@Yifu/Bitsyncom please dont hold back the chip shipment because of b3 miners...

[Tursk]

http://youtu.be/K8E_zMLCRNg

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[turtle83]

Let me paraphrase Yifu's potential response (hey im an optimistic) to this thread.

[Tursk]

Here is a photo of a chip form zefir's first batch, as far as i read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=264897.msg2833915#msg2833915

Does it mean this chip was produced in week 25? That was the week from june 17-23. That should be pretty solid proof that the chips are produced.

And here's another picture from the same zefir's batch #1
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=210186.msg2846188#msg2846188

Oddly enough, that chip is made on week 26. One would assume one small batch of 10,000 chips would come from the same order from the foundry, but apparently not.

[SebastianJu]

zefir's second batch now is 15 weeks and 1 day old. Thats 5 weeks later than promised! And i found bfl's 100 days chip delivery funny...

My first batch is 12 weeks old tomorrow too. Not as bad as zefir's buyers but come on...

[Kartaiv]

zefir's second batch now is 15 weeks and 1 day old. Thats 5 weeks later than promised! And i found bfl's 100 days chip delivery funny...

My first batch is 12 weeks old tomorrow too. Not as bad as zefir's buyers but come on...

Chip delays are getting ridiculous. The fact that early orders haven't even shipped yet is puzzling. The items are already packaged even. It's becoming clear that they are artificially delaying the chips, but why?

[Stack]

zefir's second batch now is 15 weeks and 1 day old. Thats 5 weeks later than promised! And i found bfl's 100 days chip delivery funny...

My first batch is 12 weeks old tomorrow too. Not as bad as zefir's buyers but come on...

Chip delays are getting ridiculous. The fact that early orders haven't even shipped yet is puzzling. The items are already packaged even. It's becoming clear that they are artificially delaying the chips, but why?

All I can think of is the reseller theory.. A reseller gets the early batches.. the supplier holds back to help the reseller achieve margin - since there's no competition

But.. that would be idiotic.. so it can't be... I mean.. I can't think of any reason that actually benefits them at all, besides their own mining operations - but as a manufacturer they'll never have trouble keeping up with the difficulty anyway... and continued business is surely more profitable than mining?

I mean essentially.. they could've just shipped the chips and concreted themselves a reputation as the go-to guys, and people would've ordered crazy qty's from them even despite other ASIC's becoming more powerful, simply because of security/assurance. But instead, they've delayed and now they're thrown into the "don't buy from" basket along with so many others - the next ASIC company to ship will destroy Avalon permanently.

[tiros]

Not sure why but I have a need to post this picture.



Anyone who don't find this post contributing is clearly missing a point.

[badalien]

no good news 

[dddbtc]

no good news 

Looks like a bunch of people with b3 no PSU Avalon's got tracking today

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=203745.720

While it might not seem like good news for us, it at least shows Avalon is making progress on their backlog of orders, hopefully approaching chip orders

[Tursk]

no good news 

Looks like a bunch of people with b3 no PSU Avalon's got tracking today

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=203745.720

While it might not seem like good news for us, it at least shows Avalon is making progress on their backlog of orders, hopefully approaching chip orders

Well, there's still trade-ins and refunds to process, so maybe after few weeks they'll start thinking about another monthly chip shipment.

Should have gone with bitfury 

[madmax_ger]

It seems like Bitsyncom = Yifu is wrapping every single order by hand himself.

Yifu, if you're not able to deliver, don't promise to.
If something went wrong, tell us.

Don't tell us to wait because we have to.
This feels like kindergarden.

Please stand your man, and tell us why we have to wait!

Don't forget YOU are sitting on OUR money.

[LordTheron]

Why don't we take legal action against Avalon for loss of earnings, misleading customers? They ware happy to take $14 million in preorders, and we paid for chips to be delivered within 9-10 weeks but they are not happy to deliver?  In western countries its called fraud or theft. There must be international trading law that Avalon is braking.

[nightengale]

I don't remember reading in the details provided by Avalon that there would be a 10 week lead time, with additional wait time possible if there were delays in shipping generation 2 & 3 Avalon miners... Another ASIC manufacturer getting bogged down in lies and deceit. 10 weeks is 10 weeks and we are now at 15 weeks. The ROI on these is quickly... very quickly slipping away. I sincerely hope that as better manufacturers get into the game, the community will set Yifu aside and snub him on any future offerings. This amateur-hour stuff was passable when there were no other players in the game -- hopefully things are changing.

[madmax_ger]

I don't remember reading in the details provided by Avalon that there would be a 10 week lead time, with additional wait time possible if there were delays in shipping generation 2 & 3 Avalon miners... Another ASIC manufacturer getting bogged down in lies and deceit. 10 weeks is 10 weeks and we are now at 15 weeks. The ROI on these is quickly... very quickly slipping away. I sincerely hope that as better manufacturers get into the game, the community will set Yifu aside and snub him on any future offerings. This amateur-hour stuff was passable when there were no other players in the game -- hopefully things are changing.

