YES, you can get a REFUND from BFL

[Lohoris]

What a bunch of scumbags. Plain and simple.

True, but people keep giving them money and refuse to sue them, so it's their fault too: they fuel them.

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[Bicknellski]

What a bunch of scumbags. Plain and simple.

True, but people keep giving them money and refuse to sue them, so it's their fault too: they fuel them.

If only companies and this very forum followed some sort of guidelines or code of ethics right? http://www.bbb.org/us/bbb-code-of-advertising/

Code:

1. The primary responsibility for truthful and non-deceptive advertising rests with the advertiser. 
Advertisers should be prepared to substantiate any claims or offers made before publication or 
broadcast and, upon request, present such substantiation promptly to the advertising medium 
or the Better Business Bureau.

2. Advertisements which are untrue, misleading, deceptive, fraudulent, falsely disparaging of competitors, 
or insincere offers to sell, shall not be used.

3. An advertisement as a whole may be misleading although every sentence separately considered is literally 
true. Misrepresentation may result not only from direct statements but by omitting or obscuring a material fact.
 

[finlof]

refund received this week.  see my method here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=295187.msg3350757#msg3350757

[Fjordbit]

I've been trying to help my friend through this process, and it has hit a problem I haven't seen before. Paypal sided with my friend and said that BFL needed to refund the money. BFL has marked his order as cancelled in their system. Now Paypal tried to get the money back to send to my friend, but there was no money in the account they were drawing on. This is the letter that Paypal sent to my friend.

Hello *** ******,

The refund sent by Sonny Vleisides (office@butterflylabs.com) did not clear from the sender's bank. You have not received funds for this payment in your PayPal account.

Please contact Sonny Vleisides regarding this refund.




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Refund details:
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Amount: $****** USD
Sender: Sonny Vleisides
Sender's email: office@butterflylabs.com
Transaction ID: ********
Transaction date: Oct 11, 2013

Anyone have any ideas on where to go from here? He kind of feel like this is like issuing a bad check and thinks that there might be some kind of attorney general he could go to.

[rpg]

contact me via PM if you want a refund from Paypal. No promises as I don't approve refunds but is your best shot

[surebet]

I've been trying to help my friend through this process, and it has hit a problem I haven't seen before. Paypal sided with my friend and said that BFL needed to refund the money. BFL has marked his order as cancelled in their system. Now Paypal tried to get the money back to send to my friend, but there was no money in the account they were drawing on. This is the letter that Paypal sent to my friend.

Hello *** ******,

The refund sent by Sonny Vleisides (office@butterflylabs.com) did not clear from the sender's bank. You have not received funds for this payment in your PayPal account.

Please contact Sonny Vleisides regarding this refund.




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Refund details:
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Amount: $****** USD
Sender: Sonny Vleisides
Sender's email: office@butterflylabs.com
Transaction ID: ********
Transaction date: Oct 11, 2013

Anyone have any ideas on where to go from here? He kind of feel like this is like issuing a bad check and thinks that there might be some kind of attorney general he could go to.

Either the bank account which gets drawn from for that Paypal account is empty/doesn't have enough fund, or they straight up closed it.

Are we talking Jalapeno money here or multi mini rig?

[Lohoris]

contact me via PM if you want a refund from Paypal. No promises as I don't approve refunds but is your best shot

what is this?

[Fjordbit]

Are we talking Jalapeno money here or multi mini rig?

It's under $600.

[Lucky - Luciano]

You are officially now a verb. and not a bad one at that

He's a verb and Josh is a subject. Or object. Or tool

See: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Inaba

   I just now saw this message. Ah, I laughed . Well done.

[LostDutchman]

You are officially now a verb. and not a bad one at that

He's a verb and Josh is a subject. Or object. Or tool

See: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Inaba

   I just now saw this message. Ah, I laughed . Well done.

That one made me laugh so I had to take another pain pil to keep my incision from opening up!

[ionstorm]

Has anyone successfully sued bfl?  I'm wondering if I can sue locally in small claims or if I have to fly to Kansas?  I paid in bitcoin and they refuse to refund.

[southerngentuk]

Has anyone successfully sued bfl?  I'm wondering if I can sue locally in small claims or if I have to fly to Kansas?  I paid in bitcoin and they refuse to refund.

There has been threads, but little interest. Feel free to try again, there maybe more interest now we are well passed the September failure.

