Merit System Numbers too high to achieve - A Suggestion

[Jet Cash]

People will post less which will make the board less attractive for project devs .
Since it will be harder to move up in rank ,there will be less people with avatars and flashy sigs (the higher your ank is ,the more visible your signature is_ .All in all ,same issue ,project devs won't find as much interest in this board .

Now that sounds like a real positive benefit. Good heavens, people might even start to talk about Bitcoin.

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[felixfortunato]

This is gonna kill the forum if it stays that way .
People will post less which will make the board less attractive for project devs .
Since it will be harder to move up in rank ,there will be less people with avatars and flashy sigs (the higher your ank is ,the more visible your signature is_ .All in all ,same issue ,project devs won't find as much interest in this board .

The huge number of members and posts is the most important thing for this place .

I don't think so, this move is actually good for the forum, now the bitcoin discussion thread will be filled with people talking about the development of bitcoin and what's currently happening with it, not filled with threads talking about nonsense stuffs. When I signed up on here I thought I'll learn and be updated on what's currently happening with segwit and the new lightning network but when I browse around the bitcoin discussion thread all I see are posts not even related to what's currently happening, which is unfortunate knowing that this used to be the forum where satoshi created bitcoin.

If people will post less then that's their problem, this will always be the place for announcement threads so I don't think your argument regarding project devs not finding this forum attractive enough for advertisement is valid. This is the place where cryptocurrency started so project devs will always find this board interesting.

You're wrong about that as well, quality post is the most important thing about this place and for any forum in the world wide web.

[jambola2]

I agree with you in the fact that it seems certain that the Merit system will not just add a quality requirement, but also increase the overall time requirement. And it might seem unfair that the time requirement is increased.
But arguably an increase in time requirement seems like it was deserved. With account farming, users seem to be bursting through the rank caps a lot faster than should be expected.

I could've seen this implemented due to just an increase in required activity... but this was a lot better.

[kenzawak]

You're wrong about that as well

I'm sure that you only meant to say that you disagreed with me ,not that I'm wrong ...that would be rude otherwise .

I used to run a forum and the quality was great but it was only a fraction of what it was supposed to be in terms of popularity .Why ?Because scammers ,shitty posts and scammers weren't allowed .The only difference is the purpose of my board wasn't for its members to make money ,it was for them to have fun .For this one here ,it is about money or are you gonna tell me again that I'm wrong and people are here for...fun ?

[yojodojo21]

Meta section is crowded with threads that has a topic about merits, well this is a new feature where somebody can consider it as a blessing and while other consider it as a bad timing. 1 day of implementing merits and still counting. 

I have one and a half month to be a sr.member but I'm not expecting to achieve that rank because of this merit thing.

However, i will try my best.

Merit challenge accepted.

[hilariousetc]

This is gonna kill the forum if it stays that way .

It wont. It'll just force users to stop shitposting if they want a chance of earning anything here.

People will post less which will make the board less attractive for project devs .

Correction: It will make people post less shitposts. Devs will never stop shilling their crap here as the forum is too valuable to them and there's currently no better or bigger audience and this merit system wont change that.

Since it will be harder to move up in rank ,there will be less people with avatars and flashy sigs (the higher your ank is ,the more visible your signature is_ .

Good. I don't see this as a negative.

All in all ,same issue ,project devs won't find as much interest in this board .

I seriously doubt it. This forum is still a goldmine to them. Where else can they advertise for free to tens of thousands of users?

The huge number of members and posts is the most important thing for this place .

And that won't change, but I'd rather there be much better quality posts than just streams of shit posted just so users can rank up. The only people who are seemingly complaining about this are those that are now going to have to put some effort into their posts and can't just lazily hit ranks over time.

[flip4flop]

It will stop shitposter from ranking up which is a great thing however it doesnt do anything for members who provide quality post and are not getting any merit because other users may be upset they are not getting any which just trickles down to everyone staying where they are.  This only benefits the top who are already ranked up and this doesnt matter to them.  I like the idea in general but this could drive people who do contribute away if the contribute but have no hope of ever realistically ranking up because they are not getting merit.

