Ideas for improving post quality?

[wumBowo]

i think it's a good thing if the forums have a notification when someone quoted our post, so we just clicked those notifications and it will redirect us to the quoted post. By this, we don't need to take a lot of time for scrolling and finding if someone quoted our posts or not.
Or I might be a dumb that this features actually has been around on this forums already?

this is what we wanted on this forum, a notication on our account when someone quoted our post, so there will be a decent conversation without wasting time scrolling/moving another page to find out if there's someone quoted/reply our post or not

[criptix]

If you believe a fee would discourage spammers you're wrong. It would only impact the economy as paid posting would become a little less profitable. Instead of 0.1BTC per month a spammer would be getting that - the fee, e.g. 0.08BTC. Still worth it! It would also discourage new users because not everyone is able to pay a fee from the start, while the long time spammers (who just have to be rich by now) would keep doing it anyway.  

I think you're wrong and are probably just basing it off the fact that you don't want to have to pay anything to be able to earn here. Do you think a spammer is going to pay $100 to have a signature on each of his 100 accounts? Of course not, but if you can create 100 accounts for free then it will continue to be abused en mass and by people with hundreds of accounts. Charge to have a signature and this abuse will stop almost instantly or be drastically curbed by about 99%. We really can't continue to just let people have dozens to hundreds of accounts because it gets worse day by day and there's not enough manpower or hours in the day to deal with it now, nevermind months down the line as the problem grows exponentially.

You're right about me not wanting to pay if $100 was on the line. My campaign is paying me about $300 a month. Giving $100 upfront to be able to potentially get $300 if I keep posting throughout the month, not get a ban, negative trust, and the campaign doesn't shut down, is not the most lucrative deal, although I'm sure some people would go for it.
Enough with me. I said what I said because there are campaigns that pay people over $1000 a month and I'm pretty sure your $100 rule isn't going to hurt those people.
Can you start to see the problem? Set the fee at $20 a month, you'll only discourage members from joining those low paid campaigns. Set it at $100, the campaigns will be forced to increase the rates because people won't be willing to join them.
If you make the fees low, you'll only reduce low ranked spam and increase the market price of high ranks. Make them too high and you'll make the campaigns hero/legendary exclusive and make those accounts worth more on the market.
Setting fees will make the market adapt like it always does. It will make it harder to earn anything if you're completely broke, starting your forum career, are a low ranked member, or a member of a low paying campaign. What about the spam that comes from the accounts that are being leveled up for sale? How high should the fee be to be just for everyone?  

No not when their 100$ accounts gets banned for shitposting lol

Just imagine you make 10 accounts for 1000$ and get banned after 2 days for shitposting  

btw. we have 5 pages of discussion now, please add some input please @theymos.

[bobitza]

What are everyone's ideas for improving post quality?

I have mostly ruled out:

 - Removing signatures or sig ads globally.
 - Requiring payment to wear sig ads.
 - Banning account sales.

A couple of ideas that have been floating around in my head:

1. To attain ranks above Member, you'd have to earn some number of merit points. Merit points would be awarded in a monthly vote on best posts of the previous month, with various measures (TBD) to prevent gaming of the vote. Winning merit points might also come with a BTC prize.

2. Create or designate some sections as "serious discussion" sections, with no signatures. In those sections or maybe in different ones, also have poster restrictions such as Member rank or above only. And/or allow topic-creators to set these restrictions on their topics, similar to selfmod topics.

What do you think of these ideas, and what other ideas do people have?

Posting is important when you participate in bitcoin campaigns. Make sure the article quality determines success in your campaign. Things to keep in mind when posting:
Write the right topic
Write on time
Ideas or creativity.

[qwertyfull]

Removing signatures idea is not a good thing for me. there are so many people here in the forum that are wearing signatures globally also only the signature is the only one way to program owner to introduce their sales.

it is better to just have a minimum 100 characters posting here. that will solve the problem for me.

[Hazaki]

I don't know if the needed code to implement on the forum in order to realize the below ideas is just doable or not , but i'd certainly like if such features existed in order to decrease the number of shitty/one line/bumping/spammy/farming posters .

