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July 27, 2013, 04:57:08 PM
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In the past I've seen a couple of forum members advertise 3D printing services and I was curious to know if anyone of you advertising a 3D printing service would be willing to print me out the 3D printable handgun known as The Liberator and ship to the address I'll send you? The only issue is that I live in the states and the distribution of the STL files to print this gun is illegal and I'm assuming so might be the gun if anyone here is willing to print me the item and shipt it to me let me know in PM.

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July 27, 2013, 05:35:42 PM
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i have asked people to print AR lowers. they are all to pussy. i offered good money, too.

they are too scared and don't understand gun law.

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July 27, 2013, 07:07:41 PM
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hmmm interesting but i dont think it would be worth it from the UK XD

on the other hand i can understand people not wanting to do it as who knows you could be some pissed of kid that wants to shoot someone in the heat of the moment

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July 27, 2013, 09:48:11 PM
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Well I can assure you all I won't go on a killing spree. I jut want the gun for show. It doesn't need to be shipped assembled. I can assemble it upon arrival.

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July 27, 2013, 09:49:27 PM
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I have enough money to purchase a 3D printer and simply print it myself since I have the STL files to do so, but I don't want to have to purchase a printer in order to obtain it. That's the purpose of businesses.

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July 28, 2013, 10:43:15 PM
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i have asked people to print AR lowers. they are all to pussy. i offered good money, too.

they are too scared and don't understand gun law.

I don't think YOU understand gun law. For them to legally print AND DISTRIBUTE a lower receiver also known legally as a "gun", they would need to have a weapons manufacturing license, and the guns would have to be issued serial numbers. What you are asking them to do is tantamount to shipping a gun in the mail without a FFL. The only way printing a gun is legal is if you do it yourself and it is not transferred out of state or to another party. This smells like a fishing expedition to me.

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July 29, 2013, 06:41:18 AM
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How the hell are authorities going to know there's a weapon in the box? It's plastic!

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July 29, 2013, 12:09:00 PM
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i have asked people to print AR lowers. they are all to pussy. i offered good money, too.

they are too scared and don't understand gun law.

I don't think YOU understand gun law. For them to legally print AND DISTRIBUTE a lower receiver also known legally as a "gun", they would need to have a weapons manufacturing license, and the guns would have to be issued serial numbers. What you are asking them to do is tantamount to shipping a gun in the mail without a FFL. The only way printing a gun is legal is if you do it yourself and it is not transferred out of state or to another party. This smells like a fishing expedition to me.

personal production of a firearm using someone else's equipment is totally legal. you ever here of gun making parties?

also there are ways to ship it in parts, as the plastic used can easily be fused together again. this wouldn't even require an FFL.

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September 02, 2013, 10:48:54 AM
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This is all very funny to me.
Has anyone realized that a plastic explode and break when you try to use it?
What kind of rubber band firing bolt would you use? Or the firing pin?
Suppose you add a metal spring, and metal firing pin... you still have a plastic liberator that will break.
If it is just for show, cool.
Nobody would be stupid enough to try to use a 3D printed gun made of plastic.
Much less try to take it into combat.

I have a 3D printer, and I can print random parts, and I don't even need to know nor do I care what it is I am printing.
I can even drop it in the mail with no return address.  Not my problem.
I believe in freedom to make, keep, and bare arms.
However if it is made of plastic, it is a joke of a show peice.  Nothing more than a toy "replica".
So what do you need?

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September 02, 2013, 03:20:14 PM
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i have asked people to print AR lowers. they are all to pussy. i offered good money, too.

they are too scared and don't understand gun law.

I don't think YOU understand gun law. For them to legally print AND DISTRIBUTE a lower receiver also known legally as a "gun", they would need to have a weapons manufacturing license, and the guns would have to be issued serial numbers. What you are asking them to do is tantamount to shipping a gun in the mail without a FFL. The only way printing a gun is legal is if you do it yourself and it is not transferred out of state or to another party. This smells like a fishing expedition to me.

personal production of a firearm using someone else's equipment is totally legal. you ever here of gun making parties?

also there are ways to ship it in parts, as the plastic used can easily be fused together again. this wouldn't even require an FFL.
Why don't you re-read what he said?  Hint: The key word is distribute.

