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January 19, 2018, 03:07:12 PM
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Hello, I am a bit of a novice and would appreciate some help.
I sent btc from my electrum wallet 3 days ago with a low fee. I know this can delay transaction for many days so I tried to speed it up
with replace fees from wallet. As I was doing this I realized my wallet needed an upgrade so I upgraded my wallet. After doing this my coins reappeared in my wallet so I sent them again with higher fee. Now on btc.com my transaction comes up as removed/doublespending.

Here is my transaction id:42981e630fe9561364b167cc8f1025f6464cc0f7da84d01655e7bf2a61d7b56d
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January 19, 2018, 03:21:41 PM
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Your coins reappeared? Not sure how that works, Electrum should have still syncd to show you the unconfirmed spend even after upgrade.

You sure you did an RBF though? Your first tx would have had to be set as replaceable (opt-in), you can't do RBF if your the tx you're replacing wasn't set as RBF when you spent it. So I'm supposing you did a double spend... but not opt-in RBF. You still have the tx id of first?


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January 19, 2018, 03:33:40 PM
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Thanks for reply. I did not have RBF on first Tx. The id is the same. Not sure whats happening.
 Will the coins eventually be returned to my wallet? How long can this take? Can you tell me anything based on TX id?
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January 19, 2018, 04:34:56 PM
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Thanks for reply. I did not have RBF on first Tx. The id is the same. Not sure whats happening.
 Will the coins eventually be returned to my wallet? How long can this take? Can you tell me anything based on TX id?

It would indeed be a double spend if you would sent them again with a higher fee.

If 42981e630fe9561364b167cc8f1025f6464cc0f7da84d01655e7bf2a61d7b56d is the one with the higher fee, then i think it will take some time before it will be confirmed, the average fee currently is around 450 sat/b, according to https://bitcoinfees.earn.com/, while yours is ~80sat/b.

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Not if the transaction confirms. And yes, eventually nodes will drop it out of their mempool if you don't keep rebroadcasting it.

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January 19, 2018, 04:55:38 PM
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Thanks for reply..42981e630fe9561364b167cc8f1025f6464cc0f7da84d01655e7bf2a61d7b56d is the origanal TX with low fee.
The 2nd transaction fee was 4/5 times higher cannot find this id.
Its been 3 days now..would I be better off to stop broadcasting for a few days and wait for it to drop out or should I keep broadcasting?
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January 19, 2018, 06:29:39 PM
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Thanks for reply..42981e630fe9561364b167cc8f1025f6464cc0f7da84d01655e7bf2a61d7b56d is the origanal TX with low fee.
The 2nd transaction fee was 4/5 times higher cannot find this id.
Its been 3 days now..would I be better off to stop broadcasting for a few days and wait for it to drop out or should I keep broadcasting?
I don't think you successfully created the 2nd tx with electrum
if you did, you would see the new txid on electrum instead... can you check whether there exist a new txid
if there is, then get its rawtx and push it manually to the network or post the hex rawtx here and we push it for you

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January 19, 2018, 08:13:56 PM
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It seems to have reverted back to original transaction 42981e630fe9561364b167cc8f1025f6464cc0f7da84d01655e7bf2a61d7b56d.  80sat/b

The tag- Removed/DoubleSpending is no longer on btc.com. BTC.com accelerator wants to charge me $72 to accelerate what is essentially a $125 transaction. Why/How are the fees so extortionate?

My original fee is very low, can anyone tell me if I might be better off closing my wallet (stop broadcasting) and hope it drops out of pool.
Or to keep broadcasting for a little longer. Its been 3 days since first broadcast. 

rawtx:

0100000002a352bcba097c64acf780e0be74cec32c4e4a9cf5c62e7190b53e3efdc8591a2701000 0006b483045022100d3c1034877515741da262492cb40915a39f1c11a2b890a63d21ff88c124138 4002207573e0390fbd9df19427711a2fbeb842d832357f9daa0a9173563d2648490191012102ed0 a2ee40d7c026e9cc461ec2e4123bc291829d03e28fe817facabbeda81f32affffffff6b64dced73 afb7a3c123829d1c3702b217f6ebff5792f144000bda7d81a9002e000000006a47304402200d89c 6f0fec053bb36554698231ec54d5a4380403b9d73f2e22f7679ff0489390220352fe0737a02af54 6c7203bde9bd80af212a65a688475678d47c81479114381f012103b715bf63907c9b8cee4827c2f 3ab2d0e197c7f089a57e31e508965b10aa2b3ceffffffff01619f1000000000001976a914f76a21 e05d5af5a288c1e352f2ce6e5bf4ae302688ac00000000
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January 19, 2018, 09:45:38 PM
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It seems to have reverted back to original transaction 42981e630fe9561364b167cc8f1025f6464cc0f7da84d01655e7bf2a61d7b56d.  80sat/b

The tag- Removed/DoubleSpending is no longer on btc.com. BTC.com accelerator wants to charge me $72 to accelerate what is essentially a $125 transaction. Why/How are the fees so extortionate?

My original fee is very low, can anyone tell me if I might be better off closing my wallet (stop broadcasting) and hope it drops out of pool.
Or to keep broadcasting for a little longer. Its been 3 days since first broadcast. 

rawtx:

0100000002a352bcba097c64acf780e0be74cec32c4e4a9cf5c62e7190b53e3efdc8591a2701000 0006b483045022100d3c1034877515741da262492cb40915a39f1c11a2b890a63d21ff88c124138 4002207573e0390fbd9df19427711a2fbeb842d832357f9daa0a9173563d2648490191012102ed0 a2ee40d7c026e9cc461ec2e4123bc291829d03e28fe817facabbeda81f32affffffff6b64dced73 afb7a3c123829d1c3702b217f6ebff5792f144000bda7d81a9002e000000006a47304402200d89c 6f0fec053bb36554698231ec54d5a4380403b9d73f2e22f7679ff0489390220352fe0737a02af54 6c7203bde9bd80af212a65a688475678d47c81479114381f012103b715bf63907c9b8cee4827c2f 3ab2d0e197c7f089a57e31e508965b10aa2b3ceffffffff01619f1000000000001976a914f76a21 e05d5af5a288c1e352f2ce6e5bf4ae302688ac00000000
Dont use up those tx accelerator which would charge you out those ridiculous fees.If you are not on a rush better not to stress out yourself out or try to read up https://www.reddit.com/r/Electrum/comments/7c3wkt/unconfirmed_parent_double_spend_transaction/ which would potential help you out. Otherwise you can use CPFP (Child Pays For Parent).


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January 19, 2018, 09:56:38 PM
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The 2nd transaction fee was 4/5 times higher cannot find this id.
if you did, you would see the new txid on electrum instead... can you check whether there exist a new txid
if there is, then get its rawtx and push it manually to the network or post the hex rawtx here and we push it for you

I wasn't expecting this rawtx, this one you posted is the hex rawtx for your old tx with low fee
I asked for the new hex rawtx if you did manage to create new txid with higher fee on your upgraded electrum

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January 20, 2018, 04:59:57 AM
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You only have 1 transaction (for 0.01 BTC) for your address ...8aN

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January 20, 2018, 07:01:14 AM
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It seems to have reverted back to original transaction 42981e630fe9561364b167cc8f1025f6464cc0f7da84d01655e7bf2a61d7b56d.  80sat/b
well good news. it seems network fee has dropped significantly
your transaction has just been confirmed recently
Code:
Included In Blocks 505121 ( 2018-01-20 06:16:15 + 5,348 minutes )
Confirmations 9 Confirmations

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January 20, 2018, 11:08:29 AM
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All good...Thanks for your help and time
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