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[jdole]

delete

[fempat]

It still brings up the same problem theymos is trying to solve. Many people would simply buy the merit points and continue to post spam all because "they don't have time" to post quality messages. I think the best way is to encourage people not to hoard their sMerit but to award them liberally to everyone who's worth it.

[galkina]

But I do not want to spend time for posting quality.
Because I am busy .
How much can you pay for 1 MERIT who are busy and want to  rank up?

If you are busy, do not post here. Posts like this will encourage people trying to abuse the newly introduced merit system.

[actmyname]

I agree with the MERIT system.
But I do not want to spend time for posting quality.
Because I am busy .

Then you do not agree with the merit system. If you do not have time to create quality posts, then why do you deserve any merit? That defeats the whole purpose of it.

Merit should not be bought. That is buying reputation, i.e. buying trust and is an incredibly untrustworthy action.If you're too busy then it shouldn't matter what rank you are. In fact, it shouldn't matter in the first place.

[btc-facebook]

It still brings up the same problem theymos is trying to solve. Many people would simply buy the merit points and continue to post spam all because "they don't have time" to post quality messages. I think the best way is to encourage people not to hoard their sMerit but to award them liberally to everyone who's worth it.

1 day = 24 hour

I think it's more than enough to make quality post per hour except you're try to make quality post with 12 account in 1 hour
Also I do not think that merit can be trade by money since if they will just go away and never back again, leaving genuine poster only

[romanovst]

How much can you pay to 1 MERIT?

I agree with the MERIT system.
But I do not want to spend time for posting quality.
Because I am busy .
How much can you pay for 1 MERIT who are busy and want to  rank up?

Why do you want to rank up ? If you are really busy (with work), you do not need incentives associated with higher ranks.

[Wendigo]

To calculate how much 1 merit point would cost in the current Bitcointalk signature campaign economy  you could app up 12 monthly payments of the highest paid campaigns then divide that number by 1000 (the amount of points needed to reach legendary status and earn the highest rewards) and you would get a pretty accurate estimate of how much 1 merit point would cost 

[Bonakid]

We cannot resolve the shitposting if we can buy a merit,they avoid an off topic comments so thats why they implement merit.We should follow their rules and try to improve our quality of posting.Bitcoin is not for earning only,we should help them in every topics they post.

[SM23031997]

My option is missing from the list.
"I won't sell it."

[iakovni]

Are you asking the price of something that will ruin all the efforts put by admin in implementing this merit system ?

[sitnikov]

I think there are people selling merits on other internet marketing forums already. But, this is not good for the forum. Also, how many merits will you buy. To become a legendary member, you need 1000 merits and that should be at least $5000 if we consider $5 as price for one merit point.

I think it is better to go with the correct way instead.

[shesheboy]

I think there are people selling merits on other internet marketing forums already. But, this is not good for the forum. Also, how many merits will you buy. To become a legendary member, you need 1000 merits and that should be at least $5000 if we consider $5 as price for one merit point.

I think it is better to go with the correct way instead.

lol that is overpricing , who the hell would buy that anyways?  much better if they can only buy bitcointalk accounts rather than buying merits itself.  that will save them the cost and hassel to post quality content.

If people continue to improve their posts and find no merit points, the solution will be to buy them.
We have about 60 sources, but most of the members have 10 points.
There should be an indulgence in giving points and emphasis over time

this is the real problem that Most users faced right now. no matter how good their post are, they still dont recieve a fvking merrit but look at those high ranked members and the popular ones like lauda, lutpin, etc. they recieve merrits easily whatever they post.

[actmyname]

If people continue to improve their posts and find no merit points, the solution will be to buy them.
We have about 60 sources, but most of the members have 10 points.
There should be an indulgence in giving points and emphasis over time

Post quality improvement ≠ merit rewards.

And you certainly aren't going to always see a consistent correlation between them.

For example, let M be the set of all users' post quality.

Suppose you're in the bottom half of M and you improve your quality to the median. That means there is still a hell of a lot of people who deserve merit more than you do.

In order to maximize your potential merit earnings, you would need to be among the highest values in M.Buying merits will not be condoned. It is effectively trust farming.

[Jet Cash]

Well this thread has added two more to my ignore list.

If you have to buy merit points, then you are a failure - it's as simple as that.

[edsnow2017]

How much can you pay to 1 MERIT?

I agree with the MERIT system.
But I do not want to spend time for posting quality.
Because I am busy .
How much can you pay for 1 MERIT who are busy and want to  rank up?



My suggestion is to create MERITcoin with MERIT market.
MERITcoin collects money with ICO.
That money can be used to fund the BITCOIN FORUM.
People who need MERIT at BITCOIN FORUM should buy MERITcoin.
This will solve the MERIT problem.

