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August 19, 2013, 03:01:56 PM
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Yes folks despite what "sentry safe" may want you to believe that is what a real (TL rated) safe looks like.


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August 19, 2013, 08:27:59 PM
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Sweet!  What are the dimensions/weight of that?  How much did it cost?  What is the estimated time for a pro to crack it if you forget your password?

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August 19, 2013, 08:35:18 PM
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As a reference, what is the code for the safe? I promise to do only good deeds with it.

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August 20, 2013, 02:49:04 PM
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I do hope that isn't one of the lousy keypad locks where it's possible to simply smash the keypad and short power to the solenoids to open the safe.
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August 20, 2013, 02:51:37 PM
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Haha look pretty secure.
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August 20, 2013, 03:38:08 PM
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That thing looks freakin bomb proof! However you might want to check online to make sure there are no easy exploits. I saw a friend of mine get into his safe by slipping a thin piece of metal past the door. He could get it to touch the combination reset button. 
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August 20, 2013, 04:33:29 PM
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That thing looks freakin bomb proof! However you might want to check online to make sure there are no easy exploits. I saw a friend of mine get into his safe by slipping a thin piece of metal past the door. He could get it to touch the combination reset button. 
 Undecided <----- His face looked like this.
Some nice DEFCON video on safe cracking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_lkYQ88kv0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYyPfJxmUtI
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August 20, 2013, 05:48:02 PM
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I do hope that isn't one of the lousy keypad locks where it's possible to simply smash the keypad and short power to the solenoids to open the safe.

There are lousy mechanical locks too. Smiley  In the lock/alarm/safe/security world you generally get what you pay for and that is more important than the choice of mechanical vs electronic.  Until about 10 years ago I strongly favored mechanical locks however good mechanical locks are very expensive.  Even Group 1 locks are vulnerable to xray investigation (avoiding that requires the asininely expensive group 1R locks).   A good electronic lock (one which meets UL Type 1 standard) can be designed much more cost effectively.  That being said there is a lot of crap on the market. 

A secure electronic lock can't be opened by shorting the communication cable. In theory with enough current you could destroy the solenoid circuit board but you aren't going to open the safe that way.   


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August 20, 2013, 05:51:59 PM
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That thing looks freakin bomb proof! However you might want to check online to make sure there are no easy exploits. I saw a friend of mine get into his safe by slipping a thin piece of metal past the door. He could get it to touch the combination reset button.  
 Undecided <----- His face looked like this.

It isn't rated against explosives but good safe companies do make those if you need that much security (google "TXTL-60" the X is for explosives). There is no reset button (and shouldn't be on any real safe) but I agree there is a lot of crap on the market, buyer beware.  Generally the best gauge of the security a safe provides is the insurance rating.  Insurance companies don't like paying out insurance premiums.  


Nice videos.  I hadn't seen those but I had seen similar ones.  It is one reason I began favoring electronic locks about ten years ago.  I always swore mechanical locks could never be replaced but the reality is that until we start nanoscale engineering mechanical locks provide feedback and feedback can be exploited.
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August 20, 2013, 05:53:39 PM
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Sweet!  What are the dimensions/weight of that?  How much did it cost?  What is the estimated time for a pro to crack it if you forget your password?

It weighs over 700 lbs and it is the smallest one in its line.  It costs ... a lot.  It probably is overkill for most people looking for a place to store a paper wallet so the OP was kinda tongue in cheek.  It technically is a "hardware wallet" though. Smiley

As for forgetting the combination.  It can't be cracked so that would mean drilling the door. Luckily the door is removable/replaceable so it wouldn't be a total loss but it would make me cry.
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August 20, 2013, 05:58:12 PM
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I bought a fire resistant/water proof/burglary resistant safe to protect my private keys and laptop.  Three days after the purchase, my entire house got flooded. I lost everything except my private keys and laptop!  Whew!

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August 20, 2013, 06:03:24 PM
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Keep in mind that securing the safe itself is important for proper security!

Very good advice.  Unless it has no business being called a "safe"* it is going to be easier for most thieves to remove and figure out how to open later in private.  Always bolt down your safe.

