MERIT - A DEFINITION OF, RICH PEOPLE BECOME RICHER, POOR PEOPLE MAINTAIN POOR

[Durr_1412]

I don't agree with this system.
You are creating the definition of "Rich people maintain rich, poor people will be poor forever."
Example: if you was in bitcointalk forum a few years ago, you posted a lot of under-quality posts and you earned Legendary Rank, so it is unfair with new people joining this forum now.

So at first you're accusing the system of not being correct at distributing the "wealth" between members....
Then ..

Don't act like a COMMUNIST country,

...so can you please make your mind what system we should adopt ?

I'm a Full Member - can I agree that it's a good system?  

I see what you did there   darkstar=lauda=lutpin=theymos

We don't care about shitposters, that's correct.
It's okay , Lauda. I think your life is fulfilled of shits , everything you've said are all about shits. Okay then...

For a newbie account you seem to have taken quite a familiar liking to Lauda.

This one I quote from another topic from another person, "I do and i suggest this ideal because i saw too many bitches stay there in the safe zone and tell us to work our ass off ;tell us about contributing to this forum , this community when they actually give nothing to this forum. Are they deserved for the position which they were?"

And one more thing, I suggest already on my topic, make a vote for every member of this forum. Or create a new rank system which Legendary won't sit still and must work to earn that. Are you clear? Or you ignore that part?

[Durr_1412]

I don't agree with this system.

You are creating the definition of "Rich people maintain rich, poor people will be poor forever."

Example: if you was in bitcointalk forum a few years ago, you posted a lot of under-quality posts and you earned Legendary Rank, so it is unfair with new people joining this forum now.

And a lot of projects need bitcointalk rank level such as bitsend airdrop (need Legendary rank), so it is much harder if this new system running.

And I lose my faith in this forum. I will still read and post in this forum but not in supporting anymore.

Instead of complaining, offer something better than Merit system what can help to fight with spammers, account farmers and etc. It's always easy to reject someones' ideas when it's not perfect.
In my view, eveything is fair. I think it's something similar with Bitcoin price. You can blame yourself if you didn't bought BTC when it was worth $200 or $500. Same with people who joined Bitcointalk earlier. You are right, man of these people reached high ranks by spamming and making low quality posts. But now some DT members are doing pretty good job by tagging shitposters.
And why someone should really care that you will be not able to participate in Bitsend airdrop and that many new members wont be able to take part in signature campaigns. If you want to benefit from these campaigns, just make high quality posts and you will get more or less Merit points, where is the problem?
I don't know what do you exactly mean that you wont support forum anymore?

I'm a Full Member - can I agree that it's a good system? 

But you are Legendary... :/

The bitsend airdrop is just an example, for saying all the profit will belong to LEGENDARY.
And no one say about benefit of the campaigns, we are discussing about the unfair system score.
Do you read all member posted here?
And I said once, and I ask you again, Are you sure after this system come out, spam post won't appear?
Talking is our right and why it must be scored?
We are talking our own idea, opinion, thought. So you mean if someone has their own idea but not really help for answering your topic, they don't have right to say?

[athanz88]

There's no correlation between amount of merit with poor/rich. For member with high rank, it's their reward for join in this forum earlier, just like early investor who got advantage.
Also, main goal of this forum is to discuss Bitcoin (and altcoin), not join project which require high rank.

If you're looking for another cryptocurrency, r/bitcoin and r/cryptocurrency are perfect place from you as long as you avoid controversial or bait topics.

One more Legendary show up and defending.

So you mean American is still British because you are one of them too. Why would you be United States.

My friends and I laughing so hard, "it's their reward for join in this forum earlier, just like early investor who got advantage."

What did you invest?

The only thing you did is you joined this forum at early that I don't deny.

Do you think a lot of people in this world, this moment may be their first time to hear about Bitcoin, crypto-currency. If they know such as thing exist, they may join sooner than you.

At least they invest their time sooner than you did, and they spent longer time than you on this forum. Do you really think only assets or currency can be counted as an investment? Grow up please. If I give my energy for posting in this forum it is called an investment too, If I give my time for posting and learning in this forum it is called an investment too. Investment is not bound to assets or currency only and not also about profit.
Let me ask you, if you go to school to learn things, is it an investment or not? I bet you will answer no. But funny fact it is an investment from your parents for your future.