I think that buying merit points in too much injustice for low ranks that don't have money to buy for t if the merit score will be pay then a newbie can reach the highest rank that he/she wants in just a day without a need of posting quality stuffs I think you should not encourage people to do this buying merit points to get high rank. All people that are buying merit points should be banned from the forum forever. You don't deserve the rank you get if you just buy your merit score.

[belyaevi]

lol that is overpricing , who the hell would buy that anyways?  much better if they can only buy bitcointalk accounts rather than buying merits itself.  that will save them the cost and hassel to post quality content.
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Eventually, those accounts that reached higher levels before the merit system will get sold. Then the price of accounts will rise as well.

[TMAN]

lol that is overpricing , who the hell would buy that anyways?  much better if they can only buy bitcointalk accounts rather than buying merits itself.  that will save them the cost and hassel to post quality content.

Eventually, those accounts that reached higher levels before the merit system will get sold. Then the price of accounts will rise as well.
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why? some of us trade here and value our accounts a lot more than the Pajeets would ever buy them for, you could offer me $10K for mine and I still would not take it. The ability to trade physicals with people I trust with No escrow and the Fact that the scumbag who wants to buy my account would try and rip them off.... That I would not do to my mates..

I know for a fact there are 100+ people on this forum who feel the same, so no not all "higher level accounts" will be sold.

[nullius]

Trust page for #1260407 “jdole”
(Drat, Lauda handily beat me to it.)

If some brazen-faced scumbag openly suggested the creation of an organized system of vote-buying in your country, how would you react?

Imagine that somebody seeking election to a high community rank said he wanted to buy votes because, “I do not want to spend time for [doing stuff for the people I expect to vote for me].  Because I am busy.”  What would you do about that?

If somebody said to you, “I demand your respect, admiration, and friendship; but I’m too busy to earn those things from you.  Here’s some cash!  I’m buying your respect—buying you!” —Would you accept that?  Or would you punch him in the face?

I call on all decent people reading this thread to take community action against this outrage:  Paint
#1260407 “jdole” bleeding red until his trust page looks like that of this guy who was buying positive trust—a concept indistinguishable from buying merit.

Handy selection of archival links to use for the reference:

• https://web.archive.org/web/20180202100132/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2866843.0
• https://archive.is/pn8g8

Please let the world know just how much you trust somebody who advocates organized forum abuse—and don’t let him get away with it!

[Mevz]

LOL, launching an ICO just for the merit system have you ever seen so many people are against with it. Selling or buying sMerits are prohited by some DT members. If ever this shit will continue why are you launching a coin, people will trade on their own even not using some shit meritcoins. Sorry mate you're a failure businessman. Always use the commonsense.

[nullius]

This was not an ordinary whine job or garbage post.  It looks like somebody dipping a toe in the water.  I’d wager that spammers who see the merit system killing their business are watching the reaction to this thread.

That is why I urged so strongly:

I call on all decent people reading this thread to take community action against this outrage:  Paint
#1260407 “jdole” bleeding red until his trust page looks like that of this guy who was buying positive trust—a concept indistinguishable from buying merit.

[sheenshane]

LOL, launching an ICO just for the merit system have you ever seen so many people are against with it. Selling or buying sMerits are prohited by some DT members. If ever this shit will continue why are you launching a coin, people will trade on their own even not using some shit meritcoins. Sorry mate you're a failure businessman. Always use the commonsense.

So obsessed mate with the new merit system, he know that this is against by the law of our beloved forum why he/she trying to make a business by launching their own ICO and he called it meritcoins. Buying smerit is really prohibited on this forum even by our admins and some DT members if they caught you an evidence surely you have a red mark under your profile. Let's just obey what they are given to us besides it is a good reflection to our beloved forum and through this we have to challenged our selves to post a quality post here.

[krishnaverma]

why? some of us trade here and value our accounts a lot more than the Pajeets would ever buy them for, you could offer me $10K for mine and I still would not take it. The ability to trade physicals with people I trust with No escrow and the Fact that the scumbag who wants to buy my account would try and rip them off.... That I would not do to my mates..

I know for a fact there are 100+ people on this forum who feel the same, so no not all "higher level accounts" will be sold.

Only if we have all the members thinking like you. Most of the people try to find shortcuts to make money instead of building some reputation and reaping long term benefits.

[nullius]

Thanks, mods!

It’s good to see such action against a post openly advocating organized violation of forum rules.

Kudos to everybody who’s been tagging this creep.

[hilariousetc]

People really scrape the barrel of what they can try set up a shitcoin ICO for. Monetising merit points in this way would defeat the purpose of them in the first place, but this sort of laziness you admit to is exactly why the system will work because the worst sorts of posters will get nowhere without either A) Just putting in the effort to achieve the merit, or B) bending/breaking the rules to get there. You would be better off just buying an account on the sly rather than dreaming up such ludicrous ideas to bypass the system, but this is yet another reason why there needs to be clampdowns on lazy campaign managers as well because many people will just try get around the restrictions by buying accounts or merit points in some way and they'll still make shitposts once they've achieve this and are on a lazy campaign which will pay them reagrdless.

