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July 07, 2011, 01:00:35 PM
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Can a moderator please delete the teenager " assassination market"  posts?  I agree this guy's an asshole and I'd love to see him disciplined or disbarred for making a trademark claim in bad faith (not that that's likely), but can we please try to maintain at least a veneer of morality here?

You people posting assassination market posts fail to realize that it's not a funny joke.  I'm sure your teenage friends are laughing it up, but in the grown-up world we're disgusted.

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July 07, 2011, 01:04:40 PM
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Can a moderator please delete the teenager " assassination market"  posts?

 in the grown-up world we're disgusted.

Can a mod delete the facist censorship posts? In the free world, it's censorship that disgusts us most.

(And yes I do see the irony in this post)

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July 07, 2011, 01:07:18 PM
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Really?  Censorship disgusts you more than calls for murder?  I guess that sums up your character.

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July 07, 2011, 01:11:25 PM
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Really?  Censorship disgusts you more than calls for murder?  I guess that sums up your character.

Pretty much. I can't think of anything more vile.

I think people should be free to call for murder any time, any place... it's just speech, not violence.


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July 07, 2011, 01:11:48 PM
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maybe we can just avoid all this nonsense - change the name - and do it right this time.

Bah. Honestly it would be seriously counter to the spirit of Bitcoin if we trademarked the name. No one person should hold licensing rights to a decentralized currency that we all helped build.

I agree.  The Apache folks created a foundation to hold some of their trademarks and such but it just rubs me the wrong way as bitcoin should remain as OS and decentralized as possible.

I'm still of the opinion that the trademark will not stand as bitcoin was already in common use well before this guy tried to TM it.

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July 07, 2011, 01:19:41 PM
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Can a moderator please delete the teenager " assassination market"  posts?  I agree this guy's an asshole and I'd love to see him disciplined or disbarred for making a trademark claim in bad faith (not that that's likely), but can we please try to maintain at least a veneer of morality here?

You people posting assassination market posts fail to realize that it's not a funny joke.  I'm sure your teenage friends are laughing it up, but in the grown-up world we're disgusted.
Personally I don't even see it as a joke, but as a good display of what people think and/or what their opinions/morals are. Should his post be deleted because you don't agree with him? Should his post be deleted because it shows the 'bad' side of a person?

As a 'grown-up', you should be able to deal with seeing the less nice side of a person, even if it offends you. Noone is forcing you to look and stare at that post.

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July 07, 2011, 01:28:56 PM
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Just to be clear, I'm not concerned about whether it offends me or not.  I think it should be deleted because:

1.  It's bad for Bitcoin.

2.  You're threatening an actual person, with family, maybe kids, etc.  He may be an asshole, but he doesn't deserve to have his life threatened. 

It's funny, you cry fascism, but in many ways your absolutist world view and view on violent speech closely mirrors the *real-life* fascism I came face to face with in ex-Yugoslavia in the 1990s.

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July 07, 2011, 01:36:11 PM
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violent speech

Unless you're taking a megaphone to someone eardrum, I don't believe there exists such a thing.

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July 07, 2011, 01:36:22 PM
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Can a moderator please delete the teenager " assassination market"  posts?  I agree this guy's an asshole and I'd love to see him disciplined or disbarred for making a trademark claim in bad faith (not that that's likely), but can we please try to maintain at least a veneer of morality here?

You people posting assassination market posts fail to realize that it's not a funny joke.  I'm sure your teenage friends are laughing it up, but in the grown-up world we're disgusted.

I agree with you that that post is over the line, and I wish blitz hadn't of made it.  Of course, it's up to the mods what to do with it, if anything.  And, just to be clear, I think the lawyer is definitely a douche.
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July 07, 2011, 01:39:21 PM
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violent speech

Unless you're taking a megaphone to someone eardrum, I don't believe there exists such a thing.


If that were a true threat of violence it would not be protected speech under the first amendment.  I think, however, that blitz's post, in context, would be considered hyperbolic, and, thus, protected.
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July 07, 2011, 01:40:37 PM
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I dont think people could get a joke if it shat right on their head.

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July 07, 2011, 02:01:44 PM
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Just to be clear, I'm not concerned about whether it offends me or not.  I think it should be deleted because:

1.  It's bad for Bitcoin.

2.  You're threatening an actual person, with family, maybe kids, etc.  He may be an asshole, but he doesn't deserve to have his life threatened. 

It's funny, you cry fascism, but in many ways your absolutist world view and view on violent speech closely mirrors the *real-life* fascism I came face to face with in ex-Yugoslavia in the 1990s.

Well said.
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July 07, 2011, 02:08:46 PM
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I think that you guys are really overreacting.  It's as likely as not, that this lawyer trademarked Bitcoin in defense of the bitcoin community, before anyone else with ill intent did so.  After all, there are lawyers on this forum.  Perhaps there was an unaddressed legal threat there, that this lawyer knew that he could do something about.  Has anyone bothered to ask him his intent?  It's not like his email address isn't all over his website.  He's certainly not anonymous.

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July 07, 2011, 02:39:29 PM
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I think that you guys are really overreacting.  It's as likely as not, that this lawyer trademarked Bitcoin in defense of the bitcoin community, before anyone else with ill intent did so.  After all, there are lawyers on this forum.  Perhaps there was an unaddressed legal threat there, that this lawyer knew that he could do something about.  Has anyone bothered to ask him his intent?  It's not like his email address isn't all over his website.  He's certainly not anonymous.
Did you read his response on Slashdot? It certainly didn't sound like someone trying to represent the interest of the community.

EDIT: Disregard, I meant ycombinator.

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July 07, 2011, 02:57:12 PM
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Chill out men!
If this lawyer claims that no one can prove they transact with bitcoins, then how can HE prove they did, in order to cash out from his claim?
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July 07, 2011, 03:05:38 PM
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Can a moderator please delete the teenager " assassination market"  posts? 

I fully agree.  This is perceived as an "official" forum. We should maket it clear that the vast majority of the bitcoin community utterly condemns the initiation of violence.

What is needed is an ostracism market.   

If being an asshole (even if technically legal) hurt people's and corporations' reputation more it would also hurt their business.  Then they would think twice about being assholes.

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July 07, 2011, 03:06:43 PM
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maybe he got in at 30, is in a shitload of debt, and this is his last ditch effort to drive the price up

Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex and more violent. It takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.
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July 07, 2011, 03:07:56 PM
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I think that you guys are really overreacting.  It's as likely as not, that this lawyer trademarked Bitcoin in defense of the bitcoin community, before anyone else with ill intent did so.  After all, there are lawyers on this forum.  Perhaps there was an unaddressed legal threat there, that this lawyer knew that he could do something about.  Has anyone bothered to ask him his intent?  It's not like his email address isn't all over his website.  He's certainly not anonymous.


Do you really belive that?  Do you seriously think someone who had intentions of 'protecting' Bitcoin would do so without saying anything to any one? And, would they be so defensive to respond with this, http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2737435

For a well educated lawyer type his spelling and grammar sure went all to hell in his response..

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July 07, 2011, 03:09:52 PM
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We should maket it clear that the vast majority of the bitcoin community utterly condemns the initiation of violence.

Absolutely. I utterly condemn the initiation of violence.

But feel free to talk about it Smiley

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July 07, 2011, 03:12:32 PM
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I think that you guys are really overreacting.  It's as likely as not, that this lawyer trademarked Bitcoin in defense of the bitcoin community, before anyone else with ill intent did so. 

No he didn't. His intentions are perfectly clear from the snooty response he posted.

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