Do we have an impact?

[ilnick]

I repeatedly watched the tape of bitcoin trades. I had to see how the price changed by ~ $500 when executing very small orders 0.001-0.1 BTC. Participants in the market with small orders moved the price - it's a fact.
We do not create news, but we react to it in the market. And we have price move)

[Cryptophorus Columbus]

As in any democracy, or any crowd movement, we - as individuals - don't have any impact.
But, as with the election, any vote counts.
So, our contribution, even it seems meaningless to us, will help the result that we want.

[BaeNaNa]

Small fish is usually the loudest but normal people panic becuase of those and contribute to the market as whole. While i agree that the whale usually don't need this forum, small and medium investor usually read this forum or reddit and some fud / rumour created may give them scare and force them to sell.

[mautenisis]

A single person wont have an impact even if he is a whale,but a group of people in the community can make difference,a good example is PND group which cointains not only whales,but also small fishes if they are really communicating and helping each's others hand to earn money,why not the whole community of small people?we can manipulate the market if we will work as one.Always remember this,no man is an island.

[shinratensei_]

Small fish is usually the loudest but normal people panic becuase of those and contribute to the market as whole. While i agree that the whale usually don't need this forum, small and medium investor usually read this forum or reddit and some fud / rumour created may give them scare and force them to sell.

With a lot of money and whales can do anything with the market such as pump shitcoin to the moon to make others feeling scared and then the majority of uneducated person is buying at peak and the whales can dump it again for a bunch of money. Small fish make it even louder.

[cryptoSchultz18]

The real manipulators are:

big whales,
politicians,
media.

Big whales pouring much money, politicians making announcements on banning cryptocurrencies, media spreading all that and making the noise. This is how it is!  

[jbautistangina]

There is some saying,No man is an island,a great man needs a lot of companion to achieve his success,there is no strong man to a bunch of peole which means even the whales are afraid to the small fishes when these fishes swam together,helping each other's hand to protect the market from these manipulators.All i can say is we can make a difference by having snychronization if the market has gone wild again we can prevent bloodbaths if most of the people dont panic.

[bandar]

I'm not saying AT ALL that bountyhunters don't make money.  I made too much myself on bounties to ever claim that lol.  I've been around here since 2014.  In those days there were hardly any ICO's.  All the 'big stars' from LSK, NXT, ETH and others posted here and you could actually follow the threads just by looking at the new posts after two days!  Look at this place now!  Hundreds and hundreds of threads with really young and new users all screaming eth goes up, btc goes down, is this the end? etc...  All this BS doesn't effect the price imo. 

I'm with the eephants and ants guy on this one. 

We just follow.  I think there are 'forces' behind the curtains with a LOT of btc/alts pulling the strings.  Don't forget eth was $2 some time ago and btc only <$100.  Most of the traders here are extatic when they have a full btc or 6 eth.  Don't forget some have 1000's...

[bandar]

we can prevent bloodbaths if most of the people dont panic.

Look at the public here.  It might be a wild guess but I think I'm not far off: my estimation is that >50% of the people here, now, investing and 'sharing their knowledge', bought btc the first time at >$10k.  What do you think happens if someone saves up hard earned cash and invests in something that goes down -50% the month after their investment?  Right, most panic.  You can scream hodl all you want, most of the noobs will sell because they can't stand the heat.

This is part of my point: if all these small fish hodl, the market can STILL go down because there are people selling by the 100's and 1000's.  We need info on the movements of whale accounts, that would be helpful. 

[bandar]

I repeatedly watched the tape of bitcoin trades. I had to see how the price changed by ~ $500 when executing very small orders 0.001-0.1 BTC. Participants in the market with small orders moved the price - it's a fact.
We do not create news, but we react to it in the market. And we have price move)

ever heard of bots?  You think whales sit behind their computers clicking 'sell 100btc at xx price'... 'yes'... ?  It happens but most will do theur thing in small orders.  Small orders don't mean anything.

[ZaynDale]

Yes, we still have an impact.
As the member of this forum and I do believe most of us are participating Airdrop coins and tokens and ICO Bounty campaigns and we're helping them achieve their goal especially on reaching their hard capital so we're being awarded with their coins at the end of their ICOs.
The coins and tokens that we receive it will circulate their coins on any Crypto Exchanges so we help them achieve their goals and we help them doing the trades.

