[BitFunder] Ukyo.Loan - Paying 0.05% daily.

[NotLambchop]

... Especially its not a problem when you can go bankrupt personally. Then the family would be plain stupid to put money into it.

You know what else is plain stupid?  Expecting restitution from a d00d who threatens to declare bankruptcy when asked to repay the money he owes you.

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So you compare me to someone that found a hyip the first time.   I guess your world is just black and white.

Ukyo has made a lot of promises. I've talked to him here and there about his plans for the ukyo.loan funds.

Like others, he has told me he is working on a big project but I know even less about it that other posters here seem to.

He has said he would be posting here soon with a status update. I can understand why he avoids these boards, but we, as creditors, need something.

The big question is how long are we willing to wait?

At some point his biggest creditors are going to sue him forcing him to pay up what he can and declare bankruptcy to get rid of the rest.

I hope it doesn't come to that, but it really is a question of how patient are we willing to be.

Does ukyo really have a big project that will enable him to pay off the debt by the end of the year (as he has claimed) or is he simply living off of all our bitcoins?

Personally, I think we deserve more information from him. I have had an awful hard time contacting him recently and have a lawyer on retainer if it seems like he has abandoned us. I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but I am about to start the legal process in the meantime as he his lack of communication is leaving me no other choice.

FWIW, ukyo owes me >250 btc presently. I might be his biggest creditor. I'm not entirely sure.

Ukyo loan and weex are two different things. Sueing for ukyo loan would be pretty easy because you would need to sue him personally and you would be successfull most probably. The question would be the outcome of it. Chances are you win but get practically nothing.

A different thing is weex. I hope no one tries to sue weex now. Besides the slim chances of winning and getting something back... if the bankruptcy of weex company really means my chances to get my original coins back vanish... im not sure what i do with this "smart person". Of course all on the assumption ukyo told the truth. The problem seems to be... once we know what happened... either the coins are back or the coins cant never be retrieved. And the chances for the original coins look not so bad... only time is needed.

I didnt lose as much coins as you but like i wrote, i once let my lawyer sent him and graet a letter demanding informations. After that i got some longer talks on irc so i at least could get a feeling about what happens.

Well i guess rules is different in different countrys, if he had lived in some countrys he would have ended up having to pay for the rest of his life if he had depts he couldent pay. Around a million usd isent that mush, many people can get loans for such amount with or without security in many countrys around the world, i dont know exactly how ukyos econimical situation is, maby hes not in the possition to get such relatively large loan. and the family part that was just mean as they could go in and help securing his loan if the bank wouldent allow him a big enouth loan without extra security in the form of people that would be legally bound to cover up for him if he cant fully pay the loan to the bank back alone.

At least in my country the banks are very very cautious if they would get their money back. They would never give out a million usd without giving security in exchange. So the family would have to risk their houses or similar things. I never could imagine that someone would do this without pressure. If one gets indebted then its his fault and he has to take responsibility. Especially its not a problem when you can go bankrupt personally. Then the family would be plain stupid to put money into it.

For many young people for example it can be problematic to get a loan for buying there first house or appartment, its very common here in Sweden that parents have to step in as security on a loan there kids take to get there house when we talk about slightly larger loans in a few hundred thoused to a few million usd equivalent, the banks may not accept just the house and the incomes from the younger person as security as houseprices can go down and future incomes may be uncertain.
On the other hand people can get big loans in blanco or at the very least with for example a house as security if they have a long and good credit record and have incomes that is good, maby its due to better pay back rates and the fact that its easier for banks to garantee that they get there money back here one way or another if something would go wrong, as people cant just declaire bancrupcy and think they can walk away from there depts here, it may be possible under very extreme conditions nowadays to do so after many years if its totally impossible for the person to work there dept down, but it wasent that long ago that it was impossible for someone to even go that route and have depts written down in such way.

[SebastianJu]

For many young people for example it can be problematic to get a loan for buying there first house or appartment, its very common here in Sweden that parents have to step in as security on a loan there kids take to get there house when we talk about slightly larger loans in a few hundred thoused to a few million usd equivalent, the banks may not accept just the house and the incomes from the younger person as security as houseprices can go down and future incomes may be uncertain.
On the other hand people can get big loans in blanco or at the very least with for example a house as security if they have a long and good credit record and have incomes that is good, maby its due to better pay back rates and the fact that its easier for banks to garantee that they get there money back here one way or another if something would go wrong, as people cant just declaire bancrupcy and think they can walk away from there depts here, it may be possible under very extreme conditions nowadays to do so after many years if its totally impossible for the person to work there dept down, but it wasent that long ago that it was impossible for someone to even go that route and have depts written down in such way.