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September 02, 2013, 07:32:27 PM
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Just to clarify something out to help the op, all the laws regarding building the liberator may be valid for printing and distributing inside the US, but I'm pretty sure that you can get it printed in another country where it is not illegal and get it shipped to you...

While you are at it I would suggest you try to get the barrel printed in polycarbonate and the springs in nylon, that could make the liberator more durable since pc is tougher and nylon is more flexible than abs. I have a 3d printer but I'm not willing to do this, not for the legality since it does not apply to me, but for the details. There are a lot of parts to be printed and I wouldn't like to sell them unless they are perfect and I don't want to dedicate the amount of time needed to get the parts out in high def and no warp. Also I don't have nylon filament at hand.

But good luck on your search. Hopefully you will find someone up for the job.


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September 03, 2013, 06:30:33 AM
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In the past I've seen a couple of forum members advertise 3D printing services and I was curious to know if anyone of you advertising a 3D printing service would be willing to print me out the 3D printable handgun known as The Liberator and ship to the address I'll send you? The only issue is that I live in the states and the distribution of the STL files to print this gun is illegal and I'm assuming so might be the gun if anyone here is willing to print me the item and shipt it to me let me know in PM.


Distributing the STL is illegal? Wow, I must have missed that (I got it from the main download before it was blocked). I've got access to a 3D printer, but all it can print is little blobs at the moment (probably a firmware issue Tongue). Check if there's a hackerspace near you with a printer, they'd probably let you use it or even do it for you for a small fee (who knows, they might even take bitcoin!).

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September 03, 2013, 11:16:54 AM
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How the hell are authorities going to know there's a weapon in the box? It's plastic!

x-ray machines, have you heard of them?
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September 03, 2013, 06:31:00 PM
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How the hell are authorities going to know there's a weapon in the box? It's plastic!

x-ray machines, have you heard of them?

metal boxes, have you heard of them?
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September 03, 2013, 08:45:06 PM
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How the hell are authorities going to know there's a weapon in the box? It's plastic!

x-ray machines, have you heard of them?

metal boxes, have you heard of them?
I'm sure everyone has lead or tungsten boxes laying around of necessary thickness... Some people still seem to think mylar blocks the backscatter xray machines the USPS uses.... 



Anyways the fact of the matter is this is highly illegal.

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September 03, 2013, 08:50:45 PM
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I have printed my own AR-15 lower. I could print the Liberator, but I haven't taken the time. I can allow use of my printer over a remote connection, and provide verbal assistance operating the machine. You make what you like, I ship whatever chunks of plastic you print.

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September 05, 2013, 02:59:10 PM
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That got quiet...

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September 06, 2013, 04:57:50 AM
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I have printed my own AR-15 lower. I could print the Liberator, but I haven't taken the time. I can allow use of my printer over a remote connection, and provide verbal assistance operating the machine. You make what you like, I ship whatever chunks of plastic you print.

This would still be a crime because in essence even though he technically operates the machine, you still are transferred possession of the "firearm" (illegally) in order to ship it (another crime). This loophole you imagine is not so much of a loophole.

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September 06, 2013, 05:50:41 AM
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I am willing to print an 80% version of anything!
I see amazon will sell you an 80% lower.
So if you have a file for a 100% part, I can fill it in and make it into an 80 for you, and make the fill a different color.

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September 06, 2013, 06:49:28 AM
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I am willing to print an 80% version of anything!
I see amazon will sell you an 80% lower.
So if you have a file for a 100% part, I can fill it in and make it into an 80 for you, and make the fill a different color.

This practice has significant precedence. I am not a lawyer, but in my opinion you would be within the law doing this at least on a federal level. State to state regulations you would need to check local state, county, and city law.

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