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July 13, 2011, 06:56:47 PM
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What do you think of the E-Cat cold fusion reactor that looks like a small fridge ?


Rossi claims to have build an energy reactor that gives 10 Kwh and only needs 100 grams of nickel and 150 grams of light hydrogen for 6 months operation.

End user price will be ~$2500 and with a steam to power converter $3500.

numbers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrTz5Bq6dsA&NR=1
presentation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8QdVwY98E

"Rossi has been awarded a patent for the E-Cat by the Italian Patent Office and is seeking further patent protection.
The first commercial E-Cat plant is scheduled to be launched in Greece in October of 2011 with worldwide commercial rollout of the technology to follow in November."

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Most relevant E-Cat related info until 7-14-2011 in one page: http://pesn.com/2011/07/14/9501868_E-Cat_news_coming_fast_and_furious/
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July 14, 2011, 09:59:33 AM
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Ok, so Im waiting for someone to prove this is just a scam, but for what I have read Im starting to think it could be legit. The wikipedia page does not link any criticism and there are a couple companies (one from Greece, one from the USA) that are starting to develop systems based on this idea.

Anyone has more information (for good or for bad) about this? Sounds too good to be true. The only problem I see is that I think it consumes a lot of water but I still dont understand the system completely.
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July 14, 2011, 10:23:53 AM
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Today (July 14) Rossi and his commercial partners have an appointment with people of NASA.

“for an important discussion regarding the research and business development around the E-Cat" (source)

Pretty exciting times, free money, free energy... Cool
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July 14, 2011, 10:46:54 AM
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This is either utter BS or the best thing ever.

Not sure which way I lean.

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July 14, 2011, 01:10:16 PM
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Here's an article from the guy who filmed the videos:

http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/Report2-372-EnergyCatalyzerScientificCommunicationAndEthicsIssues.shtml

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July 14, 2011, 03:27:41 PM
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The only problem I see is that I think it consumes a lot of water but I still dont understand the system completely.

There's no reason for it to consume water.  It could be cooled with a car radiator.

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July 14, 2011, 03:36:55 PM
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This guy better hire some body guards.. . I bet the electric company has a contract on him
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July 14, 2011, 04:29:18 PM
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The thing the guy is not publishing or explaining how it works inside because:

1) Its a scam.

2) He wants to make money out of his invention and does not want to reveal how it works.

So yeah, the guy is not publishing anything with scientific standars, nor giving information about his invention, but that does not mean automatically that its a scam.

From the videos I have seen if it is a trick its a very good trick because I have not seen where the energy could be coming from. Also, he has agreed with the greek company to not be payed a dime until they have the prototype working and he has agreed. If it is a scam and the thing does not work why would he agree to something like that?

I guess we will see if it is real or not in a few months. The prototype from the greek company should be ready by October.
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July 14, 2011, 05:55:16 PM
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From everything that I have read and seen about this, I haven't found a reason to dismiss it.  There's nothing patently absurd about it, like magnets in a circle or anything.  Fusion is real.  Catalysts are real.  It is plausible that fusion reactions could be catalyzed to occur at low temperatures.  Rossi has a background in synthetic fuels.  So it is reasonable that he would be experienced working with nickel and hydrogen and thermal reactors.  But besides the science, and the multiple recorded demonstrations with people like Nobel committee members in attendance, there is also a huge amount of, shall we say, disturbing circumstantial evidence --

1) Sudden Greek financial troubles, government collapse, riots.  Signs point to an engineered collapse.  First manufacturing plant is in Greece.
2) Potential Italian financial troubles.  Researchers are from Italy, were ostracized from there, and have talked about returning.
3) Potential Spanish financial troubles.  Spain has built a bunch of solar power that won't pay off for decades.  That will turn out to have been a poor investment if this is real.
4) Potential US default.  The US has been used as a global hedge.  And we're sick of it.  Viable small scale power in the US means collapse of the global financial system.
5) A decade of rumors of successful US Navy cold fusion experiments.
6) Two decades of rumors that Pons/Fleischmann was real, and suppressed.
7) The completely irrational push from the top down, over the last decade at least, to subsidize wasteful energy consumption of all types.  Arab states are pumping as fast as they can.  Ones that don't are invaded and deposed.  Mass-produced energy efficient vehicles are torpedoed by government.  Building giant uninsulated houses in the desert is subsidized.  There is no movement on carbon controls.  Nuclear power is demonized.  It makes absolutely no sense.  Global energy consumption is totally unsustainable without some type of breakthrough.  Someone knows more about this than the general public, and probably most of the scientific establishment.

