Why do the mods allow accounts to be bought and sold?

[bluefin]

Brand new on the board here but it seems to me like you shouldn't be allowed to purchase a hacked or abandoned or sold/aged account, heck you can't even delete your own account for the protection of users down the line.

No other forum of this size allows accounts to be sold or purchased and if they are or are found out to be then they are banned and deleted or at least tagged in someway so that other users know about it.

The only realistic reason for someone to purchase an account would be to scam others, period.

If the mods and owners are allowing this activity to happen then they are at the very least, complicit in the scams, extortion, blackmailing and theft that is rampant throughout this forum.

How can you guys allow this activity?

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[Lohoris]

The only realistic reason for someone to purchase an account would be to scam others, period.

I considered buying accounts to rent the signatures.
I haven't done it yet because I don't think it's lucrative enough, but it might make sense anyway.

[bitcoindigi]

admin allows it.

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[bluefin]

The only realistic reason for someone to purchase an account would be to scam others, period.

I considered buying accounts to rent the signatures.
I haven't done it yet because I don't think it's lucrative enough, but it might make sense anyway.

We are skipping over the real issue here, the complicit nature of the mods to allow the scams, extortion, blackmailing and theft's to continue.

[notlist3d]

The only realistic reason for someone to purchase an account would be to scam others, period.

I considered buying accounts to rent the signatures.
I haven't done it yet because I don't think it's lucrative enough, but it might make sense anyway.

We are skipping over the real issue here, the complicit nature of the mods to allow the scams, extortion, blackmailing and theft's to continue.

We know mods don't want it to happen.  Unfortunately some people just are not good people ... simple as that.  With coin purchases escrow is important.  Escrow.... escrow.... escrow.

[bluefin]

For instance look at this douche-bag,

"Forum shilling service. Positive or negative feedback, we can deliver"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=259839

My point being, that these people are over running the forum like rats, like cockroaches, imagine a newbie coming along after reading or hearing about bitcoin from their friend or coworker and how it's such a great idea only to come here and find trash like the above.

[bluefin]

The only realistic reason for someone to purchase an account would be to scam others, period.

I considered buying accounts to rent the signatures.
I haven't done it yet because I don't think it's lucrative enough, but it might make sense anyway.

Seriously?
You might want to read up on the more recent advances in seo. Don't bullshit me or yourself, you know for a fact that garbage links like this don't do anything anymore and could possibly hurt your rankings.

You didn't purchase them because you know that they aren't worth it and made you feel scummy, cmon admit it.

[Lohoris]

Seriously?
You might want to read up on the more recent advances in seo. Don't bullshit me or yourself, you know for a fact that garbage links like this don't do anything anymore and could possibly hurt your rankings.

You didn't purchase them because you know that they aren't worth it and made you feel scummy, cmon admit it.

You got it the other way around.

I planned to buy accounts and to sell to other people those accounts' signatures.

[bitcoindigi]

The only realistic reason for someone to purchase an account would be to scam others, period.

I considered buying accounts to rent the signatures.
I haven't done it yet because I don't think it's lucrative enough, but it might make sense anyway.

Seriously?
You might want to read up on the more recent advances in seo. Don't bullshit me or yourself, you know for a fact that garbage links like this don't do anything anymore and could possibly hurt your rankings.

You didn't purchase them because you know that they aren't worth it and made you feel scummy, cmon admit it.

signature links from a bitcoin forum to a bitcoin related website are still good. your ranking won't suffer from it.

[bluefin]

The only realistic reason for someone to purchase an account would be to scam others, period.

I considered buying accounts to rent the signatures.
I haven't done it yet because I don't think it's lucrative enough, but it might make sense anyway.

Seriously?
You might want to read up on the more recent advances in seo. Don't bullshit me or yourself, you know for a fact that garbage links like this don't do anything anymore and could possibly hurt your rankings.

You didn't purchase them because you know that they aren't worth it and made you feel scummy, cmon admit it.

signature links from a bitcoin forum to a bitcoin related website are still good. your ranking won't suffer from it.

Then you don't know what you are talking about either:

Google Webmaster video on "How does Google consider site-wide backlinks?":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTjN9x-by-I

Google Webmaster video on "What is Google's thinking about links from article marketing, widgets..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chuhSmwsL7s

No seo worth his salt would tell you that forum links are worth any seo value at this point. You might get the occasional click through but as far as seo value is concerned, nada.

[bluefin]

Seriously?
You might want to read up on the more recent advances in seo. Don't bullshit me or yourself, you know for a fact that garbage links like this don't do anything anymore and could possibly hurt your rankings.

You didn't purchase them because you know that they aren't worth it and made you feel scummy, cmon admit it.

You got it the other way around.

I planned to buy accounts and to sell to other people those accounts' signatures.

Are you saying that you would purposely sell someone signature links on an account that has been hacked, stolen or abandoned?

Do you disclose this to your clients up front?

[Lohoris]

Are you saying that you would purposely sell someone signature links on an account that has been hacked, stolen or abandoned?

No, I would do that with accounts which have been legitimately sold.

Do you disclose this to your clients up front?

Yes, I would disclose publicly which accounts I bought, and ask to the sponsor if that's ok with them.

Anything else?

[bluefin]

Are you saying that you would purposely sell someone signature links on an account that has been hacked, stolen or abandoned?

No, I would do that with accounts which have been legitimately sold.

Do you disclose this to your clients up front?

Yes, I would disclose publicly which accounts I bought, and ask to the sponsor if that's ok with them.

Anything else?

How do you know that they are legitimately sold? Do you purchase them offline by a known physical person?

Please publicly disclose all of the accounts that you have bought and or sold so that the rest of us know to ignore them and not trust them.

[HenryRomp]

I think this is a very interesting issue.

