What are the negativities of Merit system[UPDATED][09/08/2018]

[firmancarok]

I think the negative of merit is clear we would be hard to raise forum rank but that is a way that we can be better to communicate here, and improve what should be the purpose of this forum.

[krishnaverma]

1. The reverse effect. The merit-system was made in order to save the forum from the influx of useless posts, topics, etc. Today, "thanks to" the introduction of this system, we have the following: the creation of the same topics about new merit system, about shit-posts and the emergence of begging.

Keeping in mind how this new system affected the members here, I think it is obvious to expect so many threads. Also, this is not permanent. As people get used to this, we will have less of these threads.

5. Get-away. Many participants can make a decision to leave the forum, observing the current situation and the forum will be empty. The bottom line: on the forum will stay only "oldsports", but some people don’t understand, there are some newbies who benefit the forum and share useful information. If he is newbie on the forum, this does not mean that he is newbie in the field of crypto currency. I know many crypto-guys who into the theme of crypto for several years, but have not been registered at the forum or registered recently.

If you are knowledgeable (irrespective of your current rank), you should be able to make quality posts. And if you are making quality posts, you will get merits and rank up.

[galkina]

5. Get-away. Many participants can make a decision to leave the forum, observing the current situation and the forum will be empty. The bottom line: on the forum will stay only "oldsports", but some people don’t understand, there are some newbies who benefit the forum and share useful information. If he is newbie on the forum, this does not mean that he is newbie in the field of crypto currency. I know many crypto-guys who into the theme of crypto for several years, but have not been registered at the forum or registered recently.

If shit posters decide to stay away from this forum because of the new merit system, I think this is one of the big achievements of this new system. Those who have something valuable to contribute will stay here for sure.

[danherbias07]

I think people also overlook the fact that individuals who already have a decent Rank are more likely to receive merits, as they look more appealing (signatures, avatars, golden coins etc.).

And who the fuck would even merit me? I don't chill in an armchair with a cup of tea next to me, participating in elevated discussions on this forum. I translate whatever ann threads and whitepapers I can. The only reason I left my habitat was to see what the hell was this update and to my surprise, it doesn't really help me.

Unfortunately people label me based on my Rank. They don't even look at my previous work, they just cut me off the list. This Merit system gives me reasons to be concerned.

Strong words. Merits for that.

Kinda like those people who are doing a great job at translating for they are really the most useful for investors from different countries.
This is one of the negative sides of it. There will always be flaws but your post have some too.
This is a forum and I think you should not just stay here for your job and also share your thoughts, something like this one now.

Somehow there will be that person that will give merits according to their own view.
Crap, I didnt even know how I ended up here, just links by links.

[mdayonliner]

I just want to hear more negativity if there,from the experts and seniors of our forum.

-If we keep looking for the negative sides then how would we see the good things 

"You always see what you really wanted to see" - not sure where I read it but I believe it's a good philosophy.

Him tried to break it down however let me rephrase the things since the original post made a month ago from now...

1.I think the lower ranked members is never going to rank up to legendary.

- Using "never" will be a wrong idea. We have seen there are a lot of people receiving good amount of merits because of their good writing skills, although unfair things are happening and reality is it's really hard to stop. You need to be strategic if you care for merit and if not then focus on providing value to the community.

2.Soon there maybe a merit farming.

- well yeah, it's already happening. You will be amazed mathematically it goes really big! Have a look on my 1st suggestion.

3.I am sure that not all the quality posts will get merits.

- It's quite impossible. In fact we do not know what will be the percentage of the good posts that won't get merited. It's just sad 

4.Mods,DT,merits sources are exchanging smerits between them.

- If you have bad intention in mind then no one can stop anyone not just them.

5.Random members going to be tagged if someone exchanged merits,but it is not going to happen if a DT member do.

- I guess my second suggestion resolve this.

 

[djangocoin]

1.I think the lower ranked members is never going to rank up to legendary.
2.Soon there maybe a merit farming.
3.I am sure that not all the quality posts will get merits.
4.Mods,DT,merits sources are exchanging smerits between them.
5.Random members going to be tagged if someone exchanged merits,but it is not going to happen if a DT member do.


