MERIT - A DEFINITION OF, RICH PEOPLE BECOME RICHER, POOR PEOPLE MAINTAIN POOR

[Durr_1412]

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Which one exactly? Those are the only "questions" I see in the 3 posts you just quoted above:

"Lmao, are you threatening me? It seems to be."
"Is his silence because he doesn't agree or he have nothing to defend himself?"

Actually, what exactly is this post? I only see 10 pages of pure garbage and no arguments.

Inb4: Something along the lines of "Hahaha another high rank level help each other out. You guys on the same board. i don't mind."

Then why are you keep reading?

I am going to sleep, have a good night you all.

If I am not replying this thread, I do not quit.

I just work or do something else. And don't read your response yet.

Do not tell me to show up when you know I am not online.

Don't do that on my back.

You are free to leave a comment here, I will read it later.

why do you leave one line after each sentence, that's really annoying and makes me want to ignore your posts. You are just making 2 line posts look bigger for your signature campaign. How do you expect anyone would give merit for if you do this.

And Hello Hero Member named jtipt above, this guy leave one line after each sentence. Say something here please. Don't try to kiss ass people.
Shame on you.

People not saying anything doesn't mean that they are scared to. It could mean that they don't agree with you.
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See that now?? I asked Hero Member named jtipt why he complained my post which I left a line each sentence.
However he say nothing when TMAN another Hero Member left a line each sentence too.
You came and help explaining he doesn't scare. What is that? Haha.
So you think Hero Member can complain me lower rank because leaving a line each sentence and OK with another Hero Member still do the exact same thing.
Don't back anyone up when you are not in case.
Shitpost LEGENDARY.

If you aren't interested in it, welcome to leave.
Defending the one you don't even know and don't know where is my question and what is it about? Then why you come to post?
For making fun???
Many of you against me and still no one answer my question of this topic. It is a shame.
And btw, I think you will ask what question is that.
So the question is how you are going to catch cheater and how do you stop trading if they use fb messenger, twitter, or their own country app to trade sMerit?

[TryNinja]

Then why are you keep reading?
If you aren't interested in it, welcome to leave. Don't shit post here?
Defending the one you don't even know and don't know where is my question. Then why you come to post?
For making fun???

Why do you keep attacking people instead of telling us what exactly do you want?

Can you start over again and say what is the point of this post? What do you want to discuss? Post your arguments/questions and I will happily answer/discuss them.

[Durr_1412]

Then why are you keep reading?
If you aren't interested in it, welcome to leave. Don't shit post here?
Defending the one you don't even know and don't know where is my question. Then why you come to post?
For making fun???

Why do you keep attacking people instead of telling us what exactly do you want?

Can you start over again and say what is the point of this post? What do you want to discuss? Post your arguments/questions and I will happily answer/discuss them.

Hello, I don't attack anyone, they come and strike me first.
Please check this thread out.
Just like that Legendary above.
He don't even know what going on and come to strike me for protecting his high level fellow.

My point is the system should create something like anti-cheater app or just shut this system down because sMerit is now on trading. Why give sMerit too many for high level rank Member? And leave nothing for Newbee or Jr.Member??? If those new members find out a satisfied answer for their question. They can't merit because they are low level. If this merit given by devs, I have nothing to say. I am speechless.
If this merit given by these old member, I disagree totally. What make them qualify for that authority?
And I did agreed with another Sr.Member above to leave this system run for a few week to see what is going on. And those higher rank jokers come to attack me. You can check it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2822726.msg28992718#msg28992718

[legendster]

Answer my question 1st, DO NOT SKIP IT. DON'T PRETEND you not reading it yet.
Is it because you are Hero Member so he doesn't censure you even you did the same thing as me.
Answer this.

If you all people going on the slow leaking board and no one detect but me, should I go with you on that board?
So funny. Do I have to follow what you all doing?

Maybe its funny to you, but its not funny to me. If it weren't for shit posters, I would not have to maintain a board like this myself : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2165225.20
If it weren't for shit posters the forum search button would actually be useful to find relevant topics.
If it weren't for shit posters FINDING a genuine trade offer on this forum would not be so damn hard.

And stop your bullshit about be getting preferential treatment, the day I joined this forum and naively asked for an unsecured NAMECOIN loan, tomatocage tagged me with a scammer mark. I went up against Quickseller I went up against Vod, Lauda and numerous others on my car brokering thread where I was fuckin victimized for trying something new that hasn't been tried. I have been subjected to racism, bullying and tagged red, YET I AM HERE! because I am not a fuckin shit poster, because I am not a scammer, because I contribute!

