TRUST ABUSE BY NEW DT MEMBERS.. Theymos should review the trust system.

[Scam Exposey]

Is it really necessary to put an immediate decision upon putting some negative trust on one's account? Remember its hard to rank here and those newly one abuse this system. And although i understand what they want to impose their but I think neutral trust will be the best way to put before putting some neg trust among those user who got red trust.

Shit posting can be change so this offense deserves some warning.
Bidding on account sales can be corrected also so deserves neutral trust unless the user continuously doing the same action.

Scamming this one deserves real red trust since it involves illegal activities.

So don't be one sided and bubble headed guys you don't own a place to put some immediate judgement.

Theymos should address this, since this furom has been by jackals for their self-interest.

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[MadZ]

The trust system isn't moderated, you're better off addressing this to Blazed (assuming you're talking about who I think you're talking about). Also, if you think their feedback is so bad, you are free to exclude them from your trust list. The initial intent of the system was for people to make their own trust lists, not solely rely on DT.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Is it really necessary to put an immediate decision upon putting some negative trust on one's account?

Yes.

Remember its hard to rank here

And idiots are ranking up as fast as possible by making bitcointalk a joke of a forum.  Pick any new topic and 75% of it are padded shitposts made for financial gain.

I think neutral trust will be the best way

Um, no.  Neutral trust does nothing, and these people are too manipulative and way outnumber the good guys.  The only way to stamp them out is to 1) Ban them, 2) Nix sig campaigns altogether, or 3) Prevent them from joining campaigns. 
Negative trust might help a little with the #3 solution.

Shit posting can be change

Not with people who can't speak English, sorry to say.

Bidding on account sales can be corrected

Yes, if the bidders fear negative trust from DT members.  Change isn't always comfortable.

[Lauda]

And although i understand what they want to impose their but I think neutral trust will be the best way to put before putting some neg trust among those user who got red trust.

What you think has absolutely no value.

Theymos should address this, since this furom has been by jackals for their self-interest.

Which is just pure bullshit. There is absolutely nothing that the sender will personally gain from spending hours and hours of their life tagging 3rd world cancer.

[Vod]

Theymos should address this, since this furom has been by jackals for their self-interest.

If I leave unfair and unjust negative feedback, those that trust me enough to vouch for my words will remove me.

The system is simple, and fair. 

[actmyname]

Shit posting can be change so this offense deserves some warning.

The former is true but the latter is false. Here's the reason. If it is known that shitposting is bad then we won't see any shitposting. Negative trust is what you call a deterrent. If people actually CAN post properly then they don't really need signature campaigns to do so however in this day and age, it seems that signature campaigns are all that people really care about.

If post quality increases after a tag then it may be warranted to be changed to a neutral "Was a shitposter but has since then changed." feedback.

[cabsav]

Bidding on account sales can be corrected

Yes, if the bidders fear negative trust from DT members.  Change isn't always comfortable.

I send you a pm about that and you even didn't reply. Its not hard to hit reply and write a message. You gave me trust 2 years ago when i was pretty newbie. now it turns red cause of your dt. Btw on that bid there is lots of people bid but you just gave red trust on couple people. I just bid once.

[billionaireSHS]

Is it really necessary to put an immediate decision upon putting some negative trust on one's account?

Yes.

Remember its hard to rank here

And idiots are ranking up as fast as possible by making bitcointalk a joke of a forum.  Pick any new topic and 75% of it are padded shitposts made for financial gain.

I think neutral trust will be the best way

Um, no.  Neutral trust does nothing, and these people are too manipulative and way outnumber the good guys.  The only way to stamp them out is to 1) Ban them, 2) Nix sig campaigns altogether, or 3) Prevent them from joining campaigns. 
Negative trust might help a little with the #3 solution.

Shit posting can be change

Not with people who can't speak English, sorry to say.

Bidding on account sales can be corrected

Yes, if the bidders fear negative trust from DT members.  Change isn't always comfortable.

Is there any chance to remove my red trust??

Boss please understand that we are adjusting in our common currency, English. We are not native speakers of that certain language but I consider myself as excellent for we tend to cope base on your strength, you don't even have a problem about that because you just express yourself normally; doest concern on expressing your thoughts unconsciously. Unlike you, native speakers, we tend to analyze and review first our opinion before starting it.

I believe that you have a wide range of understanding why we consider ourselves as excellent compared to native speaker.

[saint_casanova]

Is it really necessary to put an immediate decision upon putting some negative trust on one's account?

Yes.

Remember its hard to rank here

And idiots are ranking up as fast as possible by making bitcointalk a joke of a forum.  Pick any new topic and 75% of it are padded shitposts made for financial gain.