Im not really sure how its in the US now. In germany some years ago the possibility to go bankrupt as a person was added. Simply because it doesnt make sense that someone lives for the rest of his life under the bear of debts that he sometimes never can pay back. So he now has a hard time for one or two years and then he can start over. The risk is then more on the side of the creditor. Maybe thats a reason they are very cautious to give loans.

But its similar here that parents get a loan to help their kids build their house. But its nowhere near a few million usd. Though such a loan is different. A fresh family starting is a parents wish for a good start. Doing the same only to let the money flow to some random internet people has not much appeal. I mean they would need to pay back the debt in the meanwhile and hope to get it back from ukyo. But still they would have to pay first. And have the chance having to pay it back in full. Or even lose the house when they cant pay anymore for some reason. If i would be ukyo i would never ever ask my relatives to take such a risk for me.

I only say it would be a huge step by relatives and i doubt they were happy to step into such thing...

... Especially its not a problem when you can go bankrupt personally. Then the family would be plain stupid to put money into it.

You know what else is plain stupid?  Expecting restitution from a d00d who threatens to declare bankruptcy when asked to repay the money he owes you.

Its no threat... its common sense. If the coins arent there and you sue weex then weex HAS to go bankrupt by law. As long as you dont sue weex the company can exist and the chances to get the coins back exist...

[NotLambchop]

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Its no threat... its common sense. If the coins arent there and you sue weex then weex HAS to go bankrupt by law. As long as you dont sue weex the company can exist and the chances to get the coins back exist...

Nonsense.  Let's explore the alternative lines of bullshit:

1. Jon claims that the coin is there, but "unavailable."  The court would explicate the meaning of that mysterious word, letting you find out WHY and FOR HOW LONG.  Absolutely no reason for any form of bankruptcy.

2.  If the coin is gone, what difference does it make if the entity known as WeEx files for bankruptcy?

3.  WeEx is an Australian-registered company, if I remember correctly.  Not sure about Australian law re. bankruptcy, but in US, only chapter 7 is straightforward liquidation.  The creditor would also have to petition for it.  It is not automatic, and it is not "the law."  

4.  The Australian registration will be examined, laughed at, and promptly deposited into recycling bin, so it may, some day, become useful.  Unless there's a more credible registration, there is no corporate entity to seek bankruptcy protection, only teh natural person, Jon.

5.  In the alternative, even if the business registration holds up, it offers no protection, since WeEx was not registered as a money transmitter.

TL;DR: I hope you're fronting for Jon, 'coz it hurts to think that people could be so easily conned.

[Sydboy]

hey there! dont be so negative. its entirely possible a random person might decide to pay 1000bitcoins even though he has seen what happens when he doesnt pay for 9+ months (nothing happens)

we need to think positive! maybe jon can team up with kyle to give head to truckers.
how many times does $20 go into $6 million ? that is alot of cold sore medication!

[SebastianJu]

1. Jon claims that the coin is there, but "unavailable."  The court would explicate the meaning of that mysterious word, letting you find out WHY and FOR HOW LONG.  Absolutely no reason for any form of bankruptcy.

So? And you cant imagine reasons why a court could say that it doesnt matter since the coins are unavailable and getting them back is speculative? You speak like you never checked how bankruptcies work. If a company has a debtor that doesnt pay and doesnt pay, while in the meanwhile you cant pay your bills... then the company goes bankrupt. Thats it for the company. So please dont only put your believe in this, check reality.

2.  If the coin is gone, what difference does it make if the entity known as WeEx files for bankruptcy?

I dont know the details but in case weex gets sued... and driven to bankruptcy... would you buy the company to be able to get the chance to get the coins back? You would buy all debts with weex too and you dont even know for sure you get the original coins back. So would you buy the company to be able to get the coins back? If not... lets assume someone would have to pay the coins back to weex... if there is no weex anymore then the debt dies too.
Im not saying this way.

