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August 17, 2013, 06:46:57 AM |
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Domain Name: BITSAFEWALLET.COM Created on: 06-May-13 Expires on: 06-May-14 Last Updated on: 06-May-13
Registrant: Jeffrey Ownby 130 N.Park LaGrange, Illinois 60525 United States
Administrative Contact: Ownby, Jeffrey email 130 N.Park LaGrange, Illinois 60525 United States 708-601-4170 Seriously, would you trust your wallet with the VP of BFL? Don't think for a minute that Jody wouldn't be in charge of customer support. Josh is probably hosting the website and in charge of PR. Sonny is the silent investor. People often accuse other people of exactly what they're doing, which begs the question: Where did Jeff get the barn wood for The Barn?
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August 23, 2013, 11:17:27 PM |
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It looks like Jeff Ownby is now scrubbing a host of his accounts on the internet. This action begs the question that if what I've stated in this thread was inaccurate, what's the reason for Jeff Ownby to delete several accounts containing mundane posts? Is it because they are not that mundane?
What next, Jeff. Deleting your 60+ sportsbooks sites all linked to Webspawner owned by Sonny Vleisides but recently put in your name?
But, don't mind me, for I'm just one of them monumental assholes.
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August 24, 2013, 07:25:55 PM |
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I had the same sneaking suspicion. Setting up a "Changing-of-the-guard" when the alphabet agencies come calling. Lets hope they ALL get caught in the net and Butterfly Labs becomes a cautionary tale in Bitcoinia of how not to conduct business.
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August 24, 2013, 07:54:30 PM |
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I have this sneaky feeling there's going to be some changes at BFL after September 15, 2013.
Why the 15th? What did I miss? And Phin, thanks for actually taking the time to back up what you say rather than "hurr durr BFL are scams! mah orders! mah orders!". Although I don't consider myself a BFL hater (inb4 I'm Josh's sockpuppet) this is some credible "evidence" (if you call it that?). Kinda of off topic, but at what point does BFL regain their trust? BFL delivers FPGAs. Later claim they are making ASIC. - "Scammers! I just bought your FGPAs and now you're making new tech!" We'll offer you guys trade-ins. - "It's just a box of fans!" Here's a quarter. - "ASIC didn't exist and BFL is a scam" But it is real. Here's our blueprints. - "But they'll never ship! They are stealing millions of dollars!" They are shipping units and catching up.- "Monarch isn't real! If you pre-order now, they'll run away with your money!" .... If they deliver the Monarchs next year, will that finally calm everyone down? Or will it take another Zhou, Pirate, or Tradehill to get everyone whining about something else?
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August 24, 2013, 08:02:05 PM |
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September 15, 2013, is the day Sonny Vleisides' probation is set to end, set by the courts, along with a $100 USD fine, for his 15 year running lottery scam that fleeced hundreds of millions from the elderly.
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August 24, 2013, 08:06:33 PM |
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August 24, 2013, 08:10:54 PM |
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+1000 for your effort and persistence in pursuing the truth behind BFL and their scheme
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August 24, 2013, 08:25:12 PM |
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+1000 for your effort and persistence in pursuing the truth behind BFL and their scheme
All that time and effort and he has yet to produce any evidence of anything nefarious. Even connecting (via complete fabrications) completely unrelated things together and he's still unable to actually produce any compelling proof for a single thing. Yeah, good use of ones time there. Occams razor here, which one is more likely: 1. BFL is so awesome at scamming that they are able to cover all possible tracks that, even when you are not constrained by reality, you can't uncover proof of wrongdoing. 2. BFL isn't actually doing anything wrong. Which is more likely?
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If you're searching these lines for a point, you've probably missed it. There was never anything there in the first place.
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August 24, 2013, 08:27:42 PM |
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+1000 for your effort and persistence in pursuing the truth behind BFL and their scheme
All that time and effort and he has yet to produce any evidence of anything nefarious. Even connecting (via complete fabrications) completely unrelated things together and he's still unable to actually produce any compelling proof for a single thing. Yeah, good use of ones time there. Occams razor here, which one is more likely: 1. BFL is so awesome at scamming that they are able to cover all possible tracks that, even when you are not constrained by reality, you can't uncover proof of wrongdoing. 2. BFL isn't actually doing anything wrong. Which is more likely? Hey, fuck face! The overwhelming response is #1. Also, tell Sonny or Jeff, that customers are complaining: http://www.000webhost.com/directory/reviews/webspawner.comJim, 06th of August, 2013 They have completely destroyed websites that I have put a lot of work into over 15 years. It is impossible to contact anyone there to query. It is impossible to log into my account. It is impossible to trouble shoot any problem if not logged in. The original sites that I had for years have been shortened, with the bottom half just cut off and deleted. Messages sent to the only contact link are completely ignored.