First , i think that signatures shouldn't apply to all posts done in a single day, in other words if you make X posts per day -> only Y (Y<X) will have a signature on them thus making them accounted for the sig campaigns ( a radio button to graphically select if the signature is ON or OFF will do the trick i guess )  , in consequence users will have a daily(*) quota of "signature applied" that they'll have to meet EACH DAY to get their posts done and be able to receive their payments (the same required number of posts by all the campaigns for each rank will certainly help define this quota ).

Secondly, impose a gap between every "signature applied" post thus people will have to invest more time to make these posts ( and hopefully they'll learn something since there's knowledge to grab in all forum's corners for those devoted enough .. )  .

(*) -> It'll certainly help against spammers /shit posters since they won't be able to make huge chunks of their needed posts in a single day due to the quota restriction (usually the last day of the sig's round ) , it'll make it easier for sig mangers to spot them , and at the same time it won't prevent people from doing as much posts as they'll want to such as hilariousetc  said :

Well I make more than 20 posts a week and I shouldn't be limited by this.

In consequence :
-> People will be obliged to respect and make the best use out of their "signature applied" quota and needed time between each of those posts .
-> Harder job for alts possessors, and they'll maybe really learn something ! Who knows?
-> Easier post quality checking .

Other features could be applied such as : each topic can only contain ONE "signature applied" post from each user -> spam threads won't be a problem anymore .. ,and whatever other useful features that can make a better place out of this forum   .

[Deena]

Removing signatures idea is not a good thing for me. there are so many people here in the forum that are wearing signatures globally also only the signature is the only one way to program owner to introduce their sales.

it is better to just have a minimum 100 characters posting here. that will solve the problem for me.

Short replies can be meaningful also. Like this one. It's not about quantity but about quality.

[hilariousetc]

btw. we have 5 pages of discussion now, please add some input please @theymos.

Chance would be as fine thing.

Thread below was created by theymos two years ago nearly and despite me bringing up the issue in the Staff forum every so often, still absolutely nothing has been done:

Boards that don't contribute to activity

I'm thinking of making Games & Rounds not count toward posts or activity. What other boards would be good candidates for this? Maybe Off-topic, though some decent discussions occur there, so I'm not sure about that.

Nothing will likely be done about this either, and in the op he's already essentially shot down some of the main solutions to this. The only one he hasn't is punishing incompetent signature campaign managers by banning their accounts/trashing their threads which a while back he said he wasn't really keen on doing so we may as well get used to the fact that ICOs are going to keep paying people to shit all over the forum and the majority of posts here being two lines of nothingness by South East Asian shitposters by the likes of this guy below:

Removing signatures idea is not a good thing for me. there are so many people here in the forum that are wearing signatures globally also only the signature is the only one way to program owner to introduce their sales.

it is better to just have a minimum 100 characters posting here. that will solve the problem for me.

It's not the only way. They can purchase forums ads, but how convenient, it's not a good idea for you. Of course it isn't when you don't want your cash cow culled. And making people post 100 characters doesn't do anything but make shitposters stretch out posts longer, just like it does with you. Instead of a shitposter posting just 'Pepsi' in a thread called Pepsi vs Coke, they'll just post: "I like Pepsi because it's better than Cola. I like the way it tastes. It's very refreshing and fizzy. Yummy. It's good. I like the taste. Is this 100 characters yet? I hope so". Get my point? You are also a classic two line shitposter who's posts are all exactly two sentences just because for some reason you think two sentences is enough effort to not constitute being spam:

It is not easy to managed my money because i just have enough money for my good and also for the things that i needed. i doesn't have many money that i can use for my personal things. budget it.

well for me now. the best way to invest is in the bitcoin cryptocurrency, it is so special , especially right now the bitcoin price today is like a cheap compare yesterday,. meaning it is the time to buy some btc's now.

I've just been through your ENTIRE post history here and you haven't once made a post longer than two sentences. And why's that? Because you can't be bothered writing anything else nor do you need to when ICO campaigns will continue to pay you for this rubbish, and you clearly have absolutely no interest in contributing anything of value or substance here other than putting in the minimal amount of effort to earn your money and trying to not get yourself banned in the process. You can't even be bothered to hit the shift key to capitalise the start of your sentences most of the time; you just churn out a response as fast as you possibly can making sure that it's always two sentences. Your first posts here are even worse; just a few word posts in all spammy off topic threads that you clearly made to try rank up. I'm guessing you probably have multiple accounts churning out these two liners as well. Good thing for you admins never bother looking into you sorts of shitposters.