I just want to hear more negativity if there,from the experts and seniors of our forum.

The only lower ranked member that will reach leg status is nullius lol

One negative i have seen is am not really seeing any merit being dished out lately, except perhaps in the Bitcoin discussion forum.. maybe average joe has run out of merit? or maybe the initial boom is over and this is the normal state? or maybe it's cyclical? i dunno, just seems to have stagnated a bit..

[Jet Cash]

One negative i have seen is am not really seeing any merit being dished out lately, except perhaps in the Bitcoin discussion forum.. maybe average joe has run out of merit? or maybe the initial boom is over and this is the normal state? or maybe it's cyclical? i dunno, just seems to have stagnated a bit..

I've still got merit to give out, and I had a look round after I read your post. I nearly gave some to a newbie, but his post was capitalised, and I hate that, so I passed over his post. Everything else seemed to be repetitive and obvious, and didn't get me enthusiastic. There are quite a few good tech replies on the serious help board, and it's a shame that they don't get merit. None of them was in my area of (limited ) expertise, so I didn't feel it was appropriate for me to act.

I've now got a lot of people on ignore for merit begging and trading, using oversized text and the misuse of graphics, so maybe I shouldn't go looking for posts to award with merit. I've had to adopt a fairly strict policy on post format because it was taking far too long for me to read threads. This is a personal decision, and doesn't reflect forum policy of course. However, posters may like to consider the fact that they won't get merit if their post isn't read. Making your post easy to read and well structured tempts the viewer to find out more. Over sized text makes it harder for him to scan quickly.

[1C6fV5DtakfKANLJ8GUV7hCaA]

2.Soon there maybe a merit farming.

This is likely happening now. I've seen groups selling merits for money. Man this is crazy. They would really do everything just to cheat the forum.

[cakmabokgot]

I want to point out something. I had an old account back in December (1,5 years old maybe, I didn't use much don't even remember), I was checking out stuff, reading, writing short answers didn't care a lot about what I was writing, however, due to the old system I became a "member" because I had just bunch of posts.

But if some new person signs up today, who is enthusiastic about the forum or the currencies, he/she will have to beg or buy or 'write clever informing articles' or be friends with high ranked ones...

I think merit system turned the forum into the real Bitcoin. The older you had it, the more profitable and powerful you are. I am okay with my rank, can use signatures that's enough.

[sitnikov]

What changes I see today, after the introduction of the "Merit" system?

1. The reverse effect. The merit-system was made in order to save the forum from the influx of useless posts, topics, etc. Today, "thanks to" the introduction of this system, we have the following: the creation of the same topics about new merit system, about shit-posts and the emergence of begging.

4. Monetization. For the time being, it is not clear until the end, the system struggling with the sale of merits or not? Like other forum participants who watch this process and paint trust if they saw merits on shit-posts, so I can’t say with full confidence about the sale of merits, this process will be more clearly visible after the passage of time.

1) You are very much right about this and I think this problem will exist in future or may become more severe. Members here have seen some of the initial threads regarding merit system getting number of merits. Now in future if we have any other change in forum rules, members will create threads about that rule change in hope of merits again.

2) I do no think that sale of merit points is a big concern here. It might be  happening on some scale but will not continue too long as the default merit points given to members are limited.

[gawer33]

let's be honest here actually the only negative of merits is that it will be harder for an individual to gain more profits in the long run in a signature bounty. also, it will discourage members whos not talented enough to post in the forum (not all are a talented poster) if they see that in they are below average in terms of merits.

[Baoo]

2.Soon there maybe a merit farming.

This is likely happening now. I've seen groups selling merits for money. Man this is crazy. They would really do everything just to cheat the forum.

Well, If you see the traders of merit points then report them and trust me, actions is better than words  . Furthermore, I do not think that those groups will last long in this forum. just with simple click on Merit, we can see who's the cheater. So thanks to merit system, we can easily know the scammers.  
I see that the moderators and the truster members are working hard and giving a great effort to eliminate those cheaters from this community.

[Naitik]

1.I think the lower ranked members is never going to rank up to legendary.
2.Soon there maybe a merit farming.
3.I am sure that not all the quality posts will get merits.
4.Mods,DT,merits sources are exchanging smerits between them.