[stompix]

This one I quote from another topic from another person, "I do and i suggest this ideal because i saw too many bitches stay there in the safe zone and tell us to work our ass off ;tell us about contributing to this forum , this community when they actually give nothing to this forum. Are they deserved for the position which they were?"

And one more thing, I suggest already on my topic, make a vote for every member of this forum. Or create a new rank system which Legendary won't sit still and must work to earn that. Are you clear? Or you ignore that part?

This is also a quote from another topic from another person:

bitcoin talk is a forum where you get paid for what you post. It mainly depends on your rank. If you are newbie you will not get paid as you cannot enroll in the campigns. Your pay starts from junior member. You have to enroll in sig campaigns and have to do posts and comment. And you will get paid

Guess what, that person was wrong.

It's the thousands like him that had the same idea and same misconception are probably the ones that force the implementation of  the merit system. And you are one of them.
Nobody is telling you to work your ass off nobody is treating you like a slave or a bitch.. This is not a forced labor camp, you are free to go and you are free to stay.

And to be honest, since I come form a country that had quite the history with these kinds of things...

tell us to work our ass off ;tell us about contributing to this forum , this community when they actually give nothing to this forum. Are they deserved for the position which they were?

This manifesto scares the shit out of me

[Durr_1412]

This one I quote from another topic from another person, "I do and i suggest this ideal because i saw too many bitches stay there in the safe zone and tell us to work our ass off ;tell us about contributing to this forum , this community when they actually give nothing to this forum. Are they deserved for the position which they were?"

And one more thing, I suggest already on my topic, make a vote for every member of this forum. Or create a new rank system which Legendary won't sit still and must work to earn that. Are you clear? Or you ignore that part?

This is also a quote from another topic from another person:

bitcoin talk is a forum where you get paid for what you post. It mainly depends on your rank. If you are newbie you will not get paid as you cannot enroll in the campigns. Your pay starts from junior member. You have to enroll in sig campaigns and have to do posts and comment. And you will get paid

Guess what, that person was wrong.

It's the thousands like him that had the same idea and same misconception are probably the ones that force the implementation of  the merit system. And you are one of them.
Nobody is telling you to work your ass off nobody is treating you like a slave or a bitch.. This is not a forced labor camp, you are free to go and you are free to stay.

And to be honest, since I come form a country that had quite the history with these kinds of things...

tell us to work our ass off ;tell us about contributing to this forum , this community when they actually give nothing to this forum. Are they deserved for the position which they were?

This manifesto scares the shit out of me

Good talk sir. So why would you ranking member then?
Then just erase all member rank and just score merit.
So we all know who has a quality post.
Saying and we know you're from another country which the right to talk is not welcome, just follow the rules???
This is not how we make a free world.

[TMAN]

The intention, to eliminate the tension. Stopping shitty posts and spamming posts from the newbie community. Attention, is it not like giving us a detention. Instead of making progress we are given a cross section. I'm not saying its not right, I'm not saying it's not wrong. What I am saying is our growth will be a bit hindered and slowed. Change, is it relevant? Merits are they relevant? One thing is for sure we will be seeing more of newbies, posting here and there trying to earn more of a little merit. The intention, to eliminate the tension.

see this post is ok.. I gave you some merit..

1 - Because you didn't come across as a sour smelly pussy
2 - Because everyone deserves a chance if they make a step in the right direction
3 - To piss off Durr... I post 100 times in the same thread and expect Merit...

anyway - think about your posts.. learn... and be a positive part of the community - it doesn't matter if you are a newbie with 10 satoshi or a secret whale with 1K BTC... just be a part of the community in a positive way

BTW - Durr.. you moan more than a woman on her period..

[tambenile]

This one I quote from another topic from another person, "I do and i suggest this ideal because i saw too many bitches stay there in the safe zone and tell us to work our ass off ;tell us about contributing to this forum , this community when they actually give nothing to this forum. Are they deserved for the position which they were?"

And one more thing, I suggest already on my topic, make a vote for every member of this forum. Or create a new rank system which Legendary won't sit still and must work to earn that. Are you clear? Or you ignore that part?