[nrm4bits]

I've read some posts from this thread, i will not summarize or give my opinion about other's opinion though i think that:

• having a fee to register here in the forum isn't fair
• having a minimum character per post isn't helpful
• post quality is a fuzzy thing here
• being from a third world country doesn't mean you are uneducated or some other things they have been called here

So i will give now my ideas to fight shitposting and spamming here in the forum:

• Why not taking advantage of Report to moderator? You can run a contest/campaign/-whatever you wanna call it- rewarding the most accurate people reporting spam/shitpost/-non legal- post. Rewards could be in crypto for the top ten. You could show below activity the Reporting points. You could also have the top worst poster that you could punish somehow.

[hilariousetc]

being from a third world country doesn't mean you are uneducated or some other things they have been called here

I don't think anyone said they are, but the sad reality of the situation is the forum has been overrun with mostly kids from third world countries who can barely speak English who are 99% only here to try to earn money.

So i will give now my ideas to fight shitposting and spamming here in the forum:
Why not taking advantage of Report to moderator?

Do you honestly expect users to report every single shitpost when the majority of the forum is shitposting? Most people have better things to do, but people shouldn't have to deal with or witness all the crap in the first place.

You can run a contest/campaign/-whatever you wanna call it- rewarding the most accurate people reporting spam/shitpost/-non legal- post.

People would just abuse it and bot this. It would be easy just to have hundreds of spambots running that made the spam posts and another that instantly reported them. Sadly, whatever system you try to put in place here people will just find a way to game it.

[earl07]

Although im still a jr member i also care for the good of the forum,I humbly suggest the following.

-ristrict the forum rules:

how about decreasing the rules from 1st offense to permanent ban for those who  posting a non quality post or copy pasting just to achieve the minimum amount of characters to be done.

-fees for rank ups:

i also suggest this for the farmers who abuses this forum just to earn,the higher the rank the higher the fees to be paid.and the fund that can be accumulated will be use for the next idea

-hire exterminator:

administrators,staffs or moderators are still human and need to rest though its not an easy task being in thier position so i suggest this one.hire exterminator to determine shitposter and non quality poster that only wants to add thier activities.kick or report to moderators .and as long the hired one is trustworthy and devoted to thier work also this cant be done with out idea 2.in this way not only the hired one can profit but also the higher ups who devoted from this org. and i salute for the hard work

hope i can help a little and not lead to mis understanding.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Here we have another shitpost, precisely in a post about improving post quality. Do you think if this guy wasn’t wearing a signature, he would have posted here such a shit? I don’t think so.



After reading all comments on this post, one thing is clear to me: something about signatures has to be done. If removing signatures or sig ads globally has been ruled out, some other measures have to be taken, whether it be paying a fee, punishing lazy campaigns and their managers, and/or blacklisting their signatures, as hilariousetc suggested.

[malikusama]

1. To attain ranks above Member, you'd have to earn some number of merit points. Merit points would be awarded in a monthly vote on best posts of the previous month, with various measures (TBD) to prevent gaming of the vote. Winning merit points might also come with a BTC prize.

This one is the best possible solution, this condition will compel the users to improve their post quality to get promoted and obviously everyone want to rank up here so they will try to earn merit points by improving. And who don't want to win the BTC prize, this will motivate the users to get better everyday.

Is this possible that like merit points every user is rated (kind of feedback) by some highest rank members of the forum(i.e legendary) and only that user would able see his/her stats of rating which the other members have given to him/her. This will be like a feedback, if every user can receive the feedback of their posts quality monthly then then not all but many will try to improve.

[Deena]

This one is the best possible solution, this condition will compel the users to improve their post quality to get promoted and obviously everyone want to rank up here so they will try to earn merit points by improving. And who don't want to win the BTC prize, this will motivate the users to get better everyday.

Is this possible that like merit points every user is rated (kind of feedback) by some highest rank members of the forum(i.e legendary) and only that user would able see his/her stats of rating which the other members have given to him/her. This will be like a feedback, if every user can receive the feedback of their posts quality monthly then then not all but many will try to improve.

