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January 30, 2018, 10:15:18 AM
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Merit system may be great for overall forum post quality, but now everybody complaining because they afraid of new system. Now we have 3 kind of users. First kind is newbies. They have no merit and they afraid that they will never rank up.
So? A user that joins here to contribute, will not care about their rank that much, and will have no problems attaining merit points. A user that joins here *only to earn* aka shitpost and/or abuse, is the type of user that will be afraid.

Second kind is users with small sMerit available. They afraid that they will not receive merit in future, so they don't sending merit to any post and prefer to hold it for bright future or for somebody who will pay for it (yes, I know that it's not good, but there are many Merit traders already).
Trading merit points will lead to the destruction of your own account.

Third kind is huge merit holders. I don't know if they afraid of something, but I hope that Hero/Legendary members will play fair and spend some sMerit on post that deserve it.
Being fair =/= sending sMerit. You can be fair and not send a single sMerit point.

 
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I'm just complaing like others, but merit system need to get older and users have to adopt to it. We'll see where it leads to.
While the system is a joke when it comes to obvious solutions to the problems that the forum has been facing over the last few years, the voice concerns are usually even bigger jokes.

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January 30, 2018, 10:36:04 AM
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Everything has got good and bad. In such a manner while the merit system is created for one purpose and gets used in the opposite manner automatically there happens some correlation. This is the one that makes people believe that merit system makes rich get more richer and poor go poorer. One who wish to make himself learn, tries to improve the post quality and get merit which is a must these days.
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January 30, 2018, 11:05:17 AM
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There's no correlation between amount of merit with poor/rich. For member with high rank, it's their reward for join in this forum earlier, just like early investor who got advantage. Also, main goal of this forum is to discuss Bitcoin (and altcoin), not join project which require high rank.
Maybe remove signature is better idea than add merit system so no one would complain about unfair/disadvantage between ranks Roll Eyes

If you're looking for another cryptocurrency, r/bitcoin and r/cryptocurrency are perfect place from you as long as you avoid controversial or bait topics.

It's funny because I was noticing a lot of legendary members writing on the first page about the main goal of the forum is to discuss Bitcoin and Altcoin and it got me thinking.

I'm guessing but I would say 90% of the members on this forum now are here to make money in one way or another. Examples being bounties, airdrops, services and product selling.

So the merit system is brought in to encourage good high quality posting by members which has seen a decline with the increase number of people posting for rewards.

But now we are starting to see services pop up to sell/trade merit for money or return merit.

I'm not a smart man but it would seem like the smartest move to make this forum just about discussing bitcoin and altcoins would be to delete the bounty page to start with and to ban members who sell any type of service or goods on the forum??

But then again you would lose 90% of your members and bitcointalk itself wouldn't make money  Wink
So is Bitcointalk now really for general Bitcoin and Altcoin talk?

But hey, I'm just a poor man with a opinion.

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January 30, 2018, 11:11:52 AM
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There's no correlation between amount of merit with poor/rich. For member with high rank, it's their reward for join in this forum earlier, just like early investor who got advantage. Also, main goal of this forum is to discuss Bitcoin (and altcoin), not join project which require high rank.
Maybe remove signature is better idea than add merit system so no one would complain about unfair/disadvantage between ranks Roll Eyes

If you're looking for another cryptocurrency, r/bitcoin and r/cryptocurrency are perfect place from you as long as you avoid controversial or bait topics.

It's funny because I was noticing a lot of legendary members writing on the first page about the main goal of the forum is to discuss Bitcoin and Altcoin and it got me thinking.

I'm guessing but I would say 90% of the members on this forum now are here to make money in one way or another. Examples being bounties, airdrops, services and product selling.

So the merit system is brought in to encourage good high quality posting by members which has seen a decline with the increase number of people posting for rewards.

But now we are starting to see services pop up to sell/trade merit for money or return merit.

I'm not a smart man but it would seem like the smartest move to make this forum just about discussing bitcoin and altcoins would be to delete the bounty page to start with and to ban members who sell any type of service or goods on the forum??

But then again you would lose 90% of your members and bitcointalk itself wouldn't make money  Wink
So is Bitcointalk now really for general Bitcoin and Altcoin talk?

But hey, I'm just a poor man with a opinion.


Nobody is into crypto to become poorer but nowhere near 90% of the users is responsible for bad quality posting. I don't see how people who are selling services, goods and collectibles are even related to the point you're trying to make.

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January 30, 2018, 11:29:02 AM
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There's no correlation between amount of merit with poor/rich. For member with high rank, it's their reward for join in this forum earlier, just like early investor who got advantage. Also, main goal of this forum is to discuss Bitcoin (and altcoin), not join project which require high rank.
Maybe remove signature is better idea than add merit system so no one would complain about unfair/disadvantage between ranks Roll Eyes

If you're looking for another cryptocurrency, r/bitcoin and r/cryptocurrency are perfect place from you as long as you avoid controversial or bait topics.

