? Has anyone researched what assets he held on Bitfunder, etc? I know he owns stocks in several ongoing concerns.

Ukyo, will you answer this? Can you liquidate your crypto-stocks to make a proportional buyback and dividend payout to ukyo.loan holders? Do you need help with liquidation?
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Even though I only own about 400 shares I think this is a really good idea. I can understand that Ukyo doesn't want to post here with all the trolls around. So we should try to establish a reasonable discussion and this is a good way to do so!

I'm a large holder, a new thread is useless. Just say/do what you have to say/do.

No trolls matter unless you let them matter. Stop distracting yourselves with it.

I gave my suggestions, has anyone approached Ukyo about liquidating assets? Has anyone researched what assets he held on Bitfunder, etc? I know he owns stocks in several ongoing concerns.

Ukyo, will you answer this? Can you liquidate your crypto-stocks to make a proportional buyback and dividend payout to ukyo.loan holders? Do you need help with liquidation?
I haven't checked exactly what Ukyo had for assets on Bitfuder before today, did he have several account or only one ?
Did he have large private investments in stocks off the official books like some thought in another thread where they tried to trace transactions from bitfunder, 5000 btc or something i think it was they mentioned sent to one asset that was listed on Bitfunder ?

From what i can see based on last prices (in the case of prices that is from bitfunder on stocks that haven't relisted on other exchanges many of those stocks prices were pressed down a lot in price at the time), then in the account i think one can tie to him he had assets/shares valued in the region of 1500 btc based on that but some of the assets might be problematic to liquidate fast and other he may have to go the legal way to get what is his like in the Activeminer case where Ken slaghter illegally dumped/force sold Ukyo shares, at least he claimed it was ukyo shares he sold.

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March 09, 2014, 11:42:13 PM
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I have been presented with an interesting opportunity that I would prefer to not sell off other investments for.

At the time he claimed to be working to get the necessary state-level MSB licensing and was preparing to have WeExchange take over the USD side of Mt Gox's businesses.

I am sure that this is the reason why he needed the loan.
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March 10, 2014, 01:47:26 AM
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guys, i need ukyo's company registration paper ...because I am going to find a lawyer to get back our BTC back. if anyone knows ,please share it with me ,thanks !!!

Or by costing him legal fees you will ruin us all.

How long do you plan to wait before you would consider that your money has been stolen. It has been about 3  months. So what then, wait another 3 months? 6? A year even?Would you even then, after a year, start to suspect your money was stolen? All the indicators point to this being the case, good luck with Jon coming back in the future and returning your money  Undecided

It's a tough choice. He claims he has the money invested in new business ventures and that those investments should eventually return a profit allowing him to pay back the loan. Unfortunately he won't tell us what these ventures are or what their status is.

Since he has owned or ran several businesses in his life, he likely has some assets. If you sue him and he declares bankruptcy as a result, you won't get his house. The courts will likely let him keep that. But you may get something. After the lawyers take their giant share though. Before you do that, you should get a good idea of what his assets are.

I think I am still ukyo's biggest creditor, and I'm one of many. Ukyo's total liabilities are estimated at $2-$3 million between ukyo.loan and bitfunder. I'm getting a bit frustrated too. The well over hundred thousand that ukyo owes me would definitely make it worth my time to get the best lawyer I could find if I decide to go that route. Whatever you do, make sure you've thought it out very clearly first. You might end up costing yourself more money that you get out of it.
Do you want to join me with this ?the total liabilities from u and me  is around 40k USD, and the legal cost for two of us should be the same as only one .  it is worth to give a try, I think stay and waiting here would be useless.  what you think?

I would, but I haven't decided definitely to go that route yet. I sent a message to ukyo a few days ago and I'm going to give him a chance to respond first.
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I would give him more time thought, the cost and time I spend to Dallas isn't cheap , but Ukyo never reply My message, I do not know about u ?did he reply to u ?
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March 10, 2014, 08:53:26 PM
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guys, i need ukyo's company registration paper ...because I am going to find a lawyer to get back our BTC back. if anyone knows ,please share it with me ,thanks !!!