I always use my real name when posting anywhere online.

If I were going to enter a transaction with anybody from the forum I would need to know their real name and be confident that they really are who they say they are. A facebook page would usually be enough for me to feel comfortable, as I think it would be very difficult to convincingly fake a facebook page (things I would look at would be how many friends, unique posts, photos, family members listed, work history, etc.).

I don't think that accounts being bought and sold is in any way good for the bitcoin community, but I don't necessarily think that prohibiting any type of exchange is a good idea either.

I think any account used to buy or sell accounts should get a scammer tag, but that the user in question should not be banned and the post should not be deleted or moderated.

Freedom of exchange is what bitcoin is all about. At least from my perspective. So telling people what they can or cannot buy or sell seems to be inherently against the fundamental principles of bitcoin.

I can't see an easy way to do it, but if there were some way that we could require all transactions involving buying or selling forum accounts to be public, so that everybody could see which accounts have been bought or sold and who owns them now, that would solve the issue--sure, you can buy and sell accounts all day, but they won't be much use to you if everybody knows that you bought them.

[bluefin]

I think this is a very interesting issue.

I always use my real name when posting anywhere online.

If I were going to enter a transaction with anybody from the forum I would need to know their real name and be confident that they really are who they say they are. A facebook page would usually be enough for me to feel comfortable, as I think it would be very difficult to convincingly fake a facebook page (things I would look at would be how many friends, unique posts, photos, family members listed, work history, etc.).

I don't think that accounts being bought and sold is in any way good for the bitcoin community, but I don't necessarily think that prohibiting any type of exchange is a good idea either.

I think any account used to buy or sell accounts should get a scammer tag, but that the user in question should not be banned and the post should not be deleted or moderated.

Freedom of exchange is what bitcoin is all about. At least from my perspective. So telling people what they can or cannot buy or sell seems to be inherently against the fundamental principles of bitcoin.

I can't see an easy way to do it, but if there were some way that we could require all transactions involving buying or selling forum accounts to be public, so that everybody could see which accounts have been bought or sold and who owns them now, that would solve the issue--sure, you can buy and sell accounts all day, but they won't be much use to you if everybody knows that you bought them.

I disagree,
The community at large is allowing this.

According to the forum stats, they are about 136,000 accounts, let's say 75% are fake or dead, that is 34,000 people that could rise up and demand that these scumbags be chased off our land.

If only 1% of us that are on this forum (~340) people speak up about this to the mods/owners and refuse to allow this type of behavior they will have no choice but to do something about it.

Theymos and the rest of the mods should be ashamed of themselves.

I want bitcoin to succeed in a huge way, but with these types of people running and ruining what we have,  I am starting to doubt it.

[fildza]

Try make a vote first. I dont think all people dissagree the account can be bought or sold

[bluefin]

Try make a vote first. I dont think all people dissagree the account can be bought or sold

what?
The mods/theymos have said numerous times that buying and selling accounts are NOT against TOS.

[Lohoris]

Please publicly disclose all of the accounts that you have bought and or sold

What's your problem?
I've stated clearly in every post here that this is a thing I considered but didn't do.
Now apologise or this discussion ends here.

[bluefin]

Please publicly disclose all of the accounts that you have bought and or sold

What's your problem?
I've stated clearly in every post here that this is a thing I considered but didn't do.
Now apologise or this discussion ends here.

What would you like me to apologize for trying to make this place better than it is by calling out people such as yourself?

The fact that you even considered purchasing fake accounts to then sell to your customers points directly at your character or lack thereof. May I remind you that I started this thread and YOU choose to admit your details to us.

[HenryRomp]

I think this is a very interesting issue.

I always use my real name when posting anywhere online.

If I were going to enter a transaction with anybody from the forum I would need to know their real name and be confident that they really are who they say they are. A facebook page would usually be enough for me to feel comfortable, as I think it would be very difficult to convincingly fake a facebook page (things I would look at would be how many friends, unique posts, photos, family members listed, work history, etc.).

I don't think that accounts being bought and sold is in any way good for the bitcoin community, but I don't necessarily think that prohibiting any type of exchange is a good idea either.

I think any account used to buy or sell accounts should get a scammer tag, but that the user in question should not be banned and the post should not be deleted or moderated.

Freedom of exchange is what bitcoin is all about. At least from my perspective. So telling people what they can or cannot buy or sell seems to be inherently against the fundamental principles of bitcoin.

I can't see an easy way to do it, but if there were some way that we could require all transactions involving buying or selling forum accounts to be public, so that everybody could see which accounts have been bought or sold and who owns them now, that would solve the issue--sure, you can buy and sell accounts all day, but they won't be much use to you if everybody knows that you bought them.

I disagree,
The community at large is allowing this.

According to the forum stats, they are about 136,000 accounts, let's say 75% are fake or dead, that is 34,000 people that could rise up and demand that these scumbags be chased off our land.

If only 1% of us that are on this forum (~340) people speak up about this to the mods/owners and refuse to allow this type of behavior they will have no choice but to do something about it.

Theymos and the rest of the mods should be ashamed of themselves.

I want bitcoin to succeed in a huge way, but with these types of people running and ruining what we have,  I am starting to doubt it.

The community at large is allowing this, and I can see why. In a very big way, bitcoin is about freedom of exchange. Telling people what they can and can't buy or sell goes against this in a fundamental way. I think the marketplace here shouldn't have any terms regarding what can and can't be bought or sold. So I am against banning the sale of accounts.

However, I think buying or selling accounts is clearly either condoning, encouraging, or preparing to engage in, scamming.

Therefore, I think anybody buying or selling accounts should get a scammer tag, but that the buying and selling of accounts should not be prohibited by the TOS or result in a ban of the user, and the thread with the attempted sale should not be deleted or locked.