PEERBET 2.0 OUT! *DRK*! Peerbet.org/PeerDice.org INVEST 0.3% Edge! Dice BTC/Alts

[theskillzdatklls]

Wanted to thank you guys for not running a scam site like so many others out there.

[JoeMattie]

I have two withdrawals that have not processed yet.

WP13F52R3O6P82L
WRQ7EI4032OQRNA

please process these.

[casinobitco]

Hi - We're taking a look at your play to validate a few things before we process it, given the recent cheating / scamming / whatever occuring on other dice sites, we don't want to prematurely send investors funds without being 100% sure there is no foul play.

We appreciate your patience on this.

Thanks

I have two withdrawals that have not processed yet.

WP13F52R3O6P82L
WRQ7EI4032OQRNA

please process these.

[JoeMattie]

Hi - We're taking a look at your play to validate a few things before we process it, given the recent cheating / scamming / whatever occuring on other dice sites, we don't want to prematurely send investors funds without being 100% sure there is no foul play.

We appreciate your patience on this.

Thanks

I have two withdrawals that have not processed yet.

WP13F52R3O6P82L
WRQ7EI4032OQRNA

please process these.

I replied to your vaguely accusatory email:

We see some weird things on your account, but we could just be missing something. You started with 1.5 (by depositing), then your first roll - you had a balance of ~20 BTC.

Can you share your secret? Or point us to the spot where we missed?
 
Thanks - Tim

Here are some of the rolls, retrieved directly from your API:


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   "status":1,
   "games_list":[  
      {  
         "id":276836125,
         "game_cur":"10",
         "game_bet":"0.87872416",
         "game_won":"0.00000000",
         "dice_roll":36.7403,
         "dice_target":"> 52.9999",
         "server_seed":"706482375-44NG1g7cb3443UD96I37",
         "server_hash":"f7e18d3d2d5f244d79aef176fe9828e7b1746a527966888393ac1aabc280f168",
         "client_seed":"74088710",
         "date":"2014-09-11 10:36:13"
      },
      {  
         "id":276836110,
         "game_cur":"10",
         "game_bet":"0.87872416",
         "game_won":"1.85092961",
         "dice_roll":62.7746,
         "dice_target":"> 52.9999",
         "server_seed":"234693536-758bssM49e49i8379SR5",
         "server_hash":"201d72636e593c4669a9fd52e8ac1faedec423d146b4101acebe10f1532fa8d9",
         "client_seed":"85215528",
         "date":"2014-09-11 10:36:11"
      },
      {  
         "id":276836091,
         "game_cur":"10",
         "game_bet":"0.87872416",
         "game_won":"1.85092961",
         "dice_roll":85.6527,
         "dice_target":"> 52.9999",
         "server_seed":"910958055-H11Hp8icg652282Im381",
         "server_hash":"7b7e22a65c1ac158381df71d3000625abc934fb629fff4451156f50a2d10ddc3",
         "client_seed":"644516604",
         "date":"2014-09-11 10:36:09"
      },
      {  
         "id":276836078,
         "game_cur":"10",
         "game_bet":"0.87872416",
         "game_won":"1.85092961",
         "dice_roll":67.0679,
         "dice_target":"> 52.9999",
         "server_seed":"8056463-Tat5Bm4969R72TZ82E50",
         "server_hash":"44b38aae0834b5c63cd4a70dd39c2fd0d6ccc7049a1e09cc2b41b0540db1255e",
         "client_seed":"830593220",
         "date":"2014-09-11 10:36:07"
      },
      {  
         "id":276836063,
         "game_cur":"10",
         "game_bet":"0.87872416",
         "game_won":"1.85092961",
         "dice_roll":75.5046,
         "dice_target":"> 52.9999",
         "server_seed":"427397485-277CWxtGU4JaU20V139Y",
         "server_hash":"c9a5153a6962e497f0adac9e8c891a490773e1c1f8c5a6b5c5b2e108e2c45ecb",
         "client_seed":"372980716",
         "date":"2014-09-11 10:36:05"
      },
      {  
         "id":276836043,
         "game_cur":"10",
         "game_bet":"0.87872416",
         "game_won":"1.85092961",
         "dice_roll":60.1755,
         "dice_target":"> 52.9999",
         "server_seed":"83742173-6s8j2UvMP91Xnl4knF3M",
         "server_hash":"15046be655c78d5895a927d506c5f2db1f17cb9eba29bf802791bdc24af4ec4f",
         "client_seed":"213808833",
         "date":"2014-09-11 10:36:02"
      },
      {  
         "id":276836028,
         "game_cur":"10",
         "game_bet":"0.87872416",
         "game_won":"0.00000000",
         "dice_roll":90.1320,
         "dice_target":"< 47.0000",
         "server_seed":"142762693-9p14X46N8NY6w9814t8x",
         "server_hash":"75191bf0b3beaaf4b311f59a4151fba1d345522d3e6be9fa96e13b3a3c1e6cc1",
         "client_seed":"127573798",
         "date":"2014-09-11 10:36:01"
      },
      {  
         "id":276836014,
         "game_cur":"10",
         "game_bet":"0.87872416",
         "game_won":"1.85092961",
         "dice_roll":16.8165,
         "dice_target":"< 47.0000",
         "server_seed":"771566227-5KZW88yRUyh7t1wy727k",
         "server_hash":"b9bfa583033a0115935f385944b6fc3af08df68a6900d412f4cbfcc0622a23c4",
         "client_seed":"829400045",
         "date":"2014-09-11 10:35:59"
      },
      {  
         "id":276835994,
         "game_cur":"10",
         "game_bet":"0.43936208",
         "game_won":"0.92546480",
         "dice_roll":38.3746,
         "dice_target":"< 47.0000",
         "server_seed":"323620076-L6M27e1636k4ymr5x83s",
         "server_hash":"bff5c1551f6f2dcf3196bc75b7c46de95cc598b68f4f2302cf727f450791a764",
         "client_seed":"47531621",
         "date":"2014-09-11 10:35:56"
      },
      {  
         "id":276835981,
         "game_cur":"10",
         "game_bet":"0.21968104",
         "game_won":"0.00000000",
         "dice_roll":18.6453,
         "dice_target":"> 52.9999",
         "server_seed":"893406487-59wLM1F5TNEb1B1vYDL9",
         "server_hash":"d0eeb3d6d9e7a53b2623d7e2d86005861d5715059e415cfbb81c42abb6231e18",
         "client_seed":"563574634",
         "date":"2014-09-11 10:35:55"
      },
      {  
         "id":276835969,
         "game_cur":"10",
         "game_bet":"0.10984052",
         "game_won":"0.23136620",
         "dice_roll":96.1212,
         "dice_target":"> 52.9999",
         "server_seed":"257201082-OrP7EEo57284T3M8aU43",
         "server_hash":"b8e25a99cec1a775eb8ad6304173801e8476b5a3493a886a015bd66144f17abd",
         "client_seed":"488028314",
         "date":"2014-09-11 10:35:54"
      },
      {  
         "id":276835900,
         "game_cur":"10",
         "game_bet":"1.28000000",
         "game_won":"0.00000000",
         "dice_roll":33.2947,
         "dice_target":"> 52.9999",
         "server_seed":"903281385-46xl475548MCBrmW6479",
         "server_hash":"c7e3e62c70f910deda71a97f18c7d8f4ad7dc796d1cb4ef3777c7fe9afb23a47",
         "client_seed":"711824601",
         "date":"2014-09-11 10:35:45"
      },
      {  
         "id":276835884,
         "game_cur":"10",
         "game_bet":"0.64000000",
         "game_won":"0.00000000",
         "dice_roll":49.5547,
         "dice_target":"> 52.9999",
         "server_seed":"911873586-2bqn55pi4p8lKS554x4B",
         "server_hash":"ebe8b36a70b36cf9f61ca2c569658ee819a101d33b0c0b3b9d2f7d8c01b2429e",
         "client_seed":"646970767",
         "date":"2014-09-11 10:35:42"
      },
      {  
         "id":276835867,
         "game_cur":"10",
         "game_bet":"0.32000000",
         "game_won":"0.00000000",
         "dice_roll":27.0232,
         "dice_target":"> 52.9999",
         "server_seed":"97292513-158641Dn014502at36R2",
         "server_hash":"b91fe8571c6f827a834dc6c10a7d528fccdacd1752e1d06ecafc2ef644e632be",
         "client_seed":"305053280",
         "date":"2014-09-11 10:35:40"
      },
      {  
         "id":276835851,
         "game_cur":"10",
         "game_bet":"0.32000000",
         "game_won":"0.67404255",
         "dice_roll":89.4852,
         "dice_target":"> 52.9999",
         "server_seed":"240562447-PP13O141NW38CYI94D34",
         "server_hash":"58056ce14d0fe8ef31d70b8b0cc50268ed6e9b9ffe0d0909db1757810bbec373",
         "client_seed":"512717568",
         "date":"2014-09-11 10:35:39"
      },
      {  
         "id":276835836,
         "game_cur":"10",
         "game_bet":"0.16000000",
         "game_won":"0.33702127",
         "dice_roll":93.3263,
         "dice_target":"> 52.9999",
         "server_seed":"126196645-JN7iR37d5DI2O26j5Rpv",
         "server_hash":"b4a30f1989dff6e48d87210c9923bd113e3f6d5f24007a86141cb3dcaf9badc0",
         "client_seed":"655451798",
         "date":"2014-09-11 10:35:37"
      },
      {  
         "id":276835821,
         "game_cur":"10",
         "game_bet":"0.08000000",
         "game_won":"0.00000000",
         "dice_roll":20.4751,
         "dice_target":"> 52.9999",
         "server_seed":"209774270-5ji2omxj7881e48W0G1s",
         "server_hash":"dd8d47bec977f10816350029a97d0ab07b0b434592e7247926726591f87a455d",
         "client_seed":"334785025",
         "date":"2014-09-11 10:35:35"
      }
   ]
}