I just want to hear more negativity if there,from the experts and seniors of our forum.

Yes you are right. It is impossible because merit giveaway depends only on upper ranked members, which is unfair by all means.
All upper ranked members do not publish quality post or even they exchange their merits, Who knows.

But we will stay where we are standing right now.


Moderators should have to rethink on merit system started all with zero merit points and Given merits based on panel of experts who reviewed all the posts.
It may be costlier but sure have great impact. 

[TheBeardedBaby]

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But if some new person signs up today, who is enthusiastic about the forum or the currencies, he/she will have to beg or buy or 'write clever informing articles' or be friends with high ranked ones...

People are getting probably tired of this but let me give you nullius as example, OK?
He knows the sh!t and have the time and the abilities to write some extraordinary posts, I know, not everyone can be like him, but hey, I think I can rank up in a couple of weeks maybe, and I'm just an ordinary guy, joined back in November last year and had no idea what blockchain is. Now I can say that I learnt quite a lot for this time and I'm thankful.
No need to beg at all, try to do something instead, be creative and learn. The information you find here is more valuable then any merit or coin.

[stein888]

I agree with the negativities you talked about but, all things has their negativities, I mean every decisions we made has a negative effect to others, but instead of just looking for negativities can we look for the positive things that this merit system brought to us? I'm still a newbie but I am not complaining about ranking up because I know that there are still people who will give their merits with full of honesty and give merits to those who deserve. Instead of complaining why not improve ourselves?

[cryptaxo]

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But if some new person signs up today, who is enthusiastic about the forum or the currencies, he/she will have to beg or buy or 'write clever informing articles' or be friends with high ranked ones...

People are getting probably tired of this but let me give you nullius as example, OK?
He knows the sh!t and have the time and the abilities to write some extraordinary posts, I know, not everyone can be like him, but hey, I think I can rank up in a couple of weeks maybe, and I'm just an ordinary guy, joined back in November last year and had no idea what blockchain is. Now I can say that I learnt quite a lot for this time and I'm thankful.
No need to beg at all, try to do something instead, be creative and learn. The information you find here is more valuable then any merit or coin.

i totally agree with what you said.

[selezneve]

Merit system has made it hard for new users to rank up which may kill their interest and they will just leave this place. It is fine that the admin wants to fight the spammers but if a genuine member also feels that there are no sufficient merits here, he will not actively participate here. This might not be good for the forum in the long run as we need new ideas and members for growth of the forum. Then there is good also that spam on the forum will reduce. Admin is the best person to evaluate based on both these.

[krishnaverma]

One of the minuses of this system is that scammers like Jamalaezaz (bounty manager scammer) will recieve merit points from the twitter and fb spammers of his bounty campaigns.

People are stealing hundreds of thousand of dollars but we are playing with merit points.
Just another useless system like trust system....my 2 cents.
If you want to do something that matters try doing a system that punishes or better yet eliminates thieves from this forum...maybe then bitcointalk wont be as cancerous as it is now.

I know that there are still a number of scammers here, mainly at high ranks. These have become quite experienced with the forum and even cheat in a smart way so as not to get detected by the staff or senior members. I am hopeful that the admin comes up with even more harsh steps in future to fight against these spammers.

[playboy654]

After long time just want to update my topic,anyone have new negative sides other than I have mentioned in the first post.

Adding one more point to OP,

6.Merits were given for the bounty threads and singature campaign threads which are almost has nothing to contribute to this forum.

Example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=137185

[RAMSHIVDEEPAK]

After long time just want to update my topic,anyone have new negative sides other than I have mentioned in the first post.

Adding one more point to OP,

6.Merits were given for the bounty threads and singature campaign threads which are almost has nothing to contribute to this forum.

Example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=137185

You can see the profile of this man...He got the negative trust for doing this....

Some of the members are doing merit trading ,If the have been caught ,they will  be punished definitely.  There are lot of member's who are giving merits to the quality post.They also use to post different type of challenges for giving merits.

I believe that don't think about the abusers/spammer/merit traders  etc. This is the good platform for getting knowledge and sharing your knowledge....use it for your improvements. Slowly slowly one day ,you will reach at your destination according the your work.