This is also a quote from another topic from another person:

bitcoin talk is a forum where you get paid for what you post. It mainly depends on your rank. If you are newbie you will not get paid as you cannot enroll in the campigns. Your pay starts from junior member. You have to enroll in sig campaigns and have to do posts and comment. And you will get paid

Guess what, that person was wrong.

It's the thousands like him that had the same idea and same misconception are probably the ones that force the implementation of  the merit system. And you are one of them.
Nobody is telling you to work your ass off nobody is treating you like a slave or a bitch.. This is not a forced labor camp, you are free to go and you are free to stay.

And to be honest, since I come form a country that had quite the history with these kinds of things...

tell us to work our ass off ;tell us about contributing to this forum , this community when they actually give nothing to this forum. Are they deserved for the position which they were?

This manifesto scares the shit out of me

Good talk sir. So why would you ranking member then?
Then just erase all member rank and just score merit.
So we all know who has a quality post.
Saying and we know you're from another country which the right to talk is not welcome, just follow the rules???
This is not how we make a free world.

Be careful mate, you're threatening to a lot of useless hero and legendaries ....

[Durr_1412]

The intention, to eliminate the tension. Stopping shitty posts and spamming posts from the newbie community. Attention, is it not like giving us a detention. Instead of making progress we are given a cross section. I'm not saying its not right, I'm not saying it's not wrong. What I am saying is our growth will be a bit hindered and slowed. Change, is it relevant? Merits are they relevant? One thing is for sure we will be seeing more of newbies, posting here and there trying to earn more of a little merit. The intention, to eliminate the tension.

see this post is ok.. I gave you some merit..

1 - Because you didn't come across as a sour smelly pussy
2 - Because everyone deserves a chance if they make a step in the right direction
3 - To piss off Durr... I post 100 times in the same thread and expect Merit...

anyway - think about your posts.. learn... and be a positive part of the community - it doesn't matter if you are a newbie with 10 satoshi or a secret whale with 1K BTC... just be a part of the community in a positive way

BTW - Durr.. you moan more than a woman on her period..

Haha, now this guy proving he gave somebody Merit, but not before.
Like oh this guy is posting ok, I will give him a score.
If you give someone score you don't have to say it, and we are not discussing giving merit score to somebody.
What is your intention for telling me that?
And I don't need your score. Stop telling me the baby thing.

[TMAN]

The intention, to eliminate the tension. Stopping shitty posts and spamming posts from the newbie community. Attention, is it not like giving us a detention. Instead of making progress we are given a cross section. I'm not saying its not right, I'm not saying it's not wrong. What I am saying is our growth will be a bit hindered and slowed. Change, is it relevant? Merits are they relevant? One thing is for sure we will be seeing more of newbies, posting here and there trying to earn more of a little merit. The intention, to eliminate the tension.

see this post is ok.. I gave you some merit..

1 - Because you didn't come across as a sour smelly pussy
2 - Because everyone deserves a chance if they make a step in the right direction
3 - To piss off Durr... I post 100 times in the same thread and expect Merit...

anyway - think about your posts.. learn... and be a positive part of the community - it doesn't matter if you are a newbie with 10 satoshi or a secret whale with 1K BTC... just be a part of the community in a positive way

BTW - Durr.. you moan more than a woman on her period..

Haha, now this guy proving he gave somebody Merit, but not before.
Like oh this guy is posting ok, I will give him a score.
If you give someone score you don't have to say it, and we are not discussing giving merit score to somebody.
What is your intention for telling me that?
And I don't need your score. Stop telling me the baby thing.

I've given out merit plenty of times today - not all to established members, I have also pledged merit to people if they can produce 100 non shit posts and then PM me...

see I am giving back to the community.. people who don't bitch and moan like you.

if you came into this with a positive attitude Karma would have your back.. but you aren't so you are alienating yourself from the prospect of receiving any...

in other words you are stabbing yourself in your already bleeding pussy...