Great. More corrupt animal farm pigs considering themselves more equal than others and sticking green merit feathers in each others behinds. Exactly what this corrupt forum needs. [/sarcasm]

[LoyceV]

1. To attain ranks above Member, you'd have to earn some number of merit points. Merit points would be awarded in a monthly vote on best posts of the previous month, with various measures (TBD) to prevent gaming of the vote. Winning merit points might also come with a BTC prize.

How many users move from Member to Full Member each month? If it's thousands, it'll be a lot of work to vote.

2. Create or designate some sections as "serious discussion" sections, with no signatures. In those sections or maybe in different ones, also have poster restrictions such as Member rank or above only.

Wouldn't the creation of a "serious discussion" section imply the other sections aren't meant to be serious, while in fact most of the forum should be treated as serious?
If, however, only the topic starter gets to choose this option, I would fully support it! This gives signature campaign managers a lot more work counting posts
Activity should still be added though, as joining a serious discussion is the best kind of activity someone can have.

And/or allow topic-creators to set these restrictions on their topics, similar to selfmod topics.

I would LOVE this feature! While you're at it, can you please give the topic-creator the option to restrict people on his ignore list? In my selfmod topics, I keep deleting posts from the same ignored people.

To limit the work load for moderators, I'm only making suggestions that can be automated:
A. If a user's post gets deleted, that user loses 2 Activity points. I've seen Newbies who just spam a lot, and even though more than 50% of their posts gets deleted, they still have enough left to level up.

B. Limit the number of topics a Newbie can create.

C. (slightly offtopic here) It's been requested before, but again: please introduce an account rank "Banned". It saves reporting posts from banned users when I can instantly see who's been banned already.

i'd wholeheartedly agree to the idea of having a 'disable signatures' idea for thread starters; it'd be a simple fix for people who want an actual discussion that would eliminate a lot of spammers. however, i feel these threads would be 'covered up' really quickly by threads that allow signatures, just from the fewer number of users that would post in those threads, and would just die out real quick.

Could topics which have the "no signature" feature enabled get a higher ranking on their respective board, to make up for getting less posts? Or, as an alternative: give these topics a color that stands out on the board.

The earning merit points part could work to some extent, but I disagree with the BTC part because that wouldn’t improve anything, rather you would be overpaying people who are already writing quality posts and getting paid a lot.

Instead of a price in BTC, it could be some forum related perk. Maybe a permanent "Voted user of the month December 2017" in your profile?

The no signatures part I don't really like as that doesn't seem fair to advertisers. They, in theory, pay for quality posts in serious discussions that are far more likely to be read.

Signature campaigns already exclude certain sections from payment, it's obvious they wouldn't pay for sections that don't display their signature.

I would say fixing a minimum char limits in some of the sections of forum will lower down huge no.of spammy posts that altcoin discussion bumpers or spammers make like:

Wow   ...Interesting project.

The spammer would just make a longer post that's equally useless and takes longer to read.

- make post quality trust (like normal trust).

I'd like a simple +/- to click on each post, but if this is anonymous, I'm afraid it will be abused from alt-accounts much more than the current trust system.

I think approval for signatures should be done case-by-case basis by a team of members dedicated to do so.I  know this doesn't sound feasible but if you had around 500+ members who could review accounts and somehow automate the process,we will only see quality posters with signatures.

This is something the signature campaign manager should do. Instead of reviewing every user, how about only reviewing the campaign managers before they can manage a campaign?
I doubt anybody can really manage more than 100 posters simultaneously, which means they shouldn't take on more than they can manage.

6) If you can't fight them - join them, create new child board  in "other" section - "spam here and build rank" that would decrease spam in all forum sections

Use this as a honey pot: after 6 months, ban everybody who posted there.

There will be a few two factor alternatives on the new gathering so I get why he hasn't tried coding them for this one, yet in the event that the new discussion is still 1+ years away I figure it would be advantageous executing asap. Requiring email check would be another progression in restricting or backing off record cultivating as it's simply one more band to bounce through.Should be Checked the interset rate of every members.

Anyone notice anything wrong with this post?

Yes. And I would have reported it, but given that you've seen it already, I didn't. Why didn't you delete it? He's banned already.
Here's another wall of random words from the same user. His post quality is exactly what this topic is about, and he doesn't even know it.

