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August 20, 2013, 12:37:49 AM
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I'm a member from the german bitcoin community.

Sorry for my bad english but the german mods don't act.

We had a big group buy in the germany community. It was managed by candoo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=39818 and we have many controversial and disagreements.

Candoo had change some time the contract details without ask the shareholders.
Candoo give the leadership from the group buy to a unknow member without to ask anybody from the shareholders. Click the link in the last post to see the contract. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=160797.1160
The new Threads. The now owner is salazarian https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=274019.0  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=274579.0
Candoo had delete and edit many posts. The new group buy leader too.
Candoo had a back buy garantie (with a discount) for the shareholders. In any time and he want pay back in 14 days if somebody want give the shares back.

If Candoo do not had the back buy garantie then he never had sold so many shares. Becouse the last change of the contract and the change of the ownership is very bad for the shareholgers becouse he give to a unknow member the leadership and the back buy garantie runs now 14 days out.

Some people want use the rebuy garantie but candoo don't pay out all people. And candoo want pay out the people with a bank transaction and not with bitcoins. He want have from the people the adress and the full name.
Some peoplo (who he like say he) pay he out in Bitcoins. But the other people only with a bank transaction. Candoo say that he need the name and adress that nobody get two times the pay back for the rebuy garantie. But other germen member say, that he need the name and adress from the people to reduce the tax in germany.

This is a thread who candoo don'T can delete posts. It's about this groupbuy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=274183.0

The german mods don't act and one mod had don't answer me. It's is not possible for a mod in the german forum to don't see it or don't know about it.

I want ask if it's give here other Tag's like Scammer. Maybe untrusted person, Attention, or something other. And what need I do that he gat a Tag.




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August 20, 2013, 01:24:32 AM
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As long as he is willing to pay back funds, even if he requires identification, I don't think you can label him a scammer. It sounds more like a miscommunication about the terms of the agreement.

This is one reason people need to be very careful with bitcoins. They are irreversible. Once you give them to somebody else, that's it. You should be very sure you trust whomever you give them to. You should also be very sure you understand all the terms of any deal.

As for editing threads I don't think that's appropriate if the threads are not his and he is only doing it to benefit himself. If there is a complaint about his moderator role that's different, and I'm sure could be resolved somehow.

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August 20, 2013, 10:37:25 AM
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He change the terms of this deal. Many Time. Maybe 5 or 10 Times.

I think so that now not enough for a scamer tag.

But I think that he can get a other tag. I see one time somebody with a other tag.

But I now don't know what are tag it was. And I don't know what for tag's are here given. Can somebody tell me what are the oter tag's?



Candoo do nothing with his handle to de-escalation. He troll use and he deliberate provocation use with his handle and he lough on use if we have quostions. And he don't answer clear our quostoins.


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August 20, 2013, 10:45:36 AM
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I'm following most of the threads concerning this matter, and it's really shady in my opinion. However, I wouldn't call it scam (yet)

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August 20, 2013, 10:57:09 AM
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I'm following most of the threads concerning this matter, and it's really shady in my opinion. However, I wouldn't call it scam (yet)

It's yet not a scam. But it's yet many other bad thinks like breach of contract.
 
But it's give here other Tags. I see somebody with a other negative Tag. I think that he can get that Tag.

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It's yet not a scam. But it's yet many other bad thinks like breach of contract.
 
But it's give here other Tags. I see somebody with a other negative Tag. I think that he can get that Tag.

phantastisch should give him negative trust, he's a mod so he should be on the default trust list. the negative rating would be visible then.

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I'm following most of the threads concerning this matter, and it's really shady in my opinion. However, I wouldn't call it scam (yet)

It's yet not a scam. But it's yet many other bad thinks like breach of contract.
 
But it's give here other Tags. I see somebody with a other negative Tag. I think that he can get that Tag.

You can't legally change a contract once both parties have signed. That's the point.
If the contract terms change, then both parties must sign again to be legally binding. This is why companies get you to agree to EULA changes all the time.

Both parties must agree on all changes, otherwise the previously agreed contract stands.

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August 20, 2013, 12:06:36 PM
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I sent a message to Bitlex. He is a german moderator and he don't answer but he was online.

I and some more Shareholders not agree to the changes. Nobody from the Shareholders was asked.

We have over 100 Shareholders and the most of them don't know about this new contract.


I want show a other Thread from candoo. He try to cheat. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=277132.0

He want sell 25 new Bitcoins from a block reward for solo minning for 26 Bitcoins.

But the 25 Bitcoins are from the minning pool Eligius. He make the pay out limit to 25 Bitcoins. And so he get the 25.00000 Bitcoins to the adress and he try it to sell as solo minning coins.

After some Users see it and write about it he close the thread. It is not the first time that he make this litle jokes to make a profit.








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August 20, 2013, 06:00:31 PM
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How can we forget this beast from candoo in 2012, which has/had scam written all over it? It turned into a major hardcore begging thread. candoo would probably not be here if he was given money back then.

Please overread my sentences and give me a pn with a correction.