I realize it is counter-intuitive to say that financial collapse is circumstantial evidence of free energy.  But one thing that is important to understand with regards to the global financial system is that, from a macro perspective, it is only profitable to invest in technologies that can be centralized and controlled.  Things like free software, sustainable agriculture and distributed energy production are not good investments, because they cannot be monopolized.  Limited resources can be monopolized.  Centralized power production can be monopolized.  Proprietary software can be monopolized.  Unsustainable real estate development can be monopolized.  Large-scale monoculture farming can be monopolized.

The central banks will throw huge sums of money at these technologies, because they can be compartmentalized, controlled, and used to control people.  They are "low risk".  Distributed, sustainable, integrated technologies are very "high risk", from the perspective of investment banks, since they cannot be controlled as easily.  And, more importantly, because they are liberating to the wage-slaves who comprise the collateral backing the 700-trillion-dollar global debt-based financial system.

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July 15, 2011, 04:18:26 AM
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NEW DELHI: Amid sluggish spot demand and absence of cues from overseas markets, nickel futures prices fell by 0.14 per cent today as speculators reduced their positions.

At the Multi Commodity Exchange, nickel for delivery in July fell by Rs 1.50, or 0.14 per cent, to Rs 1,037.70 per kg, with a business turnover of 1,365 lots.

Likewise, the metal for delivery in August moved down by Rs 1.30, or 0.12 per cent, to Rs 1,046.90 per kg, with a trade volume of 88 lots.

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-07-12/news/29765286_1_nickel-futures-sluggish-demand-trade-volume

it would occur to a cynic that a good reason to put a manufacturing plant in greece is that they're less likely to ask too many probing questions - what with being broke and all...

who knows?

if it works, i'll buy one.  but, as mark twain once remarked:

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July 19, 2011, 09:19:29 PM
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I realize it is counter-intuitive to say that financial collapse is circumstantial evidence of free energy.  

I think they are correlated. The things that are causing the financial system to collapse are the same that are allowing things like free energy, Bitcoin and the Ron Paul movement to rise. It's basically loss of control by the old system.

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July 20, 2011, 12:16:50 AM
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Without having read anything about it: almost certainly BS. First seeing a fundamental breakthrough as a commercial product is a huge red flag.
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July 20, 2011, 12:21:33 AM
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Without having read anything about it: almost certainly BS. First seeing a fundamental breakthrough as a commercial product is a huge red flag.

Well, he's putting a lot out there on the line, if it is BS. We'll see in October.

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July 20, 2011, 04:41:10 AM
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it does not defy physics, but does the product deliver?

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July 20, 2011, 06:21:12 AM
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it does not defy physics...

are you actually qualified to make that statement?
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July 20, 2011, 06:32:51 AM
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it does not defy physics...

are you actually qualified to make that statement?

We said the same thing before the Manhattan project, why is this different, i too am skeptical of the product most of all, but the science behind it is not exactly proven as well. but i am willing to see what they do.

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July 20, 2011, 06:33:52 AM
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it does not defy physics...

are you actually qualified to make that statement?
That does seem to be the general consensus about most cold fusion claims. They don't violate any of the known laws of physics like most free energy claims do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion

That said, the claims are still almost certainly false.

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July 20, 2011, 07:29:10 AM
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it does not defy physics...

are you actually qualified to make that statement?
That does seem to be the general consensus about most cold fusion claims. They don't violate any of the known laws of physics like most free energy claims do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion

That said, the claims are still almost certainly false.


Exactly. The theoretical posibility for cold fusion is there. Its more a problem of engineering. We dont know how to harvest that energy. This guy claims he has. Well see in October.
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July 20, 2011, 12:56:57 PM
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Lol, look at the photo, it's Mr. Fusion!



Even the "Home energy reactor" writing is the same  Roll Eyes
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July 20, 2011, 03:05:52 PM
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extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Here's a good thread (in which you might recognize one of the posters)

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=198040
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