Or by costing him legal fees you will ruin us all.

How long do you plan to wait before you would consider that your money has been stolen. It has been about 3  months. So what then, wait another 3 months? 6? A year even?Would you even then, after a year, start to suspect your money was stolen? All the indicators point to this being the case, good luck with Jon coming back in the future and returning your money  Undecided

It's a tough choice. He claims he has the money invested in new business ventures and that those investments should eventually return a profit allowing him to pay back the loan. Unfortunately he won't tell us what these ventures are or what their status is.

Since he has owned or ran several businesses in his life, he likely has some assets. If you sue him and he declares bankruptcy as a result, you won't get his house. The courts will likely let him keep that. But you may get something. After the lawyers take their giant share though. Before you do that, you should get a good idea of what his assets are.

I think I am still ukyo's biggest creditor, and I'm one of many. Ukyo's total liabilities are estimated at $2-$3 million between ukyo.loan and bitfunder. I'm getting a bit frustrated too. The well over hundred thousand that ukyo owes me would definitely make it worth my time to get the best lawyer I could find if I decide to go that route. Whatever you do, make sure you've thought it out very clearly first. You might end up costing yourself more money that you get out of it.
Do you want to join me with this ?the total liabilities from u and me  is around 40k USD, and the legal cost for two of us should be the same as only one .  it is worth to give a try, I think stay and waiting here would be useless.  what you think?

I would, but I haven't decided definitely to go that route yet. I sent a message to ukyo a few days ago and I'm going to give him a chance to respond first.
Dear Mgio:
I would give him more time thought, the cost and time I spend to Dallas isn't cheap , but Ukyo never reply My message, I do not know about u ?did he reply to u ?

The last I heard from him was at the end of January. That was before the MtGox collapse. If his new business venture was taking over business for MtGox in the US, then that is all lost now. In that case, the only thing left to do would be to contact our lawyers and force him to liquidate his remaining assets to pay off the loan. There is a possibility that his business ventures were not tied to MtGox, but until I hear from him otherwise, I'm going to assume that that isn't the case. I messaged him about two weeks ago and I haven't heard anything back yet. I'll give him another week or two. I'm sure he is really busy but he should at least be able to spend the time keeping in contact with his creditors. The total value of ukyo.loan is still well over a million dollars.
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March 10, 2014, 09:30:01 PM
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I have been presented with an interesting opportunity that I would prefer to not sell off other investments for.

At the time he claimed to be working to get the necessary state-level MSB licensing and was preparing to have WeExchange take over the USD side of Mt Gox's businesses.

I am sure that this is the reason why he needed the loan.
I doubt that was the case, then they should have been able to start up with those states that don't need licensing much faster and the cost/timeframe for the remaining 43 states don't seem to match the loan size or time frame passed with what cryptsy and btcquick mentioned about the licensing subject.
But maby the ide with such possible project on weexchange is only to present the project when there already registered in all states and when they could work on the whole USA market. If that was the thought to act as a payment gateway to the FIAT/USD market in the USA then other actors in the btcsector than the now defunct mtgox could benefit from that in the future.

If there actually is such thing in the process then there's a huge trust issue for weexchange/Ukyo to work on now after how things have been handled the last couple of months.

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guys, i need ukyo's company registration paper ...because I am going to find a lawyer to get back our BTC back. if anyone knows ,please share it with me ,thanks !!!

Or by costing him legal fees you will ruin us all.

How long do you plan to wait before you would consider that your money has been stolen. It has been about 3  months. So what then, wait another 3 months? 6? A year even?Would you even then, after a year, start to suspect your money was stolen? All the indicators point to this being the case, good luck with Jon coming back in the future and returning your money  Undecided

It's a tough choice. He claims he has the money invested in new business ventures and that those investments should eventually return a profit allowing him to pay back the loan. Unfortunately he won't tell us what these ventures are or what their status is.