3.  WeEx is an Australian-registered company, if I remember correctly.  Not sure about Australian law re. bankruptcy, but in US, only chapter 7 is straightforward liquidation.  The creditor would also have to petition for it.  It is not automatic, and it is not "the law."  

But you would force a company owner to file bankruptcy to avoid "failure to file for insolvency in due time" since thats something you can be punished for. So ukyo only has to choice to let weex life, have the chance and hope to get the coins back or being forced to file bankruptcy in order to not being charged. He could go the easy way as far as i saw, letting his trust here die completely and thats it. But he choses to try getting everything back and holding chances open.
So yes... its insolvency by law.

4.  The Australian registration will be examined, laughed at, and promptly deposited into recycling bin, so it may, some day, become useful.  Unless there's a more credible registration, there is no corporate entity to seek bankruptcy protection, only teh natural person, Jon.

What? Only because you believe a company isnt a real company doesnt make this true. If this would work we all had our coins back long ago. Please a bit less dreaming. A company registration is a company registration. It doesnt matter if you think a company registration is credible.

5.  In the alternative, even if the business registration holds up, it offers no protection, since WeEx was not registered as a money transmitter.

So? Please ask a lawyer before being so sure about this. I think its more correct that the missing registration leads to a fee that has to be paid but the company and what it did doesnt become illegal automatically only because of that. It would be plain stupid if so. Its like you say a restaurant had a mice in the kitchen... they dont have to clear things and pay a fine if you would be the judge... no the whole restaurant would be illegal out of the sudden. Every guest suddenly had to get back his money he paid for eating and and and. Thats a dream of yours only.

TL;DR: I hope you're fronting for Jon, 'coz it hurts to think that people could be so easily conned.

I constantly try to catch him on IRC to speak with him so that i get informed about whats going on. And like i wrote... im sueing the labcoin scammer (at the moment only police investigation and private investigations) and i would have sued pirateat40 if i lost coins there. I would sue kslaughter too if i wouldnt think he only is an inept business man and not a scammer. But ukyo is different for me and thats why my unemotional decision is how it is. But believe me... im angry... it only doesnt matter. And i really really really hate not to know what happened. But i chose to be calm and trust ukyo for now. If i would act how i feel i would beat everything to pulp. Unfortunately it wouldnt help me at all.

[NotLambchop]

1. Jon claims that the coin is there, but "unavailable."  The court would explicate the meaning of that mysterious word, letting you find out WHY and FOR HOW LONG.  Absolutely no reason for any form of bankruptcy.

So? And you cant imagine reasons why a court could say that it doesnt matter since the coins are unavailable and getting them back is speculative?...

I can't imagine the court being satisfied with Jon's "SRY U Gise, I can't tell you because reasons! I can haz bankruptcy?"  Bankruptcy protection is not get-out-of-jail-free card.  If you have embezzled money, you can't simply "Lol, UNAVAILABLE" and file for bankruptcy--bankruptcy protection is not offered to criminals.  Don't know why this needs to be repeated.

2.  If the coin is gone, what difference does it make if the entity known as WeEx files for bankruptcy?

I dont know the details but in case weex gets sued... and driven to bankruptcy... would you buy the company to be able to get the chance to get the coins back? You would buy all debts with weex too and you dont even know for sure you get the original coins back. So would you buy the company to be able to get the coins back? If not... lets assume someone would have to pay the coins back to weex... if there is no weex anymore then the debt dies too.
Im not saying this way.

Wat.
No, i would not buy WeEx under any circumstances.  No, suing WeEx will not extinguish WeEx debt.  WeEx being a scam makes Jon personally responsible for WeEx debt.  Again, bankruptcy protection is not extended to criminals.

3.  WeEx is an Australian-registered company, if I remember correctly.  Not sure about Australian law re. bankruptcy, but in US, only chapter 7 is straightforward liquidation.  The creditor would also have to petition for it.  It is not automatic, and it is not "the law."  

But you would force a company owner to file bankruptcy to avoid "failure to file for insolvency in due time" since thats something you can be punished for. So ukyo only has to choice to let weex life, have the chance and hope to get the coins back or being forced to file bankruptcy in order to not being charged. He could go the easy way as far as i saw, letting his trust here die completely and thats it. But he choses to try getting everything back and holding chances open.
So yes... its insolvency by law.

We are going around in circles.  Jon claims the coins are not gone, thus filing for insolvency would constitute fraud on his part.