[readygoaw]

Signature is something that identifies a person, so I would have left it too. Just need to install fewer symbols so that a person does not waste time thinking.

[LoyceV]

Signature is something that identifies a person, so I would have left it too. Just need to install fewer symbols so that a person does not waste time thinking.

Are you a bot?

[audaciousbeing]

A couple of ideas that have been floating around in my head:
1. To attain ranks above Member, you'd have to earn some number of merit points. Merit points would be awarded in a monthly vote on best posts of the previous month, with various measures (TBD) to prevent gaming of the vote. Winning merit points might also come with a BTC prize.

2. Create or designate some sections as "serious discussion" sections, with no signatures. In those sections or maybe in different ones, also have poster restrictions such as Member rank or above only. And/or allow topic-creators to set these restrictions on their topics, similar to selfmod topics.

What do you think of these ideas, and what other ideas do people have?

I am actually happy that we are really having a discussion about this. But truth be told, even implementing the whole of the suggestions by people, will not solve all of our problems rather it would only mitigate it to a large extent and I would suggest that after the thread has gathered enough contributions, actions point should be sorted based on opinions that have been expressed then we can all vote on which line of actions because not everyone can be heard the same way not everyone can have something to say.

The issue of member rank before posting should be that people below certain ranks, should not be allowed to post outside certain section of the forum maybe beginners and help and the point to be garnered should be on completion of some tasks such as reading and understanding the forum rules, unwritten rules, what could interpret as untrustworthy actions etc.

[Jet Cash]

The issue of member rank before posting should be that people below certain ranks, should not be allowed to post outside certain section of the forum maybe beginners and help and the point to be garnered should be on completion of some tasks such as reading and understanding the forum rules, unwritten rules, what could interpret as untrustworthy actions etc.

Restricting new accounts to the beginners forum could be helpful. Maybe there should be a 50 post minimum before posters can spam the discussion forum.

[criptix]

A couple of ideas that have been floating around in my head:
1. To attain ranks above Member, you'd have to earn some number of merit points. Merit points would be awarded in a monthly vote on best posts of the previous month, with various measures (TBD) to prevent gaming of the vote. Winning merit points might also come with a BTC prize.

2. Create or designate some sections as "serious discussion" sections, with no signatures. In those sections or maybe in different ones, also have poster restrictions such as Member rank or above only. And/or allow topic-creators to set these restrictions on their topics, similar to selfmod topics.

What do you think of these ideas, and what other ideas do people have?

I am actually happy that we are really having a discussion about this. But truth be told, even implementing the whole of the suggestions by people, will not solve all of our problems rather it would only mitigate it to a large extent and I would suggest that after the thread has gathered enough contributions, actions point should be sorted based on opinions that have been expressed then we can all vote on which line of actions because not everyone can be heard the same way not everyone can have something to say.

The issue of member rank before posting should be that people below certain ranks, should not be allowed to post outside certain section of the forum maybe beginners and help and the point to be garnered should be on completion of some tasks such as reading and understanding the forum rules, unwritten rules, what could interpret as untrustworthy actions etc.

no votings please - here a people that run around with hundreds of accounts 

[Miiike]

How about "simply" enhancing the "report to moderator" feature? First, allow me to ask a question to mods: when we pressed that button, does mods manually verify if the reported post is truly a spam or does it happen rather automatically?

If mods are manually verifying them, is is possible to make a rule where if a user get five consecutive accurate spam report, they get permaban?

If those reports are verified automatically, is it possible to set a condition where upon 10 or 20 users reported someone's post, they got marked and after 3 marks in one week, they're out.

Furthermore, (suggested by someone on previous page, just recycling) could we automatically delete the permabanned user's entire posts? That way, it won't be an eye sore to a thread.

This method will hopefully helps sweep away spam account as there are a lot of people working together.

As an addition, if we implemented this idea (and to cherish the idea of some "honorable member" like DT), maybe we can add a system where members with high report accuracy will have higher score, like if someone need to have 10 reports from "normal" member to be banned, a collection of five "100% accurate" member is enough to give him a temporary good bye.


Everybody here are aware of the existence of "ruled out" keywords on theymos' post, right?