[skyworth15]

It will stop shitposter from ranking up which is a great thing however it doesnt do anything for members who provide quality post and are not getting any merit because other users may be upset they are not getting any which just trickles down to everyone staying where they are.  This only benefits the top who are already ranked up and this doesnt matter to them.  I like the idea in general but this could drive people who do contribute away if the contribute but have no hope of ever realistically ranking up because they are not getting merit.

yeah you're right.. this kind of rules is only for the members who are already ranked up and doesnt matter to them if they dont ranked up anymore. how about people who post quality post but doesnt get any kind of merit. its hard to get merit in this new kind of rules. i know this kind of rules is set up so that the admin monitor or control all members that post shit post in the forum. but it has big effect also to the members that post quality post. hope we can make a consideration and revised the new rules. thanks

[askmecrypto]

The system is great and if implemented in true sense without favourism can only benefit for everyone.

Prediction:
Its Just the first day of this system but come back here after a month or so and you will see Jr Member and all other ranks will stuck at where they are and all those Selfish DT Members (Lunda / Pharmist / Actmyname  etc)  + Not Selfish DT Members   + few good friends of them  will have  buckets full of merits  and bitcointalk will be for those only 500 to 600 Users. 

Now you see a spam by the Selffish DT members that "Improve your post quality" And we will still tag you Shit Poster

So no need to debate on this, just come back after a month on this and check the merits of everyone 


Anyways now coming for the help of Ordinary public of bitcointalk, I have just one suggestion , Can we lower the number of the merits in order to achieve Ranks.

I mean if a Member needs 10 then why not

Full Member    20
Sr. Member    30
Hero Member    40
Legand               50

Of course only a good poster will first get 10 points to become member and time it take to achieve Hero to Leg. is still that same 1.3  to 2 years.
 

Though I am a Full Member and its going to take a long long time for me to achieve the merit system required to grab the next rank, but again, the suggestion posted makes no sense.

There is a reason the "Newbies/Jr Member" have the tag, cause they are New and they need to learn and hence they deserve to get a better rank on a lower metrics score so that they will be encouraged to post more quality posts.

On the other side, "Full/Sr" Members are in the forum from at least 4 months+, they should have used the time and space for learning instead of doing shit posting. They had enough time and encouragement and are expected to write way better quality posts then the Newbies/Jr Members.

Over the time, people have started utilizing the forum just for the sake of bounties and have forgotten the real reason behind establishment of this forum. The new merit system will bring a lot of sense to these guys and encourage them on working on there understanding/learning/knowledge base.

[frowsiter]

The merit system is best thing we have achieved for our forum and this is surely going to end the poor quality posting. People will now learn how hard it is for a manager to choose yourself while working on signature campaign, it’s pain staking job!

I have seen people crying around the signature campaign, about their non acceptance in the campaign. But a manger knows very well what he is doing, and the Merit system is what will support the managers the most.

I can’t believe that people are still trying to have midway around the merit system by making it simpler in one way other.

How hard it is to write a quality posts guys? You just have to follow the rules, and come on even high school level students are better now a days. I’m sure most of us here are adolescents plus! At least we can acquire that sense of writing, read, read and study that is what will save our ass and nothing else.

Those who fear of the system already are the one who are not accepting the change due to their inadequacy and inabilities to think that they can do better posting.

Let’s accept the Merit Syetm and protocol which is published already. On top of that we should make sure that the system doesn’t get corrupted in the long run with helping hands! It has t be pure and earned by ourselves.

[kenzawak]

The only people who are seemingly complaining about this are those that are now going to have to put some effort into their posts and can't just lazily hit ranks over time.

I'm complaining because I was a week away from moving up .
I do put effort in my posts ,I help beginners (when I can because I consider myself to be one too) ,I post a lot of airdrops (good ones ,not shitty ones...I mostly do it in the French section because the us topic is a trashcan) and I give my opinion on trading (also ask questions) .
I don't spam and I don't post anything that is useless in my opinion ...but now I will be a full member in what ?6 months ,a year ?I have zero knowledge in mining ,I'm not an expert in trading yet so getting those merit points will be hard to get ,I'm sure of it .
But I'm in no way lazy or useless to this board .

And the people complaining ,from what I've seen are people like me .The lazy ones ,the spammers and other shitty posters are too afraid to say anything and expect to rank up by whoring .