It's funny because I was noticing a lot of legendary members writing on the first page about the main goal of the forum is to discuss Bitcoin and Altcoin and it got me thinking.

I'm guessing but I would say 90% of the members on this forum now are here to make money in one way or another. Examples being bounties, airdrops, services and product selling.

So the merit system is brought in to encourage good high quality posting by members which has seen a decline with the increase number of people posting for rewards.

But now we are starting to see services pop up to sell/trade merit for money or return merit.

I'm not a smart man but it would seem like the smartest move to make this forum just about discussing bitcoin and altcoins would be to delete the bounty page to start with and to ban members who sell any type of service or goods on the forum??

But then again you would lose 90% of your members and bitcointalk itself wouldn't make money  Wink
So is Bitcointalk now really for general Bitcoin and Altcoin talk?

But hey, I'm just a poor man with a opinion.


Nobody is into crypto to become poorer but nowhere near 90% of the users is responsible for bad quality posting. I don't see how people who are selling services, goods and collectibles are even related to the point you're trying to make.

Not sure if you read it properly not once did i mention bad quality posting. I get sick of seeing spam none readable post myself. I was referring to the fact that it was commonly said that the forum was about discussing bitcoin and altcoins and gave a opinion on how it could easily be fix to take it back to that.
But thank you for your reply.
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January 30, 2018, 11:33:29 AM
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There's no correlation between amount of merit with poor/rich. For member with high rank, it's their reward for join in this forum earlier, just like early investor who got advantage. Also, main goal of this forum is to discuss Bitcoin (and altcoin), not join project which require high rank.
Maybe remove signature is better idea than add merit system so no one would complain about unfair/disadvantage between ranks Roll Eyes

If you're looking for another cryptocurrency, r/bitcoin and r/cryptocurrency are perfect place from you as long as you avoid controversial or bait topics.

It's funny because I was noticing a lot of legendary members writing on the first page about the main goal of the forum is to discuss Bitcoin and Altcoin and it got me thinking.

I'm guessing but I would say 90% of the members on this forum now are here to make money in one way or another. Examples being bounties, airdrops, services and product selling.

So the merit system is brought in to encourage good high quality posting by members which has seen a decline with the increase number of people posting for rewards.

But now we are starting to see services pop up to sell/trade merit for money or return merit.

I'm not a smart man but it would seem like the smartest move to make this forum just about discussing bitcoin and altcoins would be to delete the bounty page to start with and to ban members who sell any type of service or goods on the forum??

But then again you would lose 90% of your members and bitcointalk itself wouldn't make money  Wink
So is Bitcointalk now really for general Bitcoin and Altcoin talk?

But hey, I'm just a poor man with a opinion.


Nobody is into crypto to become poorer but nowhere near 90% of the users is responsible for bad quality posting. I don't see how people who are selling services, goods and collectibles are even related to the point you're trying to make.

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I'm not a smart man but it would seem like the smartest move to make this forum just about discussing bitcoin and altcoins would be to delete the bounty page to start with and to ban members who sell any type of service or goods on the forum??

This would make that 3/4 would move to another board where the bounties and ITO's will be listed and more important all legandary stop making money WHICH they won't let happen EVER !!!!.They love the bounty and make themself most profit and the claim to destroy people to increase quality is just poor BS.
Its about destroying competition and gaining control.
Its a fight to gain a bigger share and NOTHING MORE

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January 30, 2018, 11:49:17 AM
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This would make that 3/4 would move to another board where the bounties and ITO's will be listed and more important all legandary stop making money WHICH they won't let happen EVER !!!!.They love the bounty and make themself most profit and the claim to destroy people to increase quality is just poor BS.
Its about destroying competition and gaining control.
Its a fight to gain a bigger share and NOTHING MORE

so you think that anyone who speaks English fluently at a rank of Hero or Legendary only wants to keep the merit system as it stops people progressing?

Dude - get back on the drugs, take off your tinfoil hat and go get a fucking Job.. please you would do yourself no end of favors, go for a walk outside, go sit in a bar.. actually I recommend you go sit in a bar and try to explain to someone how unfair life is as you joined a forum to make mad internet moniez.. but this fucker Lauda fucked you up with a negative, then this dictator Theymos changed the rulez.. then this prick called TMAN came along and was racist..

Go do that and I hope to fuck you get punched square on the nose, as that is what I would like for someone to do to you right now.. you call Lauda a cancer, look in the mirror and stop fucking moaning.

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January 30, 2018, 01:47:54 PM
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The merit system is not fair to many beginners!

The novice's knowledge is very few, must learn to grow!

This leads to the possibility that the content of the reply will be added "merit" is very low!

And people who get into BBS very early, you don't have to think about that!

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January 30, 2018, 06:36:22 PM
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The merit system is not fair to many beginners!
Why? Beginners shouldn't be a high rank. Why would someone who has no understanding of Bitcoin be considered a "Hero Member"?