I am not rich AND I have been using the merit system the way it is supposed to be used. if someone can't come up with something meaningful to write here, then they're dumb. PERIOD. maybe there are dumb AND on (in?) periods. Who knows!?

And for fucks sake, you MAY say something nice, it does not mean that I HAVE to pay you for it. YES, merit system would be used to PAY users. READ the OP from Theymos. AND QUIT WHINING like a retard. Getting Merit is not a matter of right but a privilege. So is getting to earn from this place.

[Zulkin0s]

Merit system may be great for overall forum post quality, but now everybody complaining because they afraid of new system. Now we have 3 kind of users. First kind is newbies. They have no merit and they afraid that they will never rank up.
Second kind is users with small sMerit available. They afraid that they will not receive merit in future, so they don't sending merit to any post and prefer to hold it for bright future or for somebody who will pay for it (yes, I know that it's not good, but there are many Merit traders already).
Third kind is huge merit holders. I don't know if they afraid of something, but I hope that Hero/Legendary members will play fair and spend some sMerit on post that deserve it.  
The main thing that I afraid of, - is that huge sMerit holders will not play fair. How we can be sure that only good posts will receive merit? What about mults? I don't judge anybody, but we all know that there are many mults on forum, you can't run from this. What keeps oldest account from giving merit to his younger mult for some post? The quality of post is subjective thing, so good post for one will be shitpost for another.

Summary:
I'm just complaing like others, but merit system need to get older and users have to adopt to it. We'll see where it leads to.

[Durr_1412]

Answer my question 1st, DO NOT SKIP IT. DON'T PRETEND you not reading it yet.
Is it because you are Hero Member so he doesn't censure you even you did the same thing as me.
Answer this.

If you all people going on the slow leaking board and no one detect but me, should I go with you on that board?
So funny. Do I have to follow what you all doing?

Maybe its funny to you, but its not funny to me. If it weren't for shit posters, I would not have to maintain a board like this myself : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2165225.20
If it weren't for shit posters the forum search button would actually be useful to find relevant topics.
If it weren't for shit posters FINDING a genuine trade offer on this forum would not be so damn hard.

And stop your bullshit about be getting preferential treatment, the day I joined this forum and naively asked for an unsecured NAMECOIN loan, tomatocage tagged me with a scammer mark. I went up against Quickseller I went up against Vod, Lauda and numerous others on my car brokering thread where I was fuckin victimized for trying something new that hasn't been tried. I have been subjected to racism, bullying and tagged red, YET I AM HERE! because I am not a fuckin shit poster, because I am not a scammer, because I contribute!

I am not rich AND I have been using the merit system the way it is supposed to be used. if someone can't come up with something meaningful to write here, then they're dumb. PERIOD. maybe there are dumb AND on (in?) periods. Who knows!?

And for fucks sake, you MAY say something nice, it does not mean that I HAVE to pay you for it. YES, merit system would be used to PAY users. READ the OP from Theymos. AND QUIT WHINING like a retard. Getting Merit is not a matter of right but a privilege. So is getting to earn from this place.

Then why so many people response these thing? How many people is there joining this topic just telling me quit or give up or attack me?
And 80% of them are high level member. Why do you use this forum, because you want to earn something, who know? Everyone same here.
How can you tell people retard and you are not?
You may be right for spending more time in this forum and experiment up - down thing, but you are still here for earning. May be knowledge, may be real cash. Who know?
A new member come to join at least take 2 - 3 years to become a Legendary, do you think if any spam post can take that long time to reach that level.
I know someone here for five years and still Hero Member. New member of course sometime they just say what they thought honestly. And your high member tell them shitpost.
Time flies and they will learn more about this crypto-world.
That time, they won't spam post no more. You are expecting who join this forum have to be a genius or I won't give you anything if you don't contribute what your high rank people want.
What a ridiculous story.
And a Hero Member named TMAN admit he posted for piss me off. What do you think about that then?
He is not contributing, he is trolling? Who will judge him?
You are here in high level mean you are much older than us in ages literally.
Remember: King rotate.