[Durr_1412]

If it's that easy to get points then it defeats the whole purpose of the system and it makes it much easier to farm/sell points.

Lmao.
Do you understand what are you saying?
BTW I don't want to talk with another Legendary who get benefit from this system.
Good luck with your happiness.
One day no one care about this forum if this Merit score isn't changed, and don't react with my prediction yet.
Keep this Merit system going on and don't change anything, and remember my prediction.
King will be rotated.
You are not unique in this crypto-world.

[Sasuke102001]

The merit system is there to encourage you to make quality posts. Contribute something positive to a topic by saying more then I agree. You can get multiple merit points for your replies if users deem it a quality post.

I want to see the numbers doubled or tripled honestly. Users have 35 weeks to start from newbie to sr member and 70 weeks to get to hero. That is plenty of time to get the merit points required in order to rank up.

All these users that troll the bitcoin discussion section, trading discussion, altcoin discussion, economy, and speculation sections are going to need to start making better posts or they'll be stuck at their current rank for a long time.

It's meant to be a little tough but not impossible.

Sir, I totally agree that the merit system was implemented to encourage quality posting but there are some people who have already found out ways to get the merits and rank up fast even if they aren't giving quality posts. In the Meta section, there is already a thread made about the accounts which are abusing the merit system (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2823221.0)
     
Another thing sir there are many people who are giving merits to only the high ranked and famous members of this forum like you all and literally, it would get difficult for even members who are giving quality posts to gain merits because no one is interested to give merits to the lower and less known members because all are busy sending merits to big and famous members. It was just a thought that I had and what I saw in these 2 days, correct me if I am wrong about any part here.

[Soke]

The system is great and if implemented in true sense without favourism can only benefit for everyone.

Prediction:
Its Just the first day of this system but come back here after a month or so and you will see Jr Member and all other ranks will stuck at where they are and all those Selfish DT Members (Lunda / Pharmist / Actmyname  etc)  + Not Selfish DT Members   + few good friends of them  will have  buckets full of merits  and bitcointalk will be for those only 500 to 600 Users. 

Now you see a spam by the Selffish DT members that "Improve your post quality" And we will still tag you Shit Poster

So no need to debate on this, just come back after a month on this and check the merits of everyone 


Anyways now coming for the help of Ordinary public of bitcointalk, I have just one suggestion , Can we lower the number of the merits in order to achieve Ranks.

I mean if a Member needs 10 then why not

Full Member    20
Sr. Member    30
Hero Member    40
Legand               50

Of course only a good poster will first get 10 points to become member and time it take to achieve Hero to Leg. is still that same 1.3  to 2 years.
 

The ranks aren't proportionally equal so it can't be set like that.  I like the new merit system.  This is similar to Ebay's feedback ratings. 

[CARrency]

It is funny how people try to minimize or stop the idea of this system and be totally drag down by a lot of answers from the people who think this idea is great. In the end they can't do anything but to follow. After a month or a week maybe another thread will be made about this and it will be either minimizing the requirement or complaining about it.

[qiman]

I think the MERIT SYSTEM is good in the way that it will help get rid of the many bounty hunter cheaters that have pervaded the forum. Giving value and getting value from everyone posting something decent on this forum will make it a much more pleasant space to be in and grow/develop at the same time. Just seeing 'when lambo' and 'when moon' posts popping up and 'this is a shit coin', baseless FUD posts to try to bring down the competition, does not help readers or potential investors into the Crypto/Bitcoin market space. Although I do like sometimes the sense of humor, let's put quality back into the forum and help guide and encourage the Newbies to contribute in a good way while they are learning their way around. 

[MAbtc]

That won't work for me. I'm a selfish bugger, and I've only got a few points to give away. They will go to people who help me regardless of their status. For example, if I want to set up a node on a Raspberry Pi, then a newbie could have a lot of Pi experience and make valuable contributions, and he should be rewarded for it. Alternaively if a poster states "My dog prefers Strawberry Pie", then he should get nothing, under the old system he would have got an activity point.