I think neutral trust will be the best way

Um, no.  Neutral trust does nothing, and these people are too manipulative and way outnumber the good guys.  The only way to stamp them out is to 1) Ban them, 2) Nix sig campaigns altogether, or 3) Prevent them from joining campaigns. 
Negative trust might help a little with the #3 solution.

Shit posting can be change

Not with people who can't speak English, sorry to say.

Bidding on account sales can be corrected

Yes, if the bidders fear negative trust from DT members.  Change isn't always comfortable.

I see all of your posts were about "much English". Do tell, speak any other language other than your mother tongue language, English?

I know that I shouldn't use this as an excuse or try to justify for my poor grasp of my English but really, able to master one language is very difficult.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to personally attack but you should chill down a bit. This is an online forum, not an academic broad where everyone has to post a long wall of text. What are you doing right now only make the trust system lower its standard for the shitposters and not scammers or illegal activity.

[Lauda]

I know that I shouldn't use this as an excuse or try to justify for my poor grasp of my English but really, able to master one language is very difficult.

It most certainly is not. The word 'master' is very vague and you most certainly do not need to "master" English to post as a regular user.

This is an online forum, not an academic broad where everyone has to post a long wall of text. What are you doing right now only make the trust system lower its standard for the shitposters and not scammers or illegal activity.

Here's a simpler and more elegant solution: Do not post in a language which you do not know well enough.

[athanz88]

Is it really necessary to put an immediate decision upon putting some negative trust on one's account? Remember its hard to rank here and those newly one abuse this system. And although i understand what they want to impose their but I think neutral trust will be the best way to put before putting some neg trust among those user who got red trust.

Shit posting can be change so this offense deserves some warning.
Bidding on account sales can be corrected also so deserves neutral trust unless the user continuously doing the same action.

Scamming this one deserves real red trust since it involves illegal activities.

So don't be one sided and bubble headed guys you don't own a place to put some immediate judgement.

Theymos should address this, since this furom has been by jackals for their self-interest.

In my opinion, trust system is a great tool to make this forum better. To make people realize this is a great forum, and a great forum deserves great people in it, but there are many new people which don't care about that right now. We can see it from the quality of their posts, and their language.

I agree with all the replies (up until now) in this topic. And for author, I used to think it was a faulty system too like you do, but that was in the past. Now I just want to learn, make better post, and engage with others.

[saint_casanova]

I know that I shouldn't use this as an excuse or try to justify for my poor grasp of my English but really, able to master one language is very difficult.

It most certainly is not. The word 'master' is very vague and you most certainly do not need to "master" English to post as a regular user.

This is an online forum, not an academic broad where everyone has to post a long wall of text. What are you doing right now only make the trust system lower its standard for the shitposters and not scammers or illegal activity.

Here's a simpler and more elegant solution: Do not posting in a language which you do not know well enough.

Well, better make a sticky banner at the top of bitcointalk say 'English Only' then. Did you know a language in the end just a way to communicate with each person? I feel very disgusted at the sign of a person that takes proud of his English and consider everyone else are inferior to him when his English was his mother tongue language.

[Scam Exposey]

I know that I shouldn't use this as an excuse or try to justify for my poor grasp of my English but really, able to master one language is very difficult.

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Is this constructive? 

[hilariousetc]

This is an online forum, not an academic broad where everyone has to post a long wall of text. What are you doing right now only make the trust system lower its standard for the shitposters and not scammers or illegal activity.

You don't need to write a thesis for every post but you don't need to force yourself to just write a hollow sentence of nothingness either. It's clear that you don't actually care about contributing anything here because you don't seem to have made a single constructive post nor one that is more than a sentence. In fact, they're barely more than a handful of words. Why is that? Because you don't need to write anything else so why bother. I'm betting the only reason you post here like 99% of the other users who sign up now is just to earn and in the laziest way possible without putting any thought or effort into their posts whatsoever. This forum has become useless for any sort of discussion as it has been taken over by shitposters and crapcoin ICOs churning out posts just to rank up and/or claim payment and that's why people are fighting back by using the trust system because it's the only weapon they have until theymos finally decides to do something about this issue.

And shitposters are far worse to this community than scammers. Scammers don't pollute every sub board like a cancer spreading. They stick to the Marketplace and if people are stupid enough to send them their money then it's very likely their own fault in 99% of cases.

I know that I shouldn't use this as an excuse or try to justify for my poor grasp of my English but really, able to master one language is very difficult.

It most certainly is not. The word 'master' is very vague and you most certainly do not need to "master" English to post as a regular user.

This is an online forum, not an academic broad where everyone has to post a long wall of text. What are you doing right now only make the trust system lower its standard for the shitposters and not scammers or illegal activity.

Here's a simpler and more elegant solution: Do not posting in a language which you do not know well enough.

Well, better make a sticky banner at the top of bitcointalk say 'English Only' then. Did you know a language in the end just a way to communicate with each person? I feel very disgusted at the sign of a person that takes proud of his English and consider everyone else are inferior to him when his English was his mother tongue language.