I would personally join in, however we need some legal connections in the US which I am not..

[Lucky - Luciano]

Today I filed a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission. I took care to explain the appeal well. I could not remember service through which went bitcoin payments (service that is our BTC converted to USD when buying BFL ASIC miners).Does anyone know the name of this service?

[BTCscraper]

Today I filed a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission. I took care to explain the appeal well. I could not remember service through which went bitcoin payments (service that is our BTC converted to USD when buying BFL ASIC miners).Does anyone know the name of this service?

Bitpay?

[MooC Tals]

All one has to do to stop Paypal refunds from hitting a bank account or credit card is to close the accounts.

Refunds then bounce back to Paypal and Paypal goes from there.

Move the money from one account to another and "POOF!"!

The above information is 100% correct and if you doubt me, check it out on your own!

Fact.

Won't that incur massive insufficient fund charges to the account BFL owns?

That is anywhere around 25-45 dollars a transaction depending on the bank, Correct?

[MooC Tals]

I've been trying to help my friend through this process, and it has hit a problem I haven't seen before. Paypal sided with my friend and said that BFL needed to refund the money. BFL has marked his order as cancelled in their system. Now Paypal tried to get the money back to send to my friend, but there was no money in the account they were drawing on. This is the letter that Paypal sent to my friend.

Hello *** ******,

The refund sent by Sonny Vleisides (office@butterflylabs.com) did not clear from the sender's bank. You have not received funds for this payment in your PayPal account.

Please contact Sonny Vleisides regarding this refund.




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Refund details:
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Amount: $****** USD
Sender: Sonny Vleisides
Sender's email: office@butterflylabs.com
Transaction ID: ********
Transaction date: Oct 11, 2013

Anyone have any ideas on where to go from here? He kind of feel like this is like issuing a bad check and thinks that there might be some kind of attorney general he could go to.

Ha this proves it. Does it not? BFL has officially run out of money or ran off with the money.

-speculation

[pontiacg5]

I live like 30 minutes from BFL, but didn't fall for their scam at any point so no dog in the fight. Don't know if I could help anyone bring legal action against them (small claims?) but would be willing to help.

[Fjordbit]

I've been trying to help my friend through this process, and it has hit a problem I haven't seen before. Paypal sided with my friend and said that BFL needed to refund the money. BFL has marked his order as cancelled in their system. Now Paypal tried to get the money back to send to my friend, but there was no money in the account they were drawing on. This is the letter that Paypal sent to my friend.

Hello *** ******,

The refund sent by Sonny Vleisides (office@butterflylabs.com) did not clear from the sender's bank. You have not received funds for this payment in your PayPal account.

Please contact Sonny Vleisides regarding this refund.




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Refund details:
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Amount: $****** USD
Sender: Sonny Vleisides
Sender's email: office@butterflylabs.com
Transaction ID: ********
Transaction date: Oct 11, 2013

Anyone have any ideas on where to go from here? He kind of feel like this is like issuing a bad check and thinks that there might be some kind of attorney general he could go to.

Just as an update to this, sometime last week, the account got money in it and my friend was paid. He said that paypal just kept hitting the account (with the subsequent NSF charges, I'm sure) until there was money there.

[Bicknellski]

Ouch... that will add up.

[Inaba]

I've been trying to help my friend through this process, and it has hit a problem I haven't seen before. Paypal sided with my friend and said that BFL needed to refund the money. BFL has marked his order as cancelled in their system. Now Paypal tried to get the money back to send to my friend, but there was no money in the account they were drawing on. This is the letter that Paypal sent to my friend.

Hello *** ******,

The refund sent by Sonny Vleisides (office@butterflylabs.com) did not clear from the sender's bank. You have not received funds for this payment in your PayPal account.

Please contact Sonny Vleisides regarding this refund.




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Refund details:
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Amount: $****** USD
Sender: Sonny Vleisides
Sender's email: office@butterflylabs.com
Transaction ID: ********
Transaction date: Oct 11, 2013

Anyone have any ideas on where to go from here? He kind of feel like this is like issuing a bad check and thinks that there might be some kind of attorney general he could go to.

Just as an update to this, sometime last week, the account got money in it and my friend was paid. He said that paypal just kept hitting the account (with the subsequent NSF charges, I'm sure) until there was money there.

Except... none of it ever happened.  Cool story, though, bro!