[tambenile]

The intention, to eliminate the tension. Stopping shitty posts and spamming posts from the newbie community. Attention, is it not like giving us a detention. Instead of making progress we are given a cross section. I'm not saying its not right, I'm not saying it's not wrong. What I am saying is our growth will be a bit hindered and slowed. Change, is it relevant? Merits are they relevant? One thing is for sure we will be seeing more of newbies, posting here and there trying to earn more of a little merit. The intention, to eliminate the tension.

see this post is ok.. I gave you some merit..

1 - Because you didn't come across as a sour smelly pussy
2 - Because everyone deserves a chance if they make a step in the right direction
3 - To piss off Durr... I post 100 times in the same thread and expect Merit...

anyway - think about your posts.. learn... and be a positive part of the community - it doesn't matter if you are a newbie with 10 satoshi or a secret whale with 1K BTC... just be a part of the community in a positive way

BTW - Durr.. you moan more than a woman on her period..

Haha, now this guy proving he gave somebody Merit, but not before.
Like oh this guy is posting ok, I will give him a score.
If you give someone score you don't have to say it, and we are not discussing giving merit score to somebody.
What is your intention for telling me that?
And I don't need your score. Stop telling me the baby thing.

After all, rules was made to protect people with positions even i think it's actually worked on the war with spammers... But not with high-rank shitposters.

[Durr_1412]

The intention, to eliminate the tension. Stopping shitty posts and spamming posts from the newbie community. Attention, is it not like giving us a detention. Instead of making progress we are given a cross section. I'm not saying its not right, I'm not saying it's not wrong. What I am saying is our growth will be a bit hindered and slowed. Change, is it relevant? Merits are they relevant? One thing is for sure we will be seeing more of newbies, posting here and there trying to earn more of a little merit. The intention, to eliminate the tension.

see this post is ok.. I gave you some merit..

1 - Because you didn't come across as a sour smelly pussy
2 - Because everyone deserves a chance if they make a step in the right direction
3 - To piss off Durr... I post 100 times in the same thread and expect Merit...

anyway - think about your posts.. learn... and be a positive part of the community - it doesn't matter if you are a newbie with 10 satoshi or a secret whale with 1K BTC... just be a part of the community in a positive way

BTW - Durr.. you moan more than a woman on her period..

Haha, now this guy proving he gave somebody Merit, but not before.
Like oh this guy is posting ok, I will give him a score.
If you give someone score you don't have to say it, and we are not discussing giving merit score to somebody.
What is your intention for telling me that?
And I don't need your score. Stop telling me the baby thing.

After all, rules was made to protect people with positions even i think it's actually worked on the war with spammers... But not with high-rank shitposters.

And at this moment, more people realize the threat of Merit system.

A group of people, friends, teammates, they can spam merit score to each other's post. Their own group or team will gain a lot of Merit score by this kind of cheating.

And now I love to hear what of these above member who believe in Merit system say.
They are so proud of their new system. Don't be so silent.

Hello, all of the above who support this new system, tell me your thought about these Merit cheaters.
I love to hear  

[felixfortunato]

The intention, to eliminate the tension. Stopping shitty posts and spamming posts from the newbie community. Attention, is it not like giving us a detention. Instead of making progress we are given a cross section. I'm not saying its not right, I'm not saying it's not wrong. What I am saying is our growth will be a bit hindered and slowed. Change, is it relevant? Merits are they relevant? One thing is for sure we will be seeing more of newbies, posting here and there trying to earn more of a little merit. The intention, to eliminate the tension.

see this post is ok.. I gave you some merit..

1 - Because you didn't come across as a sour smelly pussy
2 - Because everyone deserves a chance if they make a step in the right direction
3 - To piss off Durr... I post 100 times in the same thread and expect Merit...

anyway - think about your posts.. learn... and be a positive part of the community - it doesn't matter if you are a newbie with 10 satoshi or a secret whale with 1K BTC... just be a part of the community in a positive way

BTW - Durr.. you moan more than a woman on her period..

Haha, now this guy proving he gave somebody Merit, but not before.
Like oh this guy is posting ok, I will give him a score.
If you give someone score you don't have to say it, and we are not discussing giving merit score to somebody.
What is your intention for telling me that?
And I don't need your score. Stop telling me the baby thing.

After all, rules was made to protect people with positions even i think it's actually worked on the war with spammers... But not with high-rank shitposters.

