I personally appreciate this move: making a trade's details transparent. It is great, and guys acting so conservative here and make objections and accuse parties of committing terrible things (scamming is terrible, isn't it?) are absolutely wrong (or they are scammers themselves
).
Their reasonings and my answers:
Objection 1- We have escrows, use them.
Answer(s):
- Escrows suck. Their legendary hero, @ognasty is an unstable, irrational person who is so close to fall in the scam valley unintentionally at first and
deliberately in the future. I tried him few hours ago, he ruined my trade by showing zero responsibility and commitment and acting like some
drunk, selfish joker who doesn't give a damn for his clients and just cares about the next 0.003 btc to buy a bottle of cheap vodka or something.
- Escrows cost money. And considering our micro trading habits, this is a considerable money.
- Escrows, here, do not engage in dispute resolution. They are not interested in the contract's details. They hold money and pray for nothing bad
being happening and in the situations that god doesn't cooperate and something unusual happens, they are nothing more than a frustrated, useless
person who begs for the nightmare to end.
Objection 2- This is irrelevant, people are not interested in your trade details, we are not used to other than WTS/WTB shit, ...
Answer:
- On the contrary, this post is one of the most relevant ones in this subforum ever, imo. I found a useful template for trading preorders here and I'm
grateful and have to say thanks to the OP:
Thank you MrWan for transparency and sharing your experience here. Objection 3- This is useless, and has no legal effect.
Answer(s):
- It is a public forum. While it is not a court, people can judge each other, granting/revoking credit to/from a member and this way, they can
reduce scam risks and the need for escrows or at least decrease the load and sensitivities ( which I believe have made someone like
@ognasty an unreliable, crazy drunk
)
- This is a 'document'. Two members (one being a newbie, tho) are providing a reference for future use, in case they may find it necessary. Non of
the parties want to go to a court, but even in that case, this document is good enough to be used as an evidence.
Objection 4- OP is noob, They are suspected to be scammers by default
Answer(s):
- Not all fresh accounts are made just to commit fraud. Be open and have good faith, for the god sake, it is a dynamic community and is growing up
very fast. catch up!
- Nah sayers, have missed a single but very important point here. MrWan, the OP, is noob but Jenia1 is senior member. The thing is MrWan is the
buyer, he is paying money in advance, he needs protection and Jenia is using her/his credit in this forum to convince MrWan. I believe it
works!
Lets focus on my last argument a bit more:
Personally I don't trade my Id here in bitcointalk and won't jeopardize my reputation for a few thousand bucks, do you? Besides my principals and commitment to my parents' educations and expectations and from a sole economical point of view, my Id worths a lot more than 10k$. You know why?
I'm a programmer and I earn more than 40$/h (which is a LOT, here in Iran
) and if you check my posts, you can see I have spent a lot of time writing them (considering the fact that English is not my first language, it is even harder to compose a post like this for me). So my Id and my reputation in this forum have cost me how much? I tell you: it is not less than 50K$.
Being a scam or an educated, cultured person a senior member here in this site has an asset that worths tens of dollars: her/his Id! It is more than feasible to use this asset to secure their trade just like a mortgage. And this is what MrWan has understood and is leveraging as lubricant for his trust issues in this trade.
Theoretically speaking, I'm mentioning the term 'social capital' here. You can just google it and find out how important is this for our ecosystem and community to lubricate trade and reduce escrow costs, risks and complications which at this very moment is a complete bottleneck of its own.
Again: Thank you MrWan for your innovative approach to trade here, and welcome to our community. Cheers.