[nullius]

People really scrape the barrel of what they can try set up a shitcoin ICO for. Monetising merit points in this way would defeat the purpose of them in the first place, but this sort of laziness you admit to is exactly why the system will work because the worst sorts of posters will get nowhere without either A) Just putting in the effort to achieve the merit, or B) bending/breaking the rules to get there. You would be better off just buying an account on the sly rather than dreaming up such ludicrous ideas to bypass the system, but this is yet another reason why there needs to be clampdowns on lazy campaign managers as well because many people will just try get around the restrictions by buying accounts or merit points in some way and they'll still make shitposts once they've achieve this and are on a lazy campaign which will pay them reagrdless.

Do you think this was a serious ICO proposal?  Maybe; I should never doubt the limits of human stupidity, and perhaps I am overthinking this.  (But why post in meta and not the altcoin forum which allows scams ICOs?)  Still—I’ve been questioning why this thread was really made.  The oh so busy OP probably put more effort into the post starting this thread than any other post he’s ever made (not that that says much).  I’d expect that spammers are now trying to figure out what to do—how to break the merit system, which is a very big problem for them.  I don’t care to speculate openly.

The important part is, I think both mods and the community reacted appropriately.  The message is loud and clear:  Attempts to undermine the merit system are NOT WELCOME.  Most responses were more or less outraged.  A number of users tagged OP with negative trust.  Mods redacted the post and the subject line.  Well done.

i'm talking generally. We've been over a week but most of the members have gotten to (3-50 merits point).
In the long term, there will be congestion and merits will be the main factor to rank up (not activity).
I just found a few of the members who were able to collect Points of merit required (except legendary)  "less than 20 for all ranks"

Whence this notion that all users supposed to advance on a regular progression through all the ranks?  This “congestion” of which you speak isn’t a bug:  It’s a feature!  Well, congratulations, you’ve discovered the principal purpose of the merits system:  To slow down most users’ rank advancement, and stop many of them entirely.  People who aren’t capable of earning threshold merit for a rank should never attain that rank—what, do you think everybody deserves to be called “Hero” or “Legendary”?  Do you know what those words mean?

Why do you want to rank up ? If you are really busy (with work), you do not need incentives associated with higher ranks.

Red colour added to “if” of facts not in evidence.  Boldface redoubling that.

[kobradobra]

The problem is that people mostly came to BTT forum not to lurk, but to earn some money.
I see here in this line thread some users with 100-200 merits with trash post history. Like really. The most merited users are not the ones who contribute to community, but the most dodgy/crafty ones.
So all in all it won't change anything. I bet there are already tons of "Merit-for-Merit" publics in Telegram or Discord.

[Gotumoot]

It still brings up the same problem theymos is trying to solve. Many people would simply buy the merit points and continue to post spam all because "they don't have time" to post quality messages. I think the best way is to encourage people not to hoard their sMerit but to award them liberally to everyone who's worth it.

I would agree on this statement though , I know lot of us giving a hard time because of this merit but our dear mod or the update want us to be more if you know what I mean. And I just wanted to add some , give your merit to whos worth , the post "must" be constructive and well explained and it include the value of your post either it help some one or motivated then by your quote or reply.

[hilariousetc]

Do you think this was a serious ICO proposal?  Maybe; I should never doubt the limits of human stupidity, and perhaps I am overthinking this.  (But why post in meta and not the altcoin forum which allows scams ICOs?)  Still—I’ve been questioning why this thread was really made.  The oh so busy OP probably put more effort into the post starting this thread than any other post he’s ever made (not that that says much).  I’d expect that spammers are now trying to figure out what to do—how to break the merit system, which is a very big problem for them.  I don’t care to speculate openly.

In his mind it was probably a serious idea, hence why he deleted it. I doubt he thought it through though. Spammers will just farm or trade merit between alts. If it becomes easier to become a merit source then nefarious individuals will just work at that until they get a few accounts on there. Theymos will need to add more sources to make the system scale and if all it takes is ten posts you think should be rewarded then it could lead to problems. Users trading or selling merit will likely soon get found out though so not sure how worth it it will be to them.

The problem is that people mostly came to BTT forum not to lurk, but to earn some money.
I see here in this line thread some users with 100-200 merits with trash post history. Like really. The most merited users are not the ones who contribute to community, but the most dodgy/crafty ones.
So all in all it won't change anything. I bet there are already tons of "Merit-for-Merit" publics in Telegram or Discord.

It will change things as it already has. Some individuals will try cheat the system but they'll be dealt with once caught. For everyone else they will just need to improve their contributions which is what the system was intended to do.