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August 17, 2013, 04:44:53 PM |
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I have obtained the full list of their Bitcoin betting addresses from their javascript file. I then ran a script to calculate the total amount received.
You have obtained a list of BTC bet on-the-chain, you can also create an account, deposit BTC and bet off the chain faster (it's instant). The only thing you've proved is that you posses little to no reading abilities. And no, your little script is not the DDOS. Whoa! thats a lot of work for you to run that DB on the site out (PS:This is the DDos attack? CB owner i guess i shall be laughing)
TF: the Win he says is what he sent out, not really a win, Just like the win in the mind of DevinTheDev, it doesnt count it the wager. Plus he got on-site betting right??
Only two things are infinite.... I stand corrected and apologize for my previous post. If I was able to access your website non-sporadically, I'd have checked if bets could be made on-chain.
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August 17, 2013, 04:50:56 PM |
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I have obtained the full list of their Bitcoin betting addresses from their javascript file. I then ran a script to calculate the total amount received.
You have obtained a list of BTC bet on-the-chain, you can also create an account, deposit BTC and bet off the chain faster (it's instant). The only thing you've proved is that you posses little to no reading abilities. And no, your little script is not the DDOS. Whoa! thats a lot of work for you to run that DB on the site out (PS:This is the DDos attack? CB owner i guess i shall be laughing)
TF: the Win he says is what he sent out, not really a win, Just like the win in the mind of DevinTheDev, it doesnt count it the wager. Plus he got on-site betting right??
Only two things are infinite.... I stand corrected and apologize for my previous post. If I was able to access your website non-sporadically, I'd have checked if bets could be made on-chain. He bought ACCs for free ripples. This is completely off topic to casinobit.
It's on topic because people are questioning the integrity of this site. If accounts that post here were before involved on another heist obviously these people work together somehow. You two seem to work well answering the same question for one another. And both came up in connection with the groupbuy eruptors scam. The apple does not fall far from the tree. Anyway it's not my business. geez, TradeFortress + his shill puppets is almost as bad as this site
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August 17, 2013, 05:16:01 PM |
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Well folks - I thought I'd investigate whether this site is for real or not as there's too much risk of sock-puppetry going on here.
I've put in 1BTC and now have 3.6BTC.
I've put in a withdrawal attempt for 1BTC but the site is down due to the DDoS so I've emailed CasinoBit to make sure my transactions are executed (I'm away for a few days).
When I get back I'll let you all know if the withdrawal was successful.
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August 17, 2013, 06:16:56 PM |
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Here are the txid's of my four Casinobit transactions, two deposits and two withdrawals. https://blockchain.info/tx/3ae3615cb1b12cc7dabb912ae25db713778adb2d39837ade8a7e04732dd7d410https://blockchain.info/tx/58a30817dbd318f4dd8a76eee31c3c207355796b7b10d20024244ec085e4c724https://blockchain.info/tx/33815ddb64ffab5b220195e80a8130c17927cd644fb81694576fe9d08b5bc16chttps://blockchain.info/tx/1ef4a60ec4cb06541ec4b127d9437bcac69ec3351261b15a893d6db76882fce8Tradefortress, you can verify based on my inputs.io account that the withdrawal address is the same address that I sent money into inputs from (and then transferred over to Coinlenders). As all of you can see, I sent in 3 BTC, pulled out 6.11 BTC, sent in 3 BTC, pulled out 3.76 BTC. I still have 5.29 BTC sitting in Casinobit as well. I have been extremely open about all of my activity since joining this forum a month and a half ago, through the good and the bad. Call me stupid or too trusting or whatever, but I really don't appreciate having my integrity called into question (i.e. being called a shill). Thanks.
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August 17, 2013, 06:58:55 PM |
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This extremely high rate of profit for investors when compared to JustDice is extremely suspicious.
JustDice which should have a lot lower variance due to more volume - even loses money sometimes. This site should be losing money regularly. JustDice rarely returns 5%-10% per month.
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August 17, 2013, 07:01:31 PM |
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This extremely high rate of profit for investors when compared to JustDice is extremely suspicious.
JustDice which should have a lot lower variance due to more volume - even loses money sometimes. This site should be losing money regularly. JustDice rarely returns 5%-10% per month.
In this case house edge is almost 3X JD and the house could get wiped out on 1 winning bet unlike JD that never risk more than 1%. Higher risk with less investors = higher reward.