And at this moment, more people realize the threat of Merit system.

A group of people, friends, teammates, they can spam merit score to each other's post. Their own group or team will gain a lot of Merit score by this kind of cheating.

And now I love to hear what of these above member who believe in Merit system say.
They are so proud of their new system. Don't be so silent.

Hello, all of the above who support this new system, tell me your thought about these Merit cheaters.
I love to hear  

Bro just stop this, you're mumbling the same thoughts over and over again, we get it, you don't like the merit system, you don't have to make 10+ posts about it, just get over this bro and move on. This was created for the betterment of the forum hence betterment, if you don't like it then leave but if you don't want to leave then learn to adopt.

[Durr_1412]

The intention, to eliminate the tension. Stopping shitty posts and spamming posts from the newbie community. Attention, is it not like giving us a detention. Instead of making progress we are given a cross section. I'm not saying its not right, I'm not saying it's not wrong. What I am saying is our growth will be a bit hindered and slowed. Change, is it relevant? Merits are they relevant? One thing is for sure we will be seeing more of newbies, posting here and there trying to earn more of a little merit. The intention, to eliminate the tension.

see this post is ok.. I gave you some merit..

1 - Because you didn't come across as a sour smelly pussy
2 - Because everyone deserves a chance if they make a step in the right direction
3 - To piss off Durr... I post 100 times in the same thread and expect Merit...

anyway - think about your posts.. learn... and be a positive part of the community - it doesn't matter if you are a newbie with 10 satoshi or a secret whale with 1K BTC... just be a part of the community in a positive way

BTW - Durr.. you moan more than a woman on her period..

Haha, now this guy proving he gave somebody Merit, but not before.
Like oh this guy is posting ok, I will give him a score.
If you give someone score you don't have to say it, and we are not discussing giving merit score to somebody.
What is your intention for telling me that?
And I don't need your score. Stop telling me the baby thing.

After all, rules was made to protect people with positions even i think it's actually worked on the war with spammers... But not with high-rank shitposters.

And at this moment, more people realize the threat of Merit system.

A group of people, friends, teammates, they can spam merit score to each other's post. Their own group or team will gain a lot of Merit score by this kind of cheating.

And now I love to hear what of these above member who believe in Merit system say.
They are so proud of their new system. Don't be so silent.

Hello, all of the above who support this new system, tell me your thought about these Merit cheaters.
I love to hear  

Bro just stop this, you're mumbling the same thoughts over and over again, we get it, you don't like the merit system, you don't have to make 10+ posts about it, just get over this bro and move on. This was created for the betterment of the forum hence betterment, if you don't like it then leave but if you don't want to leave then learn to adopt.

Haha you are so funny.
DO I have the right to talk?
If I see cheater or robbery or unfair thing, I just let it happen and adopt   ?
If you want to be silent, nobody bother you. Just do it yourself.
I don't ask you to support me, and no one does.
I just want to make a fair thing for every single people. Why shouldn't I speak up?

[DeathAngel]

You're essentially complaining that you have to make high-quality posts in order to participate in signature campaigns.If you want to talk about unfair, think about the Hero Members that have created high-quality posts in the past yet are now bummed out of Legendary status because they're 500 merits away.

If you want to point out the Legendary members with shitty posts then I would recommend you to do so. Otherwise, sufficient action cannot be taken against them.

Damn that’s true, I am fucked How the hell am I supposed to pick up 500 merit points to get to 1000 so I can rank
up?
It’s a good thing I don’t give a damn.

[fogocut21]

The bitsend airdrop is just an example, for saying all the profit will belong to LEGENDARY.
And no one say about benefit of the campaigns, we are discussing about the unfair system score.
Do you read all member posted here?
And I said once, and I ask you again, Are you sure after this system come out, spam post won't appear?
Talking is our right and why it must be scored?
We are talking our own idea, opinion, thought. So you mean if someone has their own idea but not really help for answering your topic, they don't have right to say?

If the benefits of the campaigns do not matter then why does the merit system bother you? Yeah that's right, because that's all you see in front your eyes. I know this concept might be hard to grasp but BCT was here way before bounty campaigns and this is not it's sole purpose. I know, bounties are nice, almost everybody has participated in one. In fact I am currently participating in one, and hey I'm a newbie. I still think this change was necessary.

