Kouye
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August 10, 2013, 03:17:17 PM |
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Would there be any way that the seller of the blockerruptors (friedcat?) would give you the block eruptors you paid for? I know that fraud takes place in these forums all the time but it seems that this one was unavoidable. The way that they were being sold meant you needed to place trust in one person and escrow wasn't easy or practical. Has anyone tried emailing him make him aware of the situation. If I were him I'd feel partly responsible for your loss and I'm sure a few blockeruptors wouldn't break his bank when I'm sure it has for a lot of you guys.
Sorry if this is a stupid suggestion or it has been done already, it just seems investigation is becoming stale and it's not looking good.
That is complete bullshit, sorry. Serious group-buyers use escrow. The rest get scammed. Period. This is completely outrageous to suggest that (one of ?) the only asics provider with real stock should cover for a scam involving his products ? You want him to pay for all the AM shares scams, too ? You pissed me off, there. |
[OVER] RIDDLES 2nd edition --- this was claimed. Look out for 3rd edition! I won't ever ask for a loan nor offer any escrow service. If I do, please consider my account as hacked. |
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John (John K.)
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August 10, 2013, 03:52:22 PM |
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PS: I scammer-tagged him to prevent him changing any details (posts etc).
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August 10, 2013, 04:16:03 PM |
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PS: I scammer-tagged him to prevent him changing any details (posts etc).
Please also tag scammer EuropeanMiner. It would be nice if there is possible to restore all of the posts he made while preparing his scam. He deleted most of them after he was exposed. Profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=136036For now I beleive it is just an alt of the vdragon, and there are more of his alts out there possible. route |
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Dougie
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August 10, 2013, 10:17:00 PM |
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That is complete bullshit, sorry.
Serious group-buyers use escrow. The rest get scammed. Period.
This is completely outrageous to suggest that (one of ?) the only asics provider with real stock should cover for a scam involving his products ?
You want him to pay for all the AM shares scams, too ?
You pissed me off, there.
I don't understand how escrow could have been used in this case. The seller needs the money to send the product so either you trust the main group buyer with all the money and then all of the products before sending them out or you send the money to an escrow, they send to the seller and the main group buyer still has to be trusted with all of the products before mailing them out to the group buyers. Please clarify my outrageous line of thought if I'm wrong. As far as I know all of the block eruptors go to one address. |
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Kouye
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August 10, 2013, 10:28:32 PM |
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I don't understand how escrow could have been used in this case. The seller needs the money to send the product so either you trust the main group buyer with all the money and then all of the products before sending them out or you send the money to an escrow, they send to the seller and the main group buyer still has to be trusted with all of the products before mailing them out to the group buyers. Please clarify my outrageous line of thought if I'm wrong. As far as I know all of the block eruptors go to one address.
True. Escrow could do nothing but make sure the order is actually executed. That is still better than what happened here, though, as the scammer would have to get rid - or mine with - the eruptors, instead of getting a load of bitcoins he can instantly convert to cash. Probably makes things easier in case legal actions are taken, too. Still does not fix the issue, I agree, and apologize. But that's not the part that made me mad.  |
[OVER] RIDDLES 2nd edition --- this was claimed. Look out for 3rd edition! I won't ever ask for a loan nor offer any escrow service. If I do, please consider my account as hacked. |
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John (John K.)
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August 11, 2013, 11:43:51 AM |
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PS: I scammer-tagged him to prevent him changing any details (posts etc).
Please also tag scammer EuropeanMiner. It would be nice if there is possible to restore all of the posts he made while preparing his scam. He deleted most of them after he was exposed. Profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=136036For now I beleive it is just an alt of the vdragon, and there are more of his alts out there possible. route He's already banned by some other mod/admin here. I don't understand how escrow could have been used in this case. The seller needs the money to send the product so either you trust the main group buyer with all the money and then all of the products before sending them out or you send the money to an escrow, they send to the seller and the main group buyer still has to be trusted with all of the products before mailing them out to the group buyers. Please clarify my outrageous line of thought if I'm wrong. As far as I know all of the block eruptors go to one address.
True. Escrow could do nothing but make sure the order is actually executed. That is still better than what happened here, though, as the scammer would have to get rid - or mine with - the eruptors, instead of getting a load of bitcoins he can instantly convert to cash. Probably makes things easier in case legal actions are taken, too. Still does not fix the issue, I agree, and apologize. But that's not the part that made me mad. Well, if a partial escrow was used here, you guys would have the location where the products were sent to, and probably his ID and stuff if he choose to verify them with the escrower. Not to mention that he'll have a PITA trying to liquidate the miners as we're a small community anyway. |
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Xer0 (OP)
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August 11, 2013, 12:34:37 PM |
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For now I beleive it is just an alt of the vdragon, and there are more of his alts out there possible. "gapthemind" was an alt, too. never logged on again after questionaired |
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John (John K.)