[MiiDoViic]

Just because all legendaries are earning well or people who signed up here wanna earn money dosn't give you excuse that they should spam the forum with useless posts . I mean go look at bitcoin discussion , the whole thread is filled with questions that have been repeated 1000 times already . Also the same answers as the previous ones are in there . Also you are complaining that the lengaderies are getting more merits ! that's to be expected because they actually make quality posts and help others by offering new information, thus, they get rewarded for it , the point is they are not making those posts for the sole reason of getting money , but to actually help others and help improve the forum and they get rewarded in the process for their hard work. I'm a Full Member and I'm happy with this system , I believe it will make me work more on my post quality and put more thoughts into them. Not just post blindly to get paid from my signature campaign. Anyway you will get your merits if you stopped worrying about how much the others are getting. Instead of just bitching about it work for it ,even if you think it's not fair ,well surprise buddy nothing in this world is fair or has to meet your expectations. Lastly give the system few weeks and lets see how it's going to perform . There are members out there who still don't know how to give merits or are afraid that if they give merit it will be removed from their actual merit. Lets work on motivating them to not hesitate on spending their sMerits ,instead of these useless posts.

[TryNinja]

My point is the system should create something like anti-cheater app or just shut this system down because sMerit is now on trading.

We can fight merit farming/trading. Remember that everything is public.

Yes, in the short term, there will be some farming/trading. But in the long term, spammers will spend all their sMerits and only merit sources and users with good posting quality will have sMerits to spend (0.5 smerit for every merit you get). Meanwhile, new spammers won't be able to rank up anymore.

Why give sMerit too many for high level rank Member? And leave nothing for Newbee or Jr.Member??? If those new members find out a satisfied answer for their question. They can't merit because they are low level. If this merit given by devs, I have nothing to say. I am speechless.

Use this formula: the user has made a good post? Give him merit! It doesn't matter if he is theymos or a Newbie with 2 posts.

For example, I already gave merit to Jr. Members with good posts. Do you really want to prioritize merits based on the user's rank?

If this merit given by these old member, I disagree totally. What make them qualify for that authority?

I didn't understand what you said here.

Anyway, IMO this thread should go to the Trash Bin. A bunch of spammers won't change the system if the system was designed to combat them in the first place. /thread

[thaayb]

You are creating the definition of "Rich people maintain rich, poor people will be poor forever."

Makes no sense to me, this is a forum made for discussion, there should not be any money involved. (I know there is, and it mostly results in cancer if you ask me)

Before you create thing devs, can we make a vote in all member of this forum?
And if you decide create this such of thing, can you also create a new ranking level, which is higher than Legendary rank, and Legendary people must work to earn that level?

You neither own or administer this forum. If you do not like what an admin implements you are free to leave and/or make it better in an own forum.

My opinion on merit:

Basically I do not give a fuck about merit. It does not affect me in any way. I am registered since 2012 and still full member only. I do not care about user ranks, why should anybody anyway? There are no posting restrictions, so stop complaining.

[QlooQl]

If ya'll don't care about merit so much, can I have some?

[Nkan25]

amen to that

[jtipt]

See that now?? I asked Hero Member named jtipt why he complained my post which I left a line each sentence.
However he say nothing when TMAN another Hero Member left a line each sentence too.

He made that post purposely to annoy you. He says that in just next post.

I did it to piss you off...

[greeklogos]

I do not think that moderators of the forum who came to agreement about this merit system are so much idiots and I think they discussed all possible moments about this new ranking before to update the forum. It may seem to you unfair that high rank users got a lot of merit automatically, but if you are a bad quality poster you will never be able to reach such high rank I guess. I actually do not care of those merit that I have got and will, how it will affect on my activity here?!

[v0rtecxz]

I think dev has made it better, there will be a positive and negative impact on the merit system, I think they've thought about it before launching the merit system,

[criz2fer]

Merit system is preventing shitposters and not to maintain the rich.  High ranks already have previleges here specially hero and legendaries since they are 3 to 4 years in this forum and contributing a lot. But if a lot of shit posters enter the forum without reading and learning from it, its better to make them aware on how to contribute here than to ask questions that answered thousand times already.

[webdevmastery]

At first, it seems to be unfair. However, just think and observe at the forum. Most of the posts were just senseless and obviously were just meant to do the required weekly posts or just to boost ranks. I really think the main aim of this forum is for crypto users to learn, share ideas and at the same time to earn (airdrop or camps.) Of course, I wouldn't wash my hands because at first I was just trying to post for the same reason, however, as I stayed longer, it's obviously not worth reading some of the posts and would be a waste of time reading some of the threads because of most users abuse lax community rules and regulations. I admit it too, that the new system  will be difficult for us to achieve higher rank, but take it a good way to learn and to work harder.