4.  The Australian registration will be examined, laughed at, and promptly deposited into recycling bin, so it may, some day, become useful.  Unless there's a more credible registration, there is no corporate entity to seek bankruptcy protection, only teh natural person, Jon.

What? Only because you believe a company isnt a real company doesnt make this true. If this would work we all had our coins back long ago. Please a bit less dreaming. A company registration is a company registration. It doesnt matter if you think a company registration is credible.

Yes.  Yes it does.
Taking to you is as frustrating as talking to a born-again Christian who grasps at any straw just to convince himself that all his stupidity, wrongs and inadequacies will be righted in the afterlife, where his failures will magically become virtues, and he'll plant his ass at His Right Hand.

There is no reasoning with that but, at least, these Christian wannabes admit to being lowly sinners, and their humility (even if insincere) is their saving grace.  You--while driven to your present condition by basest, unchecked animal greed--have the audacity to keep churning out this nauseating apologia.

Stop.  Learn to dignity.  Jon is not your friend.  Jon has conned you.  You are his mark.  Stop hanging out on IRC, begging for crumbs.  Behave as if you respect yourself, and, by route, you will learn to.

[SebastianJu]

1. Jon claims that the coin is there, but "unavailable."  The court would explicate the meaning of that mysterious word, letting you find out WHY and FOR HOW LONG.  Absolutely no reason for any form of bankruptcy.

So? And you cant imagine reasons why a court could say that it doesnt matter since the coins are unavailable and getting them back is speculative?...

I can't imagine the court being satisfied with Jon's "SRY U Gise, I can't tell you because reasons! I can haz bankruptcy?"  Bankruptcy protection is not get-out-of-jail-free card.  If you have embezzled money, you can't simply "Lol, UNAVAILABLE" and file for bankruptcy--bankruptcy protection is not offered to criminals.  Don't know why this needs to be repeated.

No, im sure he would tell the court what happened. If he didnt it would look like he stole them. But he would most probably in the same situation every company would be in that situation. It doesnt matter that theoretically you should have more money or get coins. You cant pay now, the debtors dont pay instantly... your bankrupt. Im sure you will find examples for this in the country you life in. Many companies go bankrupt simply because a debtor isnt paying (fast) enough. It doesnt matter then anymore if you cant pay your own debts.

2.  If the coin is gone, what difference does it make if the entity known as WeEx files for bankruptcy?

I dont know the details but in case weex gets sued... and driven to bankruptcy... would you buy the company to be able to get the chance to get the coins back? You would buy all debts with weex too and you dont even know for sure you get the original coins back. So would you buy the company to be able to get the coins back? If not... lets assume someone would have to pay the coins back to weex... if there is no weex anymore then the debt dies too.
Im not saying this way.

Wat.
No, i would not buy WeEx under any circumstances.  No, suing WeEx will not extinguish WeEx debt.  WeEx being a scam makes Jon personally responsible for WeEx debt.  Again, bankruptcy protection is not extended to criminals.

I dont speak about your dream of weex being a scam in reality. You cant proof this. And as long as its this way its your own illusion.
Lets say ukyo wont be personally responsible and he would be protected by company bankruptcy. And then? You think anyone cares about your "but... but... it has to be a scam..." then anymore.

3.  WeEx is an Australian-registered company, if I remember correctly.  Not sure about Australian law re. bankruptcy, but in US, only chapter 7 is straightforward liquidation.  The creditor would also have to petition for it.  It is not automatic, and it is not "the law."  

But you would force a company owner to file bankruptcy to avoid "failure to file for insolvency in due time" since thats something you can be punished for. So ukyo only has to choice to let weex life, have the chance and hope to get the coins back or being forced to file bankruptcy in order to not being charged. He could go the easy way as far as i saw, letting his trust here die completely and thats it. But he choses to try getting everything back and holding chances open.
So yes... its insolvency by law.

We are going around in circles.  Jon claims the coins are not gone, thus filing for insolvency would constitute fraud on his part.

See above. Your statement only would be valid when he wouldnt tell the court what happened. But im sure he would say what happened. Even when it means the coins are gone then.

4.  The Australian registration will be examined, laughed at, and promptly deposited into recycling bin, so it may, some day, become useful.  Unless there's a more credible registration, there is no corporate entity to seek bankruptcy protection, only teh natural person, Jon.