If you think about it, new members who participate in bounty campaigns will actually benefit from this. Instead of sharing the rewards with hordes of spammers and people who have multiple accounts, they will be able to gain a larger portion of the rewards given they post meaningful posts.
Will all the spammers disappear? No probably not. Will people find ways to cheat the system? I guess so yes. Still, it makes the life of spammers way harder and will definitely remove alot of garbage from this forum. This system is not perfect, it has it's flaws like the one you mentioned. But if you look at the whole picture this change is for the best.

I hope as the time passes you will be able to see the good effects of this and change your mind. Even if not, take it easy, this is just a forum. And if your income has taken a big it, well, in crypto business you have to be prepared to take big hits. If you can't adapt, this is not the place for you.

[figmentofmyass]

You're essentially complaining that you have to make high-quality posts in order to participate in signature campaigns.

that might be the case, but it overlooks one thing. are high quality posts actually generally rewarded by the merit system? that's the intention, but i'm curious whether that will be the outcome. nothing forces anyone to give sMerit for high quality posts, but i think there are strong social incentives to use merit as a social reward for group-reinforcing behavior. i.e. receiving merit is probably more a matter of a) posting what someone wants to hear, or b) social status, than it is about high quality posting.

If you want to talk about unfair, think about the Hero Members that have created high-quality posts in the past yet are now bummed out of Legendary status because they're 500 merits away.

indeed! i was potentially only ~115 activity from ranking up to legendary when the merit system was implemented, so it's definitely a setback. oh well, at least i'm not losing rank. i do feel bad for those people who had like 476 activity and now only have 250 merit, mainly because i don't know how effective merit will be at rewarding high quality posters in general.

[CryptoBey]

Heros / Legendaries are now laughing well.

Belows are crying.

RIP NEWBIES.

[TryNinja]

RIP SPAMMERS.

FTFY

[Durr_1412]

The bitsend airdrop is just an example, for saying all the profit will belong to LEGENDARY.
And no one say about benefit of the campaigns, we are discussing about the unfair system score.
Do you read all member posted here?
And I said once, and I ask you again, Are you sure after this system come out, spam post won't appear?
Talking is our right and why it must be scored?
We are talking our own idea, opinion, thought. So you mean if someone has their own idea but not really help for answering your topic, they don't have right to say?

If the benefits of the campaigns do not matter then why does the merit system bother you? Yeah that's right, because that's all you see in front your eyes. I know this concept might be hard to grasp but BCT was here way before bounty campaigns and this is not it's sole purpose. I know, bounties are nice, almost everybody has participated in one. In fact I am currently participating in one, and hey I'm a newbie. I still think this change was necessary.

If you think about it, new members who participate in bounty campaigns will actually benefit from this. Instead of sharing the rewards with hordes of spammers and people who have multiple accounts, they will be able to gain a larger portion of the rewards given they post meaningful posts.
Will all the spammers disappear? No probably not. Will people find ways to cheat the system? I guess so yes. Still, it makes the life of spammers way harder and will definitely remove alot of garbage from this forum. This system is not perfect, it has it's flaws like the one you mentioned. But if you look at the whole picture this change is for the best.

I hope as the time passes you will be able to see the good effects of this and change your mind. Even if not, take it easy, this is just a forum. And if your income has taken a big it, well, in crypto business you have to be prepared to take big hits. If you can't adapt, this is not the place for you.

Dont say too many. Do you get my point when reading this topic?
I am asking how to treat the cheater? And point out the unfair thing.
I am done with you. read and think before saying.

[InvoKing]

I am a poor as per your standards and I also think that the concept favors old members. But it is the decision of admin and we as members do not have any control over it.

Having citizens like you in a country, emmm, I could be an emperor
Respecting what admins done democratically isn't a choice after all but criticising it is a must if you will wetness an aberration. (i still support the Merit idea).
Slight modifications was done for few mistakes but I am pretty sure major modifications will happen in the future after the Merit system becomes a DT like system with all its inconvenients (centralised even if it looks not) (well DT system has advantages too which still > inconv imo).