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August 19, 2013, 05:02:09 AM
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O.o The hell is wrong with you people?

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August 19, 2013, 05:11:28 AM
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O.o The hell is wrong with you people?

Mostly shills and 1 person that is new?

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August 19, 2013, 05:18:10 AM
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I really like that they introduce a new product when they have not even fulfilled all of the orders for their old product and are apparently experiencing all kinds of technical challenges with it.
How the hell are they not out of business yet.

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August 19, 2013, 05:40:59 AM
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A small company with a working 28nm product in 2013 / early 2014? Never!
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August 19, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
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I really like that they introduce a new product when they have not even fulfilled all of the orders for their old product and are apparently experiencing all kinds of technical challenges with it.
How the hell are they not out of business yet.

Fools keep giving them money

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August 19, 2013, 12:53:37 PM
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Short answer:  No.
Longer Answer:  Fuck no.
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August 19, 2013, 02:48:21 PM
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I'd say Inaba needs to plead with his shoutbox to get some votes in here. Then again, not everyone over there is happy either.

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August 19, 2013, 03:19:21 PM
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BFL lied to me and broke our contract. I'll never even consider doing business with them again.
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August 19, 2013, 04:35:24 PM
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That question is a stupid one, in that it's ridiculously vague and subjective.

The question is, who can you trust at all? BFL's slow as hell, and it sucks. Then again, so is Avalon. Who else are you going to trust? KNC? Buy ASICminer gear that is priced to NEVER make ROI?  Huh

It kinda sucks that nobody seems to be able to both develop a decent ASIC, AND develop relationships of trust with their customers, but until there are more/better options out there, people don't have a whole lot of choices if they want to be in the Bitcoin mining game.

BFL and Avalon are shitty in terms of broken promises of delivery dates, so if the question is whether you trust them to deliver ON TIME, the only rational answer is HELL no.

However, if the question is whether or not you trust that they'll deliver 'some day' (2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+2 weeks+...)

Well, they've demonstrated that they have the ability to deliver quality products on a timeline somewhere beyond 'fuck you' but still well this side of 'never'... Wink Will it still make ROI? That's the million dollar question everybody wishes they knew the answer to. Absent a crystal ball, I'd say, 'maybe'. Wink We don't know what will happen with bitcoin value over the next year, so it's impossible to say whether you're better off putting that money directly into bitcoin (or some other investment), or holding your nose and placing yet another pre-order, 'shipping in 2-60 weeks'.

As badly as certain people want their fantasy of "Sonny is a criminal who is running a scam to run away with millions of dollars in pre-orders" to come true, BFL continues to deliver on products (but not on deadlines).

Personally, I think they're absolute idiots for announcing another product that hasn't even been prototyped yet. Figured they MIGHT have learned that lesson from the last go-round. But they're clearly eternal optimists of their own abilities. I'm thinking the final product will ship your hashing power in 2-3 cards, and it'll be 3-6 months late, but that's sheer speculation...

I find that the lower you set your expectations going in, the less you set yourself up for disappointment in the future.

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August 20, 2013, 03:43:22 AM
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Bump, to garner more votes.
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August 20, 2013, 04:10:33 AM
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The poll should have been.....

Will Josh live to see another birthday?
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Results may have been the same.

I'm surprised so many suckers like being screwed so badly.
Maybe everyone who bought Josh's junk promises should throw him a party, too, maybe buy him a trip to the Bahamas or something....
I'm surprised more people do not want to suck his junk, as well.  Roll Eyes

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Because Bitrebel says things that some people do not want YOU to hear.
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August 20, 2013, 04:24:36 AM
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[10:37 PM]   Mouth-Full-O-Earth : Josh, I have the negative bal problem
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[10:41 PM]   polrpaul : [11:38 PM] Mouth-Full-O-Earth : Ok, I've passed that along for the devs to look at it
[10:41 PM]   polrpaul : [11:40 PM] BFL_Josh : I've passed that along for the devs to look at it
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[10:41 PM]   polrpaul : I just thought it was peculiarly same language
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[10:42 PM]   BFL_Josh : I think I hit hte wrong key when I was replying and it sent as him... not sure how that's possible, but it also copied his order number into my text box.


Fake customer support... that's a new low
Your $4mil at work
That confirms he is using socks.

And the following confirms he doesn't use them.

I wonder where the foul mouthed BFL spokesdude has gone too. The silence is deafening. Hello? If you miss your daily quota of personal attacks and trolling accusations, this is going to reflect badly in your performance review under the "productivity" section. Please think of the children and save Christmas.

Are you so dense that you haven't figured it out yet?  I only come in here and whip up the natives when the BFL mania dies down.  Right now, it's a raging fire, you don't need my input.  The top 10+ threads in the hardware forum are all about BFL.  If things start dying down again, I'll post more.

...and they're mostly debates about whether BFL is staffed by idiots or thieves.

You are one of my best workers Smiley  I appreciate you more than you know.

Thank you! Must be nice saving all the effort of creating sockpuppet accounts yourself.

Absolutely!  I don't believe in sock puppet accounts, I just get people like you to post constantly.
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August 20, 2013, 08:36:37 PM
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https://forums.butterflylabs.com/monarch-discussion/4415-19-aug-2013-monarch-discussion.html

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Currently, we plan on it being able to be used as either as a USB device sitting on your desk or as a PCIe device, inside the machine. Protip: Maybe there's a market for little stands to hold your Monarchs?



Needless to say, the shipping of Monarchs will still be on hold come February, 2014.
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August 20, 2013, 08:38:14 PM
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45 people just lost 4 months of anticipated mining revenue in 3 days.

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