Till today I was working as a taxi driver in germany. I put some stickers up on the car windows that iam accepting bitcoins. So am i. But my boss didnt know anything about bitcoin and that iam accepting them.

Today a  customer called my company and asked for the taxi that is accepting bitcoins. So everybody knows and I got fired because i did it without his permission.

I told all my customers about bitcoin and sold some of them my coins. But now iam workless because of bitcoins. that suxs.

Sigh.
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August 21, 2013, 12:05:01 PM
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Und ob ich in der Liste auf Platz 10 oder 100 bin ist egal, solange sich die Azahl der Shares vor mir nicht geändert haben oder?
Es gilt doch auch nach der Übergabe (Verkauf) des Projekts wer zuerst kommt Mind zuerst?

Beides Richtig!

Da wurde zwischendurch eine Menge umgeschichtet.

Nichts wurde umgeschichtet. jeder hat die gleiche menge an Gh/s vor sich.

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Es gilt doch auch nach der Übergabe (Verkauf) des Projekts wer zuerst kommt Mind zuerst?

Ja die alten absprachen bleiben natürlich.



Hat sonst noch jemand Fragen die zur Transparenz beitragen?



Warum ich das Projekt so kurzfristig abgeben musste

Keine Infos kann,darf und will ich euch nicht nennen. Es hat keinen Finanziellen Hintergrund. (Die Kosten für Raummiete, Stromleitungen umlegen übernehme ich, Hobbys waren schon immer teuer..)

Grobe Richtung: Schaut im Offtopic nach meinem Stalker Thread. Man könnte sagen, dass alle meiner Locations "compromised" sind und ich persönlich bedroht wurde.

Weitere Infos gibts zu dem Thema aber nicht. Getreu dem Motto "dont feed the Trolls". Sonst wird das auch hier ausarten. Manche lieben es hier alles auseinander zunehmen.

candoo write that he was threatened becouse this groupbuy. That one of the reasens becouse he give the leadership to a other member. Don't know what is real or fake.

candoo want our real names our adress and our bankaccount to pay back use. He don't wan't pay back in Bitcoins.

Very confusing

A other member post, that condoo post this transaction. That should be candoo's bitcoins. https://blockchain.info/address/15tjwhwxa1JgjvfEPwvv54BQvzB6AvjDRN


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August 24, 2013, 08:46:01 AM
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http://imageshack.us/f/850/vmb6.jpg/

Candoo had post on site two in the first groupbuy thread, that everybody who request the pay back in Bitcoin will get the pay back in Bitcoins.
But he delete this post. It can now be found in the web archive.

http://web.archive.org/web/20130523065610/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=160797.20

He don't want now pay back in Bitcoins. He want only pay back with a bank transaktion. But he wants from everybody who want use the pay back garantie the full name and the adress. Nobody gets a payback in the last time who want use the pay back garantie. Not in Bitcoins and not with the bank transaktion.




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August 24, 2013, 11:06:56 AM
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TBH, what candoo has done here is worthy of the Untrustworthy tag.
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August 24, 2013, 12:00:22 PM
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That what I mean. It's long oberdue that he need this Tag.

What need I do, that he get this Tag?


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August 24, 2013, 12:16:50 PM
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Send a PM to theymos, although I doubt he'll give candoo a tag as he apparently doesn't give out tags anymore.
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August 27, 2013, 07:00:45 PM
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I'm a member from the german bitcoin community.

Sorry for my bad english but the german mods don't act.

We had a big group buy in the germany community. It was managed by candoo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=39818 and we have many controversial and disagreements.

Candoo had change some time the contract details without ask the shareholders.
Candoo give the leadership from the group buy to a unknow member without to ask anybody from the shareholders. Click the link in the last post to see the contract. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=160797.1160
The new Threads. The now owner is salazarian https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=274019.0  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=274579.0
Candoo had delete and edit many posts. The new group buy leader too.
Candoo had a back buy garantie (with a discount) for the shareholders. In any time and he want pay back in 14 days if somebody want give the shares back.

If Candoo do not had the back buy garantie then he never had sold so many shares. Becouse the last change of the contract and the change of the ownership is very bad for the shareholgers becouse he give to a unknow member the leadership and the back buy garantie runs now 14 days out.

Some people want use the rebuy garantie but candoo don't pay out all people. And candoo want pay out the people with a bank transaction and not with bitcoins. He want have from the people the adress and the full name.
Some peoplo (who he like say he) pay he out in Bitcoins. But the other people only with a bank transaction. Candoo say that he need the name and adress that nobody get two times the pay back for the rebuy garantie. But other germen member say, that he need the name and adress from the people to reduce the tax in germany.

This is a thread who candoo don'T can delete posts. It's about this groupbuy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=274183.0

The german mods don't act and one mod had don't answer me. It's is not possible for a mod in the german forum to don't see it or don't know about it.

I want ask if it's give here other Tag's like Scammer. Maybe untrusted person, Attention, or something other. And what need I do that he gat a Tag.

Sounds like SkepsiDyne/gigavps is only now becoming fashionable in Germany. You folks are about three years behind the times.

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