What? Only because you believe a company isnt a real company doesnt make this true. If this would work we all had our coins back long ago. Please a bit less dreaming. A company registration is a company registration. It doesnt matter if you think a company registration is credible.

Yes.  Yes it does.
Taking to you is as frustrating as talking to a born-again Christian who grasps at any straw just to convince himself that all his stupidity, wrongs and inadequacies will be righted in the afterlife, where his failures will magically become virtues, and he'll plant his ass at His Right Hand.

There is no reasoning with that but, at least, these Christian wannabes admit to being lowly sinners, and their humility (even if insincere) is their saving grace.  You--while driven to your present condition by basest, unchecked animal greed--have the audacity to keep churning out this nauseating apologia.

Stop.  Learn to dignity.  Jon is not your friend.  Jon has conned you.  You are his mark.  Stop hanging out on IRC, begging for crumbs.  Behave as if you respect yourself, and, by route, you will learn to.

Ah... i see... arguments are gone. Good luck living in your reality bubble...

[NotLambchop]

1. Jon claims that the coin is there, but "unavailable."  The court would explicate the meaning of that mysterious word, letting you find out WHY and FOR HOW LONG.  Absolutely no reason for any form of bankruptcy.

So? And you cant imagine reasons why a court could say that it doesnt matter since the coins are unavailable and getting them back is speculative?...

I can't imagine the court being satisfied with Jon's "SRY U Gise, I can't tell you because reasons! I can haz bankruptcy?"  Bankruptcy protection is not get-out-of-jail-free card.  If you have embezzled money, you can't simply "Lol, UNAVAILABLE" and file for bankruptcy--bankruptcy protection is not offered to criminals.  Don't know why this needs to be repeated.

No, im sure he would tell the court what happened. If he didnt it would look like he stole them.

So not explaining what's going on will look like theft to the court.  But... not to you.

2.  If the coin is gone, what difference does it make if the entity known as WeEx files for bankruptcy?

I dont know the details but in case weex gets sued... and driven to bankruptcy... would you buy the company to be able to get the chance to get the coins back? You would buy all debts with weex too and you dont even know for sure you get the original coins back. So would you buy the company to be able to get the coins back? If not... lets assume someone would have to pay the coins back to weex... if there is no weex anymore then the debt dies too.
Im not saying this way.

Wat.
No, i would not buy WeEx under any circumstances.  No, suing WeEx will not extinguish WeEx debt.  WeEx being a scam makes Jon personally responsible for WeEx debt.  Again, bankruptcy protection is not extended to criminals.

I dont speak about your dream of weex being a scam in reality. You cant proof this. And as long as its this way its your own illusion.
Lets say ukyo wont be personally responsible and he would be protected by company bankruptcy. And then? You think anyone cares about your "but... but... it has to be a scam..." then anymore.

I can not prove that black is not white.  I say it isn't, you say it is and ...there we are, impasse.  Much like now.
Luckily, US criminal courts do not require proof "beyond the shadow of a doubt," merely "beyond reasonable doubt."  Civil cases don't even need to go that far.  I have no doubt about Jon's intent, and his Australian registration won't get more than a chuckle from the court--just like Kenneth Slaughter's Belize-registered Active Mining.  Though like you, Active Mining legal experts (Active Mining thread was suddenly full of them) insisted shit was bulletproof.

To sum up, without my "dreams," I would be pretty much where you are now:  Substantially poorer, a clueless rube unwilling to accept he's been conned yet again.  Assuming, once again, you're not fronting.

[SebastianJu]

So not explaining what's going on will look like theft to the court.  But... not to you.

I get it... you want it being a scam really bad. Though i dont see what you get from it.
Ill try it again... maybe not all hope is lost with you. Ukyo telling what happened to the coins means threatening the chance to get them back. Telling it to a jugde means the same but would be needed to avoid being sued for being a scammer. I really hope you get it... i somehow doubt though...

US criminal courts do not require proof "beyond the shadow of a doubt," merely "beyond reasonable doubt."  Civil cases don't even need to go that far.

Right... thats why i dont think ukyo will remain silent at all cost.

To sum up, without my "dreams," I would be pretty much where you are now:  Substantially poorer, a clueless rube unwilling to accept he's been conned yet again.  Assuming, once again, you're not fronting.