The novice's knowledge is very few, must learn to grow!
Exactly. You're here to learn.

This leads to the possibility that the content of the reply will be added "merit" is very low!
Well, yeah.

And people who get into BBS very early, you don't have to think about that!
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January 30, 2018, 06:52:19 PM
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To use the words "rich" and "poor" to define the members of a forum devoted to the free circulation and sharing of information about Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies is totally perverse to start with. It's true that a higher rank can give you an economic advantage - just like in life does. But that should really not be the first reason to be here, just like you should not be alive only for "ranking up". Life has to be lived for having an interesting life and taking part to a forum has to be done for having interesting exchange of information. Marginally, you can appreciate your rank rising, both in life and on a forum, with the good material things which come with it. But that's a consequence, not a motive.
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January 30, 2018, 06:54:34 PM
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To use the words "rich" and "poor" to define the members of a forum devoted to the free circulation and sharing of information about Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies is totally perverse to start with.
The whole thread is bullshit, so no surprise there.

It's true that a higher rank can give you an economic advantage - just like in life does. But that should really not be the first reason to be here, just like you should not be alive only for "ranking up". Life has to be lived for having an interesting life and taking part to a forum has to be done for having interesting exchange of information. Marginally, you can appreciate your rank rising, both in life and on a forum, with the good material things which come with it. But that's a consequence, not a motive.
The problematic stems from the exact opposite. They see it as a motive, not as a consequence. Additionally, they are often people who: a) Put next to no effort in the *stuff* that they do here. b) Abuse every possible thing (account sales, alt accounts, bounties, etc.). Hence, this system is supposed to not reward such people. Hence, it is very likely that such people are going to complain about this system.

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January 31, 2018, 02:13:18 AM
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I does partially agree with your ideas. This is my ideas on another topic and its original one. You can check those for more discussions. The current merit system have two-sided effects, both negative and positive.

I strongly believe that it will make the forum a better place, at least in terms of controlling, reducing or eliminating (I guess can not eliminate, only the first two) spamming posts and farming accounts.
In contrast, as I said below, the system also have several serious drawbacks, of course, unfair since its launch.

To sum up, all of those effects will be demonstrated in the future, might be weeks, months (not years). And the system will be experienced huge adjustments surely.

Yes I think so, this system was created to improve the quality of posts of everyone here and to clean up this forum. And when I have read some posts and comments of some users, I can say that many are trying to adapt the new system and trying to improve the quality of their posts.

The post quality (in my opinion) has dramatically increased around here since the new system was implemented. I’ve seen much less shitposting from people.

I think it’s a massive positive to be perfectly honest.  

Me too. That is instant positive effects of merit system. However, as I discussed before at the thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2825306.msg29231021#msg29231021

The true, really big issue will occur after some weeks, some months when lower-ranked users move up to higher-ranked ones. At that time, will they need to keep writing high-quality, constructive threads? I don't think so, they will certainly lose their motivations.

Once again, I would like to raise a question "How long will positive effects of merit system last?"

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Seems this post asking for equality. There is no such thing. Equality doesn't exist in the real world and this forum has no exemption. In all walks of life diversity and division do exist and rules/laws are made to have base line of equality. 
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now it'll be a mission impossible to reach even full member rank Undecided

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so you think ........ stop fucking moaning.

I gave you a merit for being so circumspect. Tman, you really need to learn that you should say what you really think. Smiley

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I think you are right at some stages. But we are not so sure about it. Rich people become more richer and poor people with some extraordinary effirts can cross the richer people and become the richest one.

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so you think ........ stop fucking moaning.

I gave you a merit for being so circumspect. Tman, you really need to learn that you should say what you really think. Smiley

I am trying to control myself and avoid his posts (in a good manner) or else he will grab all my smerit points. Dat TMAN Tongue

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Why are you not collecting all the proofs and submit it to the moderators or Theymos himself? He will surely ban all those merit sellers. Without proof, it is like false accusations.

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so you think ........ stop fucking moaning.

I gave you a merit for being so circumspect. Tman, you really need to learn that you should say what you really think. Smiley

I am trying to control myself and avoid his posts (in a good manner) or else he will grab all my smerit points. Dat TMAN Tongue

now it'll be a mission impossible to reach even full member rank Undecided
Actual ranking level=medium-hard.
After regulating ico spam=impossible.

I just say what most people think. I am probably on some spectrum for autism or something I guess

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Nice to hear that words here the F*ck and the Bulls**t.. LOL

Well, it's just like me a poor member here in the forum trying to earn a single smerit hoping that to meet the required amount of smerit to rank up. Higher rank here much better when it comes profit here in the forum, so, that why many lower rank complaining about merit system.
I also admit my self why it's too late for me to get in here when the merit system is implemented and now it's hard for me to rank up.

As a admins decision, we must obey them were just only a member here if you like the new system maybe it's to go out from this bulls**t and fu**ing forum, (haha just kidding what I mean is our beloved forum.)

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