I'm not sure what the issue is, but I won those BTC fair and square and I don't appreciate you holding my withdrawals.

[JoeMattie]

Bumping this thread for exposure.

WHERE IS MY WITHDRAWAL?

[Aviba]

I also have been ripped on this site, for 1 BTC - same deal, baseless cheating accusation sent to my e-mail, to which i replied but then got ignored. also ignored on this thread.
I highly recommend to stop playing on this site.

[JoeMattie]

I am an avid dicer and many site owners will vouch for me.  I promise to rake you guys over the coals if you don't make good on my withdrawal.  I have not cheated on your site, and I demand that you cash me out.

[theskillzdatklls]

I am an avid dicer and many site owners will vouch for me.  I promise to rake you guys over the coals if you don't make good on my withdrawal.  I have not cheated on your site, and I demand that you cash me out.

If you really just won a decent five figure sum why can't you just be a little patient? I think they are being perfectly reasonable.

[JoeMattie]

I am an avid dicer and many site owners will vouch for me.  I promise to rake you guys over the coals if you don't make good on my withdrawal.  I have not cheated on your site, and I demand that you cash me out.

If you really just won a decent five figure sum why can't you just be a little patient? I think they are being perfectly reasonable.

Because I don't want to be swept under the rug.

My account has been locked on their site, and this upsets me.

I have not received any response from them in over 8 hours.

I'm not trying to be a dick here, but these guys need to learn to treat their whales a little better.

[casinobitco]

We've been in contact with this user, and have literally just one question which he hasn't answered for us yet. We don't air any of our players dirty laundry out in the forums, even when they try to tarnish our name and reputation. Investors in the PeerBet bankroll deserve this kind of due diligence from operators, if the user won this BTC fair and square we will gladly update this thread and send the BTC, but need the single question we asked him answered before we reach a verdict.

Maybe more to come - but I'm not one to come into the threads and shout at the top of my lungs... Our reputation and track record speak for themselves.

I am an avid dicer and many site owners will vouch for me.  I promise to rake you guys over the coals if you don't make good on my withdrawal.  I have not cheated on your site, and I demand that you cash me out.

If you really just won a decent five figure sum why can't you just be a little patient? I think they are being perfectly reasonable.

Because I don't want to be swept under the rug.

My account has been locked on their site, and this upsets me.

I have not received any response from them in over 8 hours.

I'm not trying to be a dick here, but these guys need to learn to treat their whales a little better.

[JoeMattie]

this is the email I received:

Joe - you didn't in fact win them fair and square, I appreciate you sharing your dice rolls - and we have the same on our side; however, where did the extra ~19 BTC come from before you started playing. If we have a bug / exploit - we'll happily pay you for it if you share the details; otherwise to protect the investors of PeerBet - the rest of your play is in fact null and void as you were playing with money which wasn't yours.
 
I'm not trying to be difficult at all here, in fact  - I'm being pretty reasonable.

I have absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

What extra 20 BTC?