So you see yourself only as the one accepting reality. Ok... i see ukyo didnt vanish, i see he works on things and i will give up when all is lost. Not before. I cant lose but win with this.

By the way... i was one of those that tried to convince nefario to get things straight with the shares... while others long ago had given up. And guess what? I was correct. But ok... your reality, your rules. Maybe youre right but im not one to give up so easily.

[NotLambchop]

It's becoming obvious that I would have as much luck convincing a rock that it is a rock as I would trying to convince you that, once again, you've been had.
Repeatedly losing substantial sums of money to laughable scams undoubtedly tests one's psyche, but a healthy individual eventually accepts the facts and learns from his mistakes so that, though humbled, he could go on living.
I find gifs to be a helpful learning aid, here:



Your pathology has frozen you at the third stage, denial.  Denial is a healthy mind's way of spreading the [potentially deadly] shock over time, just like your car's crumple zones distribute the shock of plowing into a wall at 50mph.  Yours, OTOH, has convinced you that denial is a viable long-term coping technique.  It is not.  It's simply not life-affirming.

What makes conditions such as yours so difficult to treat is this catch-22:  Having embraced denial as your go-to coping technique, it is easier for you to deny that you are ill than it is to seek professional help.  Without the choice of placing you in a monitored psychiatric facility and the benefit of powerful modern pharmaceuticals, I'm unable to help you any further.

All the best, and

  ~Happy investing!

[SebastianJu]

but a healthy individual eventually accepts the facts and learns from his mistakes so that, though humbled, he could go on living.

Since you try to be the hobby psychologist... your last 5 words look to me like they describe why you want to see this as a scam... you want to go on living normally instead waiting for something that might not come. Its your choice. I think its the easy way and i dont think i will go that route. Because yes... i fall for some scams and i fall for stupid businessmens or plain bad investments. And THATS why i see weex in a different light. Because i know scams.

But i dont want to take over your believe. Feel free to call it a scam so you can put an end to this emotionally. Though only because you want to got that route doesnt mean that others wont look at you and think that you bend the signs so it can match your decision. So that you dont need to hope again for a good end. A clean cut might be better for you then if you cant take the tension.

You might still be right at the end... the possibility is there. Lets see how things develop.

[NotLambchop]

...Since you try to be the hobby psychologist...

Every boy needs a hobby, Sebastian.  I make-believe I'm a benevolent blend of Dr. Benway and Dr. Evans, and you... well, you imagine yourself a financier.  Though both seem awful fun, mine costs me a bit less

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Because yes... i fall for some scams and i fall for stupid businessmens or plain bad investments. And THATS why i see weex in a different light. Because i know scams.
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Let's cut to the chase--I have a lucrative investment opportunity for you [if you still have non-trivial amounts of coin left, that is]:

Send 1k BTC to the address I will provide.  In exchange I will start an IRC chan, where you can hang out as much as you want, waiting to talk to me.  I will log on occasionally (daily at first, weekly after a couple of months, then biweekly, etc., etc.) to keep you updated on the things I can't tell you about.  I will never tell you that you have been scammed, so that, according to your logic, you never will be.
You know you want it.
You can't lose.
Deal?

[mgio]

Anyone heard anything from Ukyo recently?

It's been nearly 2 months and I haven't been able to reach him on IRC.

[MilkyLep]

So much for that claim portal and making plans to begin div payments again eh?

Let me guess... still waiting for BTC to drop some more?

[stereotype]

So much for that claim portal and making plans to begin div payments again eh?

Let me guess... still waiting for BTC to drop some more?

Must be still trying to fix Bitcoind. 

[glendall]

Anyone heard anything from Ukyo recently?

It's been nearly 2 months and I haven't been able to reach him on IRC.

Ya he called the other day. He even mentioned you by name! He said ' and special thanks to Mgio for his contribution. I bought my cat a gold and ivory padded scratching post with his bitcoin, thanks, Mr Muggles loves it' and then went on to talk about the rest of the 1000s of bitcoin lost by saying he can't talk about it for 'reasons'

[wang_yan]

It's already October. If Ukyo fails to communicate, I guess he will end with those BFL guys the same way.

[malkusch]

Anyone heard anything from Ukyo recently?

He's still active in IRC. I chatted with him on Sept. 22th.

[OneSixtiethOfASecond]

I think today marks the one year anniversary of our last Ukyo.Loan interest payout.  Any news?