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August 17, 2013, 07:43:02 PM |
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This extremely high rate of profit for investors when compared to JustDice is extremely suspicious.
JustDice which should have a lot lower variance due to more volume - even loses money sometimes. This site should be losing money regularly. JustDice rarely returns 5%-10% per month.
In this case house edge is almost 3X JD and the house could get wiped out on 1 winning bet unlike JD that never risk more than 1%. Higher risk with less investors = higher reward. Also of note, profitability is dropping FAST. It's still outpacing JD by quite a bit, but when I first put in coins a couple days ago after seeing this thread the total site bankroll was <100, now it's >700. Partially to be expected as the house returns pile up and grow the roll (though much of these profits have been withdrawn), but there is also clearly a lot of dilution going on.
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August 17, 2013, 10:10:52 PM |
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I tripled my original investment of 0.42 BTC within the last few days, withdrew it and have re-invested a small sum to hopefully continue profiting! ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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August 18, 2013, 01:50:12 AM |
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Has anyone lost money yet? If not, then why not?
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August 18, 2013, 02:07:09 AM |
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Has anyone lost money yet? If not, then why not?
I have lost a couple. As the owner stated this isn't risk free.
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August 18, 2013, 02:07:50 AM |
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Has anyone lost money yet? If not, then why not?
Lost 1 BTC betting on the 0 when trying to figure how to cashout. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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August 18, 2013, 02:08:14 AM |
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Has anyone lost money yet? If not, then why not?
Down a little bit today from my high, like 0.02 BTC on 5.33. If the bets are generally small, one shouldn't see downward trends very often, law of large numbers and stuff...
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August 18, 2013, 02:17:21 AM |
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Well you shouldn't be seeing 100% profits if you aren't seeing 100% losses.
The fact that this subject is also "double your BTC in a week" is very suspicious.
It could be that they've set it up so you can risk most of the pool in a single bet, but in that case we should regularly see the entire betting pool disappear - is that happening?
Note: I'm not an investor or user of this or any other gambling website - so my interest here is purely scam detection.
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August 18, 2013, 03:10:21 AM |
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My first investment was up to 1.28 BTC, but someone made a big win shortly after that and I ended up withdrawing 1.1 BTC.
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August 18, 2013, 03:55:45 AM |
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Has anyone lost money yet? If not, then why not?
I have lost a couple. As the owner stated this isn't risk free. The investment itself is risk free (neither of you hyphenate "risk-free"?)
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August 18, 2013, 05:35:19 AM |
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I will check if I can do the above but it's quite ironic coming from you dooglus, especially since you have denied showing any proof of any bets whatsoever all while claiming that you do not want to sacrifice the privacy of your customers.
I was trying to help you out with my post, not trying to attack you. I provided a way you can prove that your operation is legit. It also happens to be the way that Just-Dice uses but that's not relevant, other than as a demonstration that it's possible. I was talking about how to demonstrate that you're not running a ponzi scheme. That's nothing to do with "proof of bets". Incidentally, I'm not sure how to prove whether bets are "real" or not. All 75 million bets on Just-Dice could have been placed by myself I guess. How could I prove otherwise? And who cares anyway, so long as I'm paying out investors their fair share of my losses?
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August 18, 2013, 09:08:43 AM |
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As the owner stated this isn't risk free.
The investment itself is risk free, it is only a matter of time until you've doubled what you've invested, the only risk is (and that should be obvious to everyone) if the website is compromised.
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August 18, 2013, 09:43:53 AM |
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As the owner stated this isn't risk free.
The investment itself is risk free, it is only a matter of time until you've doubled what you've invested, the only risk is (and that should be obvious to everyone) if the website is compromised.
He forgot to mention that you could've lost the whole bankroll. As far as the site compromised, could we hope that the website is more secure than it is reliable.
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August 18, 2013, 12:47:41 PM |
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Look at max bet (10.5BTC) on max odds (35:1) vs available bankroll (608BTC) there is your answer.
No it's not risk free. Manage your bankroll accordingly.
EDIT: Good news they lowered the risk of ruin. The site now only risk a maximum of 50% instead of 100%+ yesterday. I've never seen more than 1.5BTC bet on 17:1 and 2BTC on 1:1 so in reality they never risked more than 100%.
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