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August 24, 2013, 08:32:22 PM |
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All that time and effort and he has yet to produce any evidence of anything nefarious. After over 10 months now, you, Josh Zerlan, have yet to answer to all those that've asked about what's the latest with BFL's FCC certification: When is the Jalapeno getting FCC approval?
Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report. With the bump in power requirements on the MR and the new screen, we had to make changes, although the new screen is already certified. We are doing all the devices at once, since they all share the same board. What part of NEFARIOUS don't you understand?
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August 24, 2013, 08:34:38 PM |
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+1000 for your effort and persistence in pursuing the truth behind BFL and their scheme
All that time and effort and he has yet to produce any evidence of anything nefarious. Even connecting (via complete fabrications) completely unrelated things together and he's still unable to actually produce any compelling proof for a single thing. Yeah, good use of ones time there. Occams razor here, which one is more likely: 1. BFL is so awesome at scamming that they are able to cover all possible tracks that, even when you are not constrained by reality, you can't uncover proof of wrongdoing. 2. BFL isn't actually doing anything wrong. Which is more likely? Hey, fuck face! The overwhelming response is #1. Also, tell Sonny or Jeff, that customers are complaining: http://www.000webhost.com/directory/reviews/webspawner.comJim, 06th of August, 2013 They have completely destroyed websites that I have put a lot of work into over 15 years. It is impossible to contact anyone there to query. It is impossible to log into my account. It is impossible to trouble shoot any problem if not logged in. The original sites that I had for years have been shortened, with the bottom half just cut off and deleted. Messages sent to the only contact link are completely ignored. quote BFL forum "No USB Cable in orders. by Steve Honaker , 08-24-2013 at 12:03 PM (67 Views) Just wanted to let people know if they happen to end up in the same boat I was in. My singles orders arrived today, but did not have the cable to connect to the USB in any of the singles boxes. The connectors appear to be the same as the USB charging cable for the PS3 Controllers. You can use ones you have or you can buy them at Walmart/Slackers and probably other places as well. I bought out Walmart's and got some more at slackers to cover all the units and all are running at the advertised hash rate with those cables. Hopefully I can get BFL to reimburse for the cables if I send them the receipt, regardless 5 dollar cables are worth the amount of Bitcoin production." BFL: no PSU, no USB cable, poor quality fan , "mistake" express shipping rate, etc... nothing wrong... And a Public Service Announcement! If you have ordered from BFL and have not yet received your product, you are entitled to a refund whenever you request one (per FTC rules). First ask Butterfly Labs for one, they will probably say no but you might get lucky. If you ordered via PayPal you can file a complaint with them even if you are outside the 45 day window. One customer has already gotten a refund from PayPal that was outside the 45 days. If you ordered via BTC or Bank wire, you can fill out a complaint with the FTC and they will advocate for you with BFL to get your refund. You can also contact the office of the Kansas Attorney General and inform them that you have had your money taken with no product delivered for months, just more promises. There are also several threads on how to get a refund from BFL, here are two: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=266945.0https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=272585.0
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August 24, 2013, 08:36:38 PM |
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BFL: no PSU, no USB cable, poor quality fan , "mistake" express shipping rate, etc...
Nothing nefarious to see here! Carry on.
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August 24, 2013, 08:38:53 PM |
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@Inaba By the looks of it, BFL must be doing something wrong since the forum is flooded with negative posts regarding BFL. Why do BFL continue to hold their customers in the dark regarding shipping and expected time of delivery? Understand that people paid quite a lot of money for a product that they haven't received!
If BFL got nothing to hide, tell your customers whats up. If you guys were to play with open cards and have a little respect and understanding for all the frustrated customers that feel like they are being butt fucked due to the lack of information from BFL, maybe the tone would change
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