I deposited 1.5 BTC, played until I had 20, requested a cash out of 15, played some more until I had over 10, requested a cash out of 10...

What are the timestamps on the first cashout request and my rolls after that??

[JoeMattie]

I see you are currently deleting my rolls from your database.  What gives? I am trying to work with you to get to the bottom of this issue.

[JoeMattie]

It appears that somehow you aren't showing any of the rolls I placed from the time I deposited until my first cashout of 15 BTC.  The 20 BTC you are talking about mysteriously appearing is what I won between when I deposited and requested my first cash out.  Does that answer your question??  Look at your investment profit.  You are -25 what you were before I started yesterday.  Audit that number and you will find my rolls, I guarantee you.

[JoeMattie]

I want to see every single roll placed on your server from the time of my 1.5 BTC deposit until now.  I will show you where you are wrong.

[casinobitco]

dude - just stop.

It appears that somehow you aren't showing any of the rolls I placed from the time I deposited until my first cashout of 15 BTC.  The 20 BTC you are talking about mysteriously appearing is what I won between when I deposited and requested my first cash out.  Does that answer your question??  Look at your investment profit.  You are -25 what you were before I started yesterday.  Audit that number and you will find my rolls, I guarantee you.

[JoeMattie]

Just stop?  You need to look into this closer.  If you want me to stop show me a log of ever single roll placed on your server from the time of this deposit: D8T1U281GE470E2 10:07 last night by your server's time until 10:41

[NLNico]

Yeh, JoeMattie is well known on almost all dice sites. He is known for winning (and losing) 20 - 100 btc easily. Replying with "dude - just stop" sounds a bit sketchy. I don't know JoeMattie personally at all, but, considering his gamble reputation, him going from 1.5 > 25 seems definitely possible to me. If he requests for full transparency to solve this issue, I don't see the problem with that.

Hope it gets resolved I do think Dice sites checking things before big withdrawals are fine.

[casinobitco]

We are pulling all the data together, and will share them with Joe first. If we are in the wrong - we'll publicly admit it... CasinoBitco.in is a public company, that's been operating successfully for over a year and a half. It does us no good to 'cheat' a player on PeerBet (which isn't even our funds, it's an investor funded bankroll).

Interesting - I believe this is AKCoin who is a bigger hitter and runner on a lot of dice sites, I believe he started on Jackpot dice and then had a big run on wins then losses at JD.  Also have watched him play elsewhere.  

Will be interesting to see the outcome.

[mentally1111]

dude - just stop.

It appears that somehow you aren't showing any of the rolls I placed from the time I deposited until my first cashout of 15 BTC.  The 20 BTC you are talking about mysteriously appearing is what I won between when I deposited and requested my first cash out.  Does that answer your question??  Look at your investment profit.  You are -25 what you were before I started yesterday.  Audit that number and you will find my rolls, I guarantee you.

This is an absolutely disgusting way to deal with a player. I have never heard of your site and now will never try it.

Where the hell do you get off telling him to 'just stop'??

[casinobitco]

As promised, I'm hear to tell you that we were mistaken due to some technical glitches on our side. So we were in fact wrong - and have publicly and privately apologized to AKCoinD.

While the past day was rough for AKCoinD and us both, we stand by taking extra time and diligence to verify the play was fair and accurate. Our only intention is offer a great gaming experience for our users and to protect our investor's bankroll and funds. Nothing more, nothing less. In this case, the data which was available to us in our admin interfaces was in fact off, but as we looked further into our logs and archives we were able to sort out the discrepancy.

Full details and root-cause are below:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Htr_ifG6NtZxFkaOZ5MYjxZEgc0RfX4O_HBN2UNsspo/edit?usp=sharing

Txid for AkCoinD's winnings: https://blockchain.info/tx/b8df0b1b762fed807ddc9f2655a646c271c1c7d7b41bb4501faedfb7afdd362e

We are pulling all the data together, and will share them with Joe first. If we are in the wrong - we'll publicly admit it... CasinoBitco.in is a public company, that's been operating successfully for over a year and a half. It does us no good to 'cheat' a player on PeerBet (which isn't even our funds, it's an investor funded bankroll).

Interesting - I believe this is AKCoin who is a bigger hitter and runner on a lot of dice sites, I believe he started on Jackpot dice and then had a big run on wins then losses at JD.  Also have watched him play elsewhere.  

Will be interesting to see the outcome.