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August 11, 2013, 12:43:46 PM |
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For now I beleive it is just an alt of the vdragon, and there are more of his alts out there possible. "gapthemind" was an alt, too. never logged on again after questionaired Nope, no leads on that AFAICT. |
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Xer0 (OP)
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August 11, 2013, 01:10:37 PM |
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he provided SEPA data after requested dozen times, reacted bitchy
and said he "had something better to do" ... whith a loss of 3000$ !
then he dissapeared after asked for a scan/screen of his transaction
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Tursk
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August 11, 2013, 01:41:47 PM |
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My guess is that both gapthemind and vdragon were accounts stolen or bought from their original owners. Look at gapthemind's posting history. That account posted only on some political ramblings threads, then stopped posting in April. Over three months later there's this post in July: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=252180.msg2730823#msg2730823Gapthemind's post has this strange tone like it's the most important thing his partial departure won't ruin this group buy. Within 15 minutes vdragon has replied although it should be 1am in Hungary. All is forgiven when this buyer so humbly apologises and money is paid back. Oops, gapthemind supposedly paid with SEPA transfer, but is getting BTC back. Where can you buy baby food with BTC? |
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r3wt
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August 11, 2013, 01:50:56 PM |
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you didn't get this from me
skype: stefansofia
location: sofia, bulgaria
known aliases: BitcointalkAccounts, Blazr, scotaloo
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My negative trust rating is reflective of a personal vendetta by someone on default trust.
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DiamondCardz
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August 11, 2013, 01:59:37 PM |
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skype: stefansofia
location: sofia, bulgaria
known aliases: BitcointalkAccounts, Blazr, scotaloo
You mean BTCTalkAccounts? That fucker... |
BA Computer Science, University of Oxford
Dissertation was about threat modelling on distributed ledgers.
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r3wt
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August 11, 2013, 02:01:18 PM |
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skype: stefansofia
location: sofia, bulgaria
known aliases: BitcointalkAccounts, Blazr, scotaloo
You mean BTCTalkAccounts? That fucker... tip of the iceberg |
My negative trust rating is reflective of a personal vendetta by someone on default trust.
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DiamondCardz
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August 11, 2013, 02:15:27 PM |
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skype: stefansofia
location: sofia, bulgaria
known aliases: BitcointalkAccounts, Blazr, scotaloo
You mean BTCTalkAccounts? That fucker... tip of the iceberg I'm fully aware. |
BA Computer Science, University of Oxford
Dissertation was about threat modelling on distributed ledgers.
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kuusj98
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August 12, 2013, 07:40:46 AM |
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Haha Danny I saw it on YouTube, you explained it pretty good. You have so many stuff, do you even have space to live in your house?  Kiddin mate, I love your videos. I lost all of my BTC, well, I still have 0.001 but thats rubbish. I dont think we wil ever see our BTC back, we should have not trusted people from eastern Europe, I know it sounds hard but it is commonly known here that there are only scams to be found in eastern europe... I looked over the original tread again, and noticed a red flag: He first said he had a Audi A6 but a few posts later he said he doesnt have a A6 but A A4, Im sure everyone knows which can he has or no? |
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kuusj98
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August 12, 2013, 07:43:53 AM |
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skype: stefansofia
location: sofia, bulgaria
known aliases: BitcointalkAccounts, Blazr, scotaloo
You mean BTCTalkAccounts? That fucker... What do you guys mean? |
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DannysCam
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August 12, 2013, 09:50:24 AM |
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Haha Danny I saw it on YouTube, you explained it pretty good. You have so many stuff, do you even have space to live in your house? Kiddin mate, I love your videos. I lost all of my BTC, well, I still have 0.001 but thats rubbish. I dont think we wil ever see our BTC back, we should have not trusted people from eastern Europe, I know it sounds hard but it is commonly known here that there are only scams to be found in eastern europe... I looked over the original tread again, and noticed a red flag: He first said he had a Audi A6 but a few posts later he said he doesnt have a A6 but A A4, Im sure everyone knows which can he has or no? true but we would have never noticed that unless we had a problem looking back im sure we will find alot of things like that... |
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r3wt
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August 12, 2013, 09:59:04 AM |
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skype: stefansofia
location: sofia, bulgaria
known aliases: BitcointalkAccounts, Blazr, scotaloo
You mean BTCTalkAccounts? That fucker... What do you guys mean? this guy/group is a well known group of scammers. the name "stefan" is a likely fake identity they assume to carry out their operations. we've been tracking these guys(along with several others) for along time. |
My negative trust rating is reflective of a personal vendetta by someone on default trust.
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nomnomnom
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August 13, 2013, 10:53:20 PM |
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Hey what's going on here, I am pretty sure I saw a post yesterday
from "Blazr" that is gone now. Someone deleting posts?
Was something like: he just did some coding work for those guys,
then got hacked by them, so he is not saying much anymore.
And he said that r3wt was also somehow part of this.
wtf?
Whatever, I just wanted to say that I don't think that vdragon
was a bought account. I read ALL his fucking posts. And his posting
style is pretty consistent since he made the account in Feb.
But ofc one can never be 100% sure...
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