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August 18, 2013, 06:01:52 PM
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This poll is in reference to BFL's new product: http://www.butterflylabs.com/monarch/
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August 18, 2013, 06:04:21 PM
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adding "maybe" as an option would be fair...
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August 18, 2013, 06:07:19 PM
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Maybe pigs will fly.

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August 18, 2013, 06:35:22 PM
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I always wondered how many sockpuppets BFL has. After this poll, we will know.  Grin

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August 18, 2013, 07:04:53 PM
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adding "maybe" as an option would be fair...

Maybe I would get a refund!
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August 18, 2013, 07:09:22 PM
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August 18, 2013, 07:13:52 PM
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adding "maybe" as an option would be fair...

Apologies for not adding it, though I can do it now, but won't. The time for fence setting is over.
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August 18, 2013, 07:15:13 PM
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adding "maybe" as an option would be fair...

Maybe?   You can't "maybe" trust someone.  Either you do or you don't.

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August 18, 2013, 07:39:35 PM
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August 18, 2013, 07:51:12 PM
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Anyone supporting BFl in anyway shape or form is a complete ________.  They have destroyed the little good faith the community had. They are nothing but a bunch of lying scumbags in every sense of the phrase. I think trust is almost extinct in the bitcoin community because of BFL and their practices. They have paved a way for anti genuine behavior by the rest of the would be onlookers looking to dip into the bitcoin industry and at the minimum they should be outkasted, boycotted, in these forums as well as future bitcoin conferences!

They are preying on the community at large and the hoards of newbies and they are tainting bitcoin businesses present and future and their behavior is appalling by any standard and reflects the practices of common criminals. Their record and trailing bloodbath of ripped off customer loudly speaks for itself. Not only are they not trustworthy but they lack sensory ability to realize it. They are incapable of illuminating the misfortune they have brought upon thousand and if given the opportunity they would scorch their customers again and again.


 




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August 18, 2013, 08:01:58 PM
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Make sure you post the list of accounts who voted for BFL so we can see how many were registered today!  Grin

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August 18, 2013, 08:06:42 PM
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adding "maybe" as an option would be fair...

Maybe?   You can't "maybe" trust someone.  Either you do or you don't.
Trust requires time.  Trust requires experience.  Trust requires knowledge.

Maybe the question needed is: "Should you trust".  This is where Maybe falls into place.  

Maybe you should trust them, but more time/experience/knowledge is needed.

Most people treat trust as a knee-jerk reaction to a given situation.  I view it as a scale.

Pros:
Has shipped in the past
Is shipping now
Units work to specifications
Production speed seems to be inceasing
Happy Customers(perception)

Cons:
Slow
Repeated delays
Hard to get refunds
Poor design on some units
Perceived customer service (tough call, lots of whiners)
Unhappy Customers(perception)

You will always have unhappy customers, but you have to ask WHY?

Many early BFL customer had a dream... that they will receive this magic money making box and they'll get rich.  Time passed and others got the magic box first.  Tempers grew and time passed.  BFL started shipping magic boxes.  Joy was had and time passed.  Joy turned to anger, the magic boxes aren't coming fast enough.  Profitability drops and anger becomes hate.  REVENGE! they shout, refund our money! WHY?

BFL (and other companies) did as asked, they produced these magic money making boxes.  The problem was the demand for these magic boxes was so great that only the first few lucky ones could actually profit.  Who is ultimately at fault?  BFL and other companies for selling the boxes or the masses of people who over ordered them to the point they became worthless?

I did a time/motion study based on the theory that BFL had started shipping the equivalent of a mini-rig per day starting Oct 1.  At the end of 60 days, the calculation I used showed that they would not have shipped all of the orders they had received and likely would have not gotten far into July's orders.  If you hadn't received your order by Dec 1 you would never have reached RoI.  We know now that BTC rose dramatically, but imagine being there on Dec 1, mining 1.4BTC a day with your shiny new LS making a whopping $15 a day.  By Jan 1st you're lucky to see 1BTC a day.


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August 18, 2013, 10:08:04 PM
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August 19, 2013, 12:25:42 AM
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Most BFL customer that have received and made ROI are over the moon and will be purchasing the new blade.

Those stuck in line with little chance of ROI are split.

I will not upgrade, however the thought has entered my head,

Will production tapper off now so I won't actually receive my goods before the new blade starts to ship? This is the Trap !

What ever ! No more $$$'s are going in BFL's direction from me,
Product = very good
Trust = 0
Ponzi = probably
unlawful refund policy = defiantly
Josh's attitude to customers = priceless

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August 19, 2013, 01:45:50 AM
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adding "maybe" as an option would be fair...

Maybe?   You can't "maybe" trust someone.  Either you do or you don't.

because they have announcED and not introducED it yet.
and there are people other than pro or contra BFL. there are a lot of neutral people who are watching all these hysterical pro/contra. they're just quiet.
MAYBE would be good for those.

you can choose other word if strictly against MAYBE-word.
"UNSURE" maybe?
"NEUTRAL" maybe?
etcetera maybe? Wink

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...Either you do or you don't...

btw, absolutely wrong statement regarding trust.
often (mostly) we neither trust, nor distrust people. ie unknow subjects.
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August 19, 2013, 01:50:05 AM
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adding "maybe" as an option would be fair...

Maybe?   You can't "maybe" trust someone.  Either you do or you don't.

because they have announcED and not introducED it yet.
and there are people other than pro or contra BFL. there are a lot of neutral people who are watching all these hysterical pro/contra. they're just quiet.
MAYBE would be good for those.

btw you can choose other word if strictly against MAYBE-word.
"UNSURE" maybe?
"NEUTRAL" maybe?
etcetera maybe? Wink


Don't vote if you are UNSURE or NEUTRAL problem solved.

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August 19, 2013, 01:55:45 AM
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Don't vote if you are UNSURE or NEUTRAL problem solved.

and what do you think I did? lol.
in any case thanks for idea.
i know, you are boycotting all. me too maybe now? if yes - then do it fair Wink
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August 19, 2013, 04:54:06 AM
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Without revealing the results to those who have yet to vote, all I have to say is "Wow, wow, wow!" (with apologies to the late Steve Jobs)
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August 19, 2013, 04:57:09 AM
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Don't vote if you are UNSURE or NEUTRAL problem solved.

and what do you think I did? lol.
in any case thanks for idea.
i know, you are boycotting all. me too maybe now? if yes - then do it fair Wink

Here is fair.

They have taken over a 1 year to deliver their products.
They lied about having it ready.
They are refusing refunds.

... and you want "Maybe".

Just don't vote problem solved.

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