You and I may not have much sMerit to give. But from the way I've seen some folks throwing it around, that's not true for everyone. My guess is, the distribution method isn't going to end well:

The supply implications (e.g. decay and how actively people use the merit system) also aren't obvious. So, even if people do use them as intended (as a reward for quality posts), we don't know how well-distributed they will be. For example, it's theoretically possible that once the initial sMerit awarded yesterday is mostly spent, that sMerit mostly circulates within limited social networks that revolve around merit sources.

[Potato Chips]

That won't work for me. I'm a selfish bugger, and I've only got a few points to give away. They will go to people who help me regardless of their status. For example, if I want to set up a node on a Raspberry Pi, then a newbie could have a lot of Pi experience and make valuable contributions, and he should be rewarded for it. Alternaively if a poster states "My dog prefers Strawberry Pie", then he should get nothing, under the old system he would have got an activity point.

You and I may not have much sMerit to give. But from the way I've seen some folks throwing it around, that's not true for everyone. My guess is, the distribution method isn't going to end well:

The supply implications (e.g. decay and how actively people use the merit system) also aren't obvious. So, even if people do use them as intended (as a reward for quality posts), we don't know how well-distributed they will be. For example, it's theoretically possible that once the initial sMerit awarded yesterday is mostly spent, that sMerit mostly circulates within limited social networks that revolve around merit sources.

If the post is really worthy to be merited, I don't mind. And the system allows you to gain sMerits if someone merited your posts so even if a large portion of merits are sent to merit sources they can just give the sMerits they gained to other people.

But the distribution is really an important question. I think we should have a designated boards for every N number of merit sources just like we have a specific moderator/s for every board. They should still have the power to give merits in whatever board but only after they've finished doing their rounds on their designated boards.

At any rate, We'll see how efficient the distribution is after a month or two so let's give it some time first  

[arthur25]

The system is great and if implemented in true sense without favourism can only benefit for everyone.

Prediction:
Its Just the first day of this system but come back here after a month or so and you will see Jr Member and all other ranks will stuck at where they are and all those Selfish DT Members (Lunda / Pharmist / Actmyname  etc)  + Not Selfish DT Members   + few good friends of them  will have  buckets full of merits  and bitcointalk will be for those only 500 to 600 Users. 

Now you see a spam by the Selffish DT members that "Improve your post quality" And we will still tag you Shit Poster

So no need to debate on this, just come back after a month on this and check the merits of everyone 


Anyways now coming for the help of Ordinary public of bitcointalk, I have just one suggestion , Can we lower the number of the merits in order to achieve Ranks.

I mean if a Member needs 10 then why not

Full Member    20
Sr. Member    30
Hero Member    40
Legand               50

Of course only a good poster will first get 10 points to become member and time it take to achieve Hero to Leg. is still that same 1.3  to 2 years.
 

Though I am a Full Member and its going to take a long long time for me to achieve the merit system required to grab the next rank, but again, the suggestion posted makes no sense.

There is a reason the "Newbies/Jr Member" have the tag, cause they are New and they need to learn and hence they deserve to get a better rank on a lower metrics score so that they will be encouraged to post more quality posts.

On the other side, "Full/Sr" Members are in the forum from at least 4 months+, they should have used the time and space for learning instead of doing shit posting. They had enough time and encouragement and are expected to write way better quality posts then the Newbies/Jr Members.

Over the time, people have started utilizing the forum just for the sake of bounties and have forgotten the real reason behind establishment of this forum. The new merit system will bring a lot of sense to these guys and encourage them on working on there understanding/learning/knowledge base.

Merit is favored to all. This will serve as a gas to move properly with this kind of terms.
Yes, I really aspire you guys (Member-Legendary). But the merit system seems unfair to us as jr. I am not so good with regards in Engligh language and I try my best to improve.
My point is this not all full members - legendary are doing their best to promote a good constructive quality post. Why those communities are favored too.? Is that a token of respect for being here for a long time.?

[tokeweed]

Meta section is crowded with threads that has a topic about merits, well this is a new feature where somebody can consider it as a blessing and while other consider it as a bad timing. 1 day of implementing merits and still counting. 

I have one and a half month to be a sr.member but I'm not expecting to achieve that rank because of this merit thing.

However, i will try my best.

Merit challenge accepted.

That's the thing tho.  Does ranking up really matter?  What if theymos got rid of it entirely...?  Would that still interest you to keep posting even if you didn't feel like it?  No, right?