Since he has owned or ran several businesses in his life, he likely has some assets. If you sue him and he declares bankruptcy as a result, you won't get his house. The courts will likely let him keep that. But you may get something. After the lawyers take their giant share though. Before you do that, you should get a good idea of what his assets are.

I think I am still ukyo's biggest creditor, and I'm one of many. Ukyo's total liabilities are estimated at $2-$3 million between ukyo.loan and bitfunder. I'm getting a bit frustrated too. The well over hundred thousand that ukyo owes me would definitely make it worth my time to get the best lawyer I could find if I decide to go that route. Whatever you do, make sure you've thought it out very clearly first. You might end up costing yourself more money that you get out of it.
Do you want to join me with this ?the total liabilities from u and me  is around 40k USD, and the legal cost for two of us should be the same as only one .  it is worth to give a try, I think stay and waiting here would be useless.  what you think?

I would, but I haven't decided definitely to go that route yet. I sent a message to ukyo a few days ago and I'm going to give him a chance to respond first.
Dear Mgio:
I would give him more time thought, the cost and time I spend to Dallas isn't cheap , but Ukyo never reply My message, I do not know about u ?did he reply to u ?

The last I heard from him was at the end of January. That was before the MtGox collapse. If his new business venture was taking over business for MtGox in the US, then that is all lost now. In that case, the only thing left to do would be to contact our lawyers and force him to liquidate his remaining assets to pay off the loan. There is a possibility that his business ventures were not tied to MtGox, but until I hear from him otherwise, I'm going to assume that that isn't the case. I messaged him about two weeks ago and I haven't heard anything back yet. I'll give him another week or two. I'm sure he is really busy but he should at least be able to spend the time keeping in contact with his creditors. The total value of ukyo.loan is still well over a million dollars.

I am going fly to Dallas this sunday, I have contact with a attorney already, I made a pointment with him by monday morning, Hope I can get some wise suggestion from him.

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March 13, 2014, 09:14:50 AM
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I have been presented with an interesting opportunity that I would prefer to not sell off other investments for.

At the time he claimed to be working to get the necessary state-level MSB licensing and was preparing to have WeExchange take over the USD side of Mt Gox's businesses.

I am sure that this is the reason why he needed the loan.
I doubt that was the case, then they should have been able to start up with those states that don't need licensing much faster and the cost/timeframe for the remaining 43 states don't seem to match the loan size or time frame passed with what cryptsy and btcquick mentioned about the licensing subject.
But maby the ide with such possible project on weexchange is only to present the project when there already registered in all states and when they could work on the whole USA market. If that was the thought to act as a payment gateway to the FIAT/USD market in the USA then other actors in the btcsector than the now defunct mtgox could benefit from that in the future.

If there actually is such thing in the process then there's a huge trust issue for weexchange/Ukyo to work on now after how things have been handled the last couple of months.
Ukyo did have an intention to integrate with Gox around last summer. I was shown a mock-up of the integration page by Ukyo back then. But that project seemed to just die, with the Bitfunder problems starting a few months later, so not sure if there is a link there or not. However, i do believe it inconceivable that Ukyo did not have funds on Gox.
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March 13, 2014, 10:34:17 PM
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Whats the amount of bitcoins owed for ukyo loan? Did the loan run under ukyo personally alone or was a company involved? And do you think that the stock-like thing of selling shares will have an impact legally?

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March 13, 2014, 10:37:40 PM
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Whats the amount of bitcoins owed for ukyo loan? Did the loan run under ukyo personally alone or was a company involved? And do you think that the stock-like thing of selling shares will have an impact legally?

I believe it's 2000btc.
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March 13, 2014, 10:48:54 PM
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Whats the amount of bitcoins owed for ukyo loan? Did the loan run under ukyo personally alone or was a company involved? And do you think that the stock-like thing of selling shares will have an impact legally?

I believe it's 2000btc.

Ah... not bad... together with the 6k from weexchange its a big amount.

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