* IMHO anything less than a "B Rating" isn't a safe, it is just a metal box with a lock.
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August 20, 2013, 06:30:58 PM
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Keep in mind that securing the safe itself is important for proper security!

Very good advice.  Unless it has no business being called a "safe"* it is going to be easier for most thieves to remove and figure out how to open later.  Always bolt down your safe.  


* IMHO anything less than a "B Rating" isn't a safe, it is just a metal box with a lock.

Agreed. I have some friends that keep passports, cash, and pistol in shitty little "biometric" safes that they SCREW to FURNITURE, not bolt through JOISTS.

I think most people could get away with a metal box with a lock just fine, as it will thwart all but the most determined of thieves if properly installed.

Beyond that, security through obscurity. I've left a chain of rented houses with random floorboards pulled or walls cut away behind trim and moulding. My best was leaving a house that had defaulted to the bank while I rented it with a really, really well constructed fake wall up, framed, insulated and drywalled flush with a pantry wall and giving it a perfect line that would never raise an eyebrow, and was sturdy as shit so no one would ever lean against it and feel it bow. It felt like an exterior wall. Topped that off with three sheathed latches I made that took a heavy duty magnet to throw, and a door that was damn near invisible when closed. Wonder how long it took the new owner and tenants to discover I had cut an 8'x6' breakfast nook out of their house... I once found a prohibition stash room in a house I had lived in for months and felt like a dumbass, but who walks around making sure there is no negative space in your floor plan as a stoned college kid?
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August 21, 2013, 04:53:52 PM
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Where did you buy it from? Looks pretty amazing to me.

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August 21, 2013, 09:54:34 PM
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Where did you buy it from? Looks pretty amazing to me.

http://www.safeandvaultstore.com/

Good company.  Had some problems with the local delivery contractors and they made sure everything was done right.  I only wish they accepted Bitcoins.
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August 21, 2013, 10:31:31 PM
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I'd have that bad boy open in no time, with just a simple knitting needle.

What to know how?

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August 21, 2013, 10:33:14 PM
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I'd have that bad boy open in no time, with just a simple knitting needle.

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Go ahead. Yesterday I bought a lockpick set with 6 pratices lock so I have some interest in hardware security.
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August 21, 2013, 10:42:03 PM
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I'd have that bad boy open in no time, with just a simple knitting needle.

What to know how?
Go ahead. Yesterday I bought a lockpick set with 6 pratices lock so I have some interest in hardware security.

Easy. I hire some thugs, and together we force OP on the floor and I hold the knitting needle an inch away from his eyeball.

"What's the combination?" I'd calmly say.

If he's stubborn he may lose the first eye, but when we move onto his second...

Da Da; Open Sesame....

 

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August 21, 2013, 10:46:06 PM
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I'd have that bad boy open in no time, with just a simple knitting needle.

What to know how?
Go ahead. Yesterday I bought a lockpick set with 6 pratices lock so I have some interest in hardware security.

Easy. I hire some thugs, and together we force OP on the floor and I hold the knitting needle an inch away from his eyeball.

"What's the combination?" I'd calmly say.

If he's stubborn he may lose the first eye, but when we move on to his second...

Da Da; Open Sesame....

 
Duh. Something similar happened to a local poker player, Jonathan Duhamel winner of 2010 WSOP. His ex bitch sent two guy to rob his safe.

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Duhamel was badly beaten in a home invasion robbery in December 2011. His Main Event bracelet, 500€ in bills and a Rolex watch were stolen. Three individuals have since been arrested and a fourth questioned about the crime.[11] Police have since recovered approximately half of the cash stolen.[12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Duhamel
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August 22, 2013, 01:18:51 AM
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Sweet!  What are the dimensions/weight of that?  How much did it cost?  What is the estimated time for a pro to crack it if you forget your password?

It weighs over 700 lbs and it is the smallest one in its line.  It costs ... a lot.  It probably is overkill for most people looking for a place to store a paper wallet so the OP was kinda tongue in cheek.  It technically is a "hardware wallet" though. Smiley

As for forgetting the combination.  It can't be cracked so that would mean drilling the door. Luckily the door is removable/replaceable so it wouldn't be a total loss but it would make me cry.
That's a safe! If you don't mind me asking, how much did it [really] cost?
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