I still hope Avalon will deliver very soon.
But I guess Yifu doesn't listen to us.

I am really good in imagining things. Things like Yifu sitting with some escort girls in his brand new pool (low tech, fast delivery), smiling, chilling, smoking some good stuff from the 420 medicine shops. Yeah Yifu, you're the man.

Please, stop speculations about the different ways you might have scammed us, get your ass up and talk to your customers.

[tiros]

AVALON Chips TOS
http://store.avalon-asics.com/?page_id=9605

The no bullshit, no fine print terms of sale

1.    the only payment accepted is Bitcoin.
2.    these chips will be available until at least end of the year, 2013.
3.    spec and various information is available on the wiki
4.    the chips being sold are packaged and tested.
5.    the lead time on the chips is 9 to 10 weeks, OK, this means at least 9, and at most 10 weeks. Do your stuff, we did ours and our chips didn't arrive for a reason you didn't send them.
6.    made to order from TSMC foundry, this also means no refunds.
7.    the order quantity is 10,000 chips.
8.    the chips are identical to those in the Avalon units.
9.    communication protocol, reference board design can be found on github.
10.    everything will be open source from FPGA to PCB design..
11.    30 sample chips will be provided 4 weeks into ordering per 10,000 chips. And how many samples we got?
12.    we do not offer technical support of any kind, this is final.   That is crystal clear, what we want isn't technical support but reply on why deliveries are late and when you plan to ship the chips we paid. Apologies are welcome for braking your own terms of sales in spirit of good business practice and regaining the trust from your customers.
13.    if you do not know what to do with the reference design / packaged chips, please do not purchase. But we do thanks to you and DIY community. Please send our chips and abide by your own rules.

[eve]

The chip are shitty late, over 5 weeks late is not Acceptable. Next Time Don't Buy Anything from Avalon Group Buy or Directly. The middlemen who already make their money back from selling the chips will not accept responsibility.

[iikun]

AVALON Chips TOS
http://store.avalon-asics.com/?page_id=9605

The no bullshit, no fine print terms of sale

1.    the only payment accepted is Bitcoin.
2.    these chips will be available until at least end of the year, 2013.
3.    spec and various information is available on the wiki
4.    the chips being sold are packaged and tested.
5.    the lead time on the chips is 9 to 10 weeks, OK, this means at least 9, and at most 10 weeks. Do your stuff, we did ours and our chips didn't arrive for a reason you didn't send them.
6.    made to order from TSMC foundry, this also means no refunds.
7.    the order quantity is 10,000 chips.
8.    the chips are identical to those in the Avalon units.
9.    communication protocol, reference board design can be found on github.
10.    everything will be open source from FPGA to PCB design..
11.    30 sample chips will be provided 4 weeks into ordering per 10,000 chips. And how many samples we got?
12.    we do not offer technical support of any kind, this is final.   That is crystal clear, what we want isn't technical support but reply on why deliveries are late and when you plan to ship the chips we paid. Apologies are welcome for braking your own terms of sales in spirit of good business practice and regaining the trust from your customers.
13.    if you do not know what to do with the reference design / packaged chips, please do not purchase. But we do thanks to you and DIY community. Please send our chips and abide by your own rules.

+1 
I would even generously allow them an extra week for packaging & shipment prep but not even a peep as to why they are late or when they will be delivered is ridiculous. At least they explained the situation with their production line for B2 & B3, you'd think it would be a no brainer to send a 5 line email explaining things so that people didn't spam his phone & call him all hours of the night

[pikeadz]

The chip are shitty late, over 5 weeks late is not Acceptable. Next Time Don't Buy Anything from Avalon Group Buy or Directly. The middlemen who already make their money back from selling the chips will not accept responsibility.

5 weeks is nothing.  Par for the course is 4-5 month wait for batch 2 and 3 Avalons.  What's that you say?  These are chips and shouldn't take as long to ship?  That's what we all said with Batches 2 and 3:  "Oh they already have a supply chain, manufacturing and shipping process in place, they'll ship these out faster than batch 1."  Nope.  You will wait like the rest of us did, and it sucks.  But that's Avalon for you.  Just be patient.

[Ytterbium]

Well, they just got a $200m investment. Hopefully they'll be able to provide compensation for everyone who's orders were delayed

[iikun]

Well, they just got a $200m investment. Hopefully they'll be able to provide compensation for everyone who's orders were delayed

The USD200m story appears to be misreported FUD about Avalon Ventures, which is different from BitSynCom llc (company name is not Avalon)