Bitcointalk is an English-speaking board. It's also stated in rule number 9:

9. Discussions in the main boards must be in english. All other language discussions should be posted in the appropriate Local board. [e]

Anyone who isn't fluent should stick to their local boards.

[saint_casanova]

I know that I shouldn't use this as an excuse or try to justify for my poor grasp of my English but really, able to master one language is very difficult.

It most certainly is not. The word 'master' is very vague and you most certainly do not need to "master" English to post as a regular user.

This is an online forum, not an academic broad where everyone has to post a long wall of text. What are you doing right now only make the trust system lower its standard for the shitposters and not scammers or illegal activity.

Here's a simpler and more elegant solution: Do not posting in a language which you do not know well enough.

Pardon for another quote but this to address your first point.

If I do not need to "master" English to post as a regular user then who going to decide which users have good English and not? The Pharmacist? Then want to ask if he was an expert in assert English or just a racist over the internet with his own standard of what was "good English" and what was"3rd world garbage English".

Look at how many complaints he got up in recent day and don't tell me you could easily dismiss all of that cause "They are just bunch of haters because they receive negative trust from him" or "He did nothing wrong". If you could say that then I will call this broad is governed by a bunch of elitists that so detach from the community.

This is an online forum, not an academic broad where everyone has to post a long wall of text. What are you doing right now only make the trust system lower its standard for the shitposters and not scammers or illegal activity.

You don't need to write a thesis for every post but you don't need to force yourself to just write a hollow sentence of nothingness either. It's clear that you don't actually care about contributing anything here because you don't seem to have made a single constructive post nor one that is more than a sentence. In fact, they're barely more than a handful of words. Why is that? Because you don't need to write anything else so why bother. I'm betting the only reason you post here like 99% of the other users who sign up now is just to earn and in the laziest way possible without putting any thought or effort into their posts whatsoever. This forum has become useless for any sort of discussion as it has been taken over by shitposters and crapcoin ICOs churning out posts just to rank up and/or claim payment and that's why people are fighting back by using the trust system because it's the only weapon they have until theymos finally decides to do something about this issue.

And shitposters are far worse to this community than scammers. Scammers don't pollute every sub board like a cancer spreading. They stick to the Marketplace and if people are stupid enough to send them their money then it's very likely their own fault in 99% of cases.

I know that I shouldn't use this as an excuse or try to justify for my poor grasp of my English but really, able to master one language is very difficult.

It most certainly is not. The word 'master' is very vague and you most certainly do not need to "master" English to post as a regular user.

This is an online forum, not an academic broad where everyone has to post a long wall of text. What are you doing right now only make the trust system lower its standard for the shitposters and not scammers or illegal activity.

Here's a simpler and more elegant solution: Do not posting in a language which you do not know well enough.

Well, better make a sticky banner at the top of bitcointalk say 'English Only' then. Did you know a language in the end just a way to communicate with each person? I feel very disgusted at the sign of a person that takes proud of his English and consider everyone else are inferior to him when his English was his mother tongue language.

Bitcointalk is an English-speaking board. It's also stated in rule number 9:

9. Discussions in the main boards must be in english. All other language discussions should be posted in the appropriate Local board. [e]

Anyone who isn't fluent should stick to their local boards.

Just this could show how your blind hatred over for a bunch of shitposters to consider them worst than a scammer. Lucky that is your own opinion anyway. If you want to save the "perfectly English" in here so much then step up the game, hired an English Nazi squad, wear a badge and going around abuse the trust system for your own selfish way of hatred over shitposters or 3rd world English garbage.

[hilariousetc]

Look at how many complaints he got up in recent day and don't tell me you could easily dismiss all of that cause "They are just bunch of haters because they receive negative trust from him" or "He did nothing wrong". If you could say that then I will call this broad is governed by a bunch of elitists that so detach from the community.

He only got complaints recently because he was only recently added to default trust so that's when his feedback started to carry weight, hence why people are now complaining as his feedback didn't mark them as scammers before. Often when I go to perma ban spammers posting exclusively in off topic half of the time I find he's already left them feedback so I agree with him in those cases.

Just this could show how your blind hatred over for a bunch of shitposters to consider them worst than a scammer. Lucky that is your own opinion anyway. If you want to save the "perfectly English" in here so much then step up the game, hired an English Nazi squad, wear a badge and going around abuse the trust system for your own selfish way of hatred over shitposters or 3rd world English garbage.

They are worse than scammers in regards to being a cancer to the usability of this board and I explained why. I've never been scammed by anyone because I'm not an idiot who gives my money away, but I have to read and deal with the utter drivel written by people like you every day which has ruined the ENTIRE forum because you can't have a decent discussion here any more and that's why spammers are a far more pressing issue than a few scammers that you shouldn't be giving your money away to anyway.