This forum has been created for people to create constructive post and it is the job of the moderator to remove those who are creating low quality post. If they are tired to maintain their current system then they should not started this at the very first time they think to create this forum because eventually there will be problems like this to happen. I am not saying that i do not agree to the merit system but in my own opinion, it was bias for those high rank to rank up their account easily before when merit system is not existing. There are a lot of high ranked users who are just passing merits to their other companions in this forum and they are not being banned so what do you mean by hard work ?.

[Lauda]

Merit system may be great for overall forum post quality, but now everybody complaining because they afraid of new system. Now we have 3 kind of users. First kind is newbies. They have no merit and they afraid that they will never rank up.

So? A user that joins here to contribute, will not care about their rank that much, and will have no problems attaining merit points. A user that joins here *only to earn* aka shitpost and/or abuse, is the type of user that will be afraid.

Second kind is users with small sMerit available. They afraid that they will not receive merit in future, so they don't sending merit to any post and prefer to hold it for bright future or for somebody who will pay for it (yes, I know that it's not good, but there are many Merit traders already).

Trading merit points will lead to the destruction of your own account.

Third kind is huge merit holders. I don't know if they afraid of something, but I hope that Hero/Legendary members will play fair and spend some sMerit on post that deserve it.

Being fair =/= sending sMerit. You can be fair and not send a single sMerit point.

 
Summary:
I'm just complaing like others, but merit system need to get older and users have to adopt to it. We'll see where it leads to.

While the system is a joke when it comes to obvious solutions to the problems that the forum has been facing over the last few years, the voice concerns are usually even bigger jokes.

[slackcryptoz]

Everything has got good and bad. In such a manner while the merit system is created for one purpose and gets used in the opposite manner automatically there happens some correlation. This is the one that makes people believe that merit system makes rich get more richer and poor go poorer. One who wish to make himself learn, tries to improve the post quality and get merit which is a must these days.

[8count]

There's no correlation between amount of merit with poor/rich. For member with high rank, it's their reward for join in this forum earlier, just like early investor who got advantage. Also, main goal of this forum is to discuss Bitcoin (and altcoin), not join project which require high rank.
Maybe remove signature is better idea than add merit system so no one would complain about unfair/disadvantage between ranks

If you're looking for another cryptocurrency, r/bitcoin and r/cryptocurrency are perfect place from you as long as you avoid controversial or bait topics.

It's funny because I was noticing a lot of legendary members writing on the first page about the main goal of the forum is to discuss Bitcoin and Altcoin and it got me thinking.

I'm guessing but I would say 90% of the members on this forum now are here to make money in one way or another. Examples being bounties, airdrops, services and product selling.

So the merit system is brought in to encourage good high quality posting by members which has seen a decline with the increase number of people posting for rewards.

But now we are starting to see services pop up to sell/trade merit for money or return merit.

I'm not a smart man but it would seem like the smartest move to make this forum just about discussing bitcoin and altcoins would be to delete the bounty page to start with and to ban members who sell any type of service or goods on the forum??

But then again you would lose 90% of your members and bitcointalk itself wouldn't make money 
So is Bitcointalk now really for general Bitcoin and Altcoin talk?

But hey, I'm just a poor man with a opinion.

[TheNewAnon135246]

There's no correlation between amount of merit with poor/rich. For member with high rank, it's their reward for join in this forum earlier, just like early investor who got advantage. Also, main goal of this forum is to discuss Bitcoin (and altcoin), not join project which require high rank.
Maybe remove signature is better idea than add merit system so no one would complain about unfair/disadvantage between ranks

If you're looking for another cryptocurrency, r/bitcoin and r/cryptocurrency are perfect place from you as long as you avoid controversial or bait topics.

It's funny because I was noticing a lot of legendary members writing on the first page about the main goal of the forum is to discuss Bitcoin and Altcoin and it got me thinking.

I'm guessing but I would say 90% of the members on this forum now are here to make money in one way or another. Examples being bounties, airdrops, services and product selling.

So the merit system is brought in to encourage good high quality posting by members which has seen a decline with the increase number of people posting for rewards.

But now we are starting to see services pop up to sell/trade merit for money or return merit.

I'm not a smart man but it would seem like the smartest move to make this forum just about discussing bitcoin and altcoins would be to delete the bounty page to start with and to ban members who sell any type of service or goods on the forum??

But then again you would lose 90% of your members and bitcointalk itself wouldn't make money 
So is Bitcointalk now really for general Bitcoin and Altcoin talk?

But hey, I'm just a poor man with a opinion.

Nobody is into crypto to become poorer but nowhere near 90% of the users is responsible for bad quality posting. I don't see how people who are selling services, goods and collectibles are even related to the point you're trying to make.