[arallmuus]

Just this could show how your blind hatred over for a bunch of shitposters to consider them worst than a scammer.

Everyone hate shitposters btw 


This is pretty much not a big deal .  If you only post to get paid, This becomes a big deal because you wont be able to participate in the signature campaign anymore.

Getting red tag will not hinder you in participating in any discussion on the forum


Before someone else jump on me and started raging, I am one of those that got tagged as well but it is not a big deal for me though 

[Maum]

No need for Theymos to review the trust system.
Some members should just pay attention to the guidlines carefully.

I added a trust system to the marketplace sections. When you're logged in, you'll now see something like this next to Marketplace posts:

Trust: 1: -0 / +12(3)

The first number is the user's trust score calculated based on how consistently they've received positive feedback. Probably no one will get a score above 0 until the system has been around for at least a month. The second number is the number of reported scams. The third number increases with the number of positive reports, as does the fourth number in parenthesis, though the fourth number is more resistant to abuse. This text changes color depending on the score. Users with a negative score (attainable through scamming) get a red warning attached to their posts.

These scores are taken from your trust network. They are not global scores. You can edit your trust network here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust
If your trust depth is set to 2 (the default), you will trust feedback by people you trust, people they trust, and people they trust. I might change the default in the future; we'll see how this works. Your trust list is public.

On feedback pages, you can leave trade feedback. There are no rules for this, but here are some guidelines:
- List all of the trades that you do with people (or at least the major ones). This is not like #bitcoin-otc where you give people just one score.
- Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts.
- Older ratings count for more, so don't delete old ratings if you can avoid it.
- "Risked BTC" is how much money you could have lost if the person you're rating had turned out to be a scammer. Or, if they are a scammer, it's how much you lost. Use the BTC value at the time of reporting.
- It's OK to post a rating about the person in general, not tied to a specific trade.
- If you want to make a rating stronger, increase "Risked BTC". 50 extra risked BTC is equivalent to an additional rating.

If your trust list is totally empty, you trust "DefaultTrust", which includes some trustworthy people that I'll select. But if you add anyone to your trust list, even if they don't trust anyone, DefaultTrust will no longer be considered part of your trust list.

In the near future I'll add these same ratings to PMs.

Tell me if you see any bugs. I didn't test this much yet.

Edit: For those, who don't want to read the whole post:

"Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts."

[Bachelorrd]

Just this could show how your blind hatred over for a bunch of shitposters to consider them worst than a scammer.

Everyone hate shitposters btw 


This is pretty much not a big deal .  If you only post to get paid, This becomes a big deal because you wont be able to participate in the signature campaign anymore.

Getting red tag will not hinder you in participating in any discussion on the forum


Before someone else jump on me and started raging, I am one of those that got tagged as well but it is not a big deal for me though 

LOL. Welcome to the Club. As one of the persons who has been tagged, it doesn't really matter. Shitposting or how you may call it is something that should be addressed with but not on a certain level that is too obvious to see racism. If I am one of them "the shitposters", I don't care, coz joining any campaign is not on my mind right now. I am here to join the discussion and learn more about BTC and that's all.

Ps. I am not commenting here to change my trust rating. I just wanted to reply since this has been "Trending" this week. 

[LoyceV]

The trust system isn't moderated, you're better off addressing this to Blazed (assuming you're talking about who I think you're talking about).

I'm pretty sure Blazed put The Pharmacist on DT2 because of the way he's fighting spam. He just gave his red trust a much stronger taste.
I see he added actmyname too, congratulations on the promotion! I see you're already collecing retaliation feedback too.

If I do not need to "master" English to post as a regular user then who going to decide which users have good English and not?

Your level of English seems okay in this topic.

Look at how many complaints he got up in recent day and don't tell me you could easily dismiss all of that cause

The Pharmacist got targeted the moment he turned DT2. People who never cared about his red trust, now suddenly have red trust on DT2. I've seen people who instantly stop posting their oneliners, and suddenly only open threads in Reputation. The moment their signature doesn't pay them anymore, they don't care about their oneliners anymore. And that proves The Pharmacist is right!

For your case, I can't speak for The Pharmacist, but I'm pretty sure posts like these are the reason he tagged you:

Get it and not putting a cent into those coins.

I hate how the fuel jump up when that crypto cat happen.

Damn, OP nailed it.

Put a bit in it but not too much.

You often take less than a minute to respond to a thread with 100+ posts. No matter what your level of English is, you're not contributing any value this way.
If you would have put half as much effort into all your posts as you do now in this thread, you wouldn't have been tagged.

No need for Theymos to review the trust system.
Some members should just pay attention to the guidlines carefully.

- Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts.

Good find! But, although his post is older than my account, I think it's safe to say spam wasn't such a big problem 4 years ago.