[bandar]

Yes, we still have an impact.
As the member of this forum and I do believe most of us are participating Airdrop coins and tokens and ICO Bounty campaigns and we're helping them achieve their goal especially on reaching their hard capital so we're being awarded with their coins at the end of their ICOs.
The coins and tokens that we receive it will circulate their coins on any Crypto Exchanges so we help them achieve their goals and we help them doing the trades.

That's one way of looking at it, another is that us small fish are building (eth) whales with a lot of small (ico) investments.  We do not only build them, we do their marketing AND buy their coins. 

An even more cynical view on the matter is that no one gives a damn about all these crypto experiments with tokens and just want ther 1 eth turn into 10eth after they sell them in max 1 year.  But that's another story. 

Let me explain with one simple example: 1 new coin, hardly any trades, lots of supply, 1 whale pushing the coin on 1 exchange with 100btc.  Complete manipulation with all of a sudden a place on coinmarketcap of, let's say 89 and green numbers of +200%.  What do you think will happen?  The sheep on this forum start blabbering about what a great coin, such community, many innovations and wow devs.  Action (100btc pump) --> REaction (talk on this forum).  Not (always) the other way around.

[Ninja Sword]

I wonder.    It looks like the people posting here don't have that much btc/cash/funds and are almost all small fish.  One of the reasons is of course the bounty hunters.  People with >100btc don't need bounties.  People with >1000btc don't need this forum lol...  So I wonder, all the fud, shilling etc here.  Does it really have an impact on prices?  I tend to believe we are all manipulated big time by real whales with 100's and 1000's of btc.  If a group of eth hodlers of several 100k eth decide together: let's go down today, then we will go down. When prices are down enough they decide to go up.  Thoughts? This pattern is the most obvious on reall small exchanges with bullshit coins.  Look at some of them!  You KNOW they are worth nothing and all of a sudden they moon and drop. 

I agree with some of your views, but I do not support the fact that it has 100 Bitcoin does not need a campaign? Where is your ambition? another factor, people who have 1000 Bitcoin do not need this forum? well, without their compassion (Whales), this forum would not even be successful.

[bratbu]

Why wont we have an impact?if we joing our hands together im sure we can make difference,these manipulators would be scared if most of the small fishes combined together,Not all the whales doesnt need to be here yes,but few of them are still joing bounties because they know how much they can get if they still join signatures.I have a friend who has thousands of bitcoins but he doesnt stop doing things that he loved to do.

[retlaw04]

The real manipulators are:

big whales,
politicians,
media.

Big whales pouring much money, politicians making announcements on banning cryptocurrencies, media spreading all that and making the noise. This is how it is!  

Nice said. You forgot to mention the banks. Who believes the fairy tale that the banks are real opponents of the Cryptoszene, is wrong. They are big players in this game.

[aizzaku]

I'm not saying AT ALL that bountyhunters don't make money.  I made too much myself on bounties to ever claim that lol.  I've been around here since 2014.  In those days there were hardly any ICO's.  All the 'big stars' from LSK, NXT, ETH and others posted here and you could actually follow the threads just by looking at the new posts after two days!  Look at this place now!  Hundreds and hundreds of threads with really young and new users all screaming eth goes up, btc goes down, is this the end? etc...  All this BS doesn't effect the price imo. 

I'm with the eephants and ants guy on this one. 

We just follow.  I think there are 'forces' behind the curtains with a LOT of btc/alts pulling the strings.  Don't forget eth was $2 some time ago and btc only <$100.  Most of the traders here are extatic when they have a full btc or 6 eth.  Don't forget some have 1000's...

damn i couldn't agree more. I have been here since that time as well and seen some awesome threads and discussion. Lately there is so much f*ing noise and spam that even if there are some real good ones you miss them out.
What i do once in a while is go in individual boards and threads to check out the hidden gems.

Yet i believe that this forum has impact. Impact can be in different ways and not directly to the price.
Many project looks for dev or other services here.

Also i am trying to help newbies and looking out for more clients here for the services i provide.

and on the bounty thing, well projects are speeding quite some money for signature campaigns which has to account for something.
There are far more leech'rs on the forum than you know, looking out for the first piece of info to get on board of any project.

[Zentor]

This forum wasn`t created for manipulation with prices. And everyone needs this forum because almost every new potentially good project creates a thread here.

[orkoso]

This forum as an entity has the greatest impact on the new projects, far above any other source of information. The reason is that is very targeted to people involved in cryptos.

[blankpaladin]

I wonder.    It looks like the people posting here don't have that much btc/cash/funds and are almost all small fish.  One of the reasons is of course the bounty hunters.  People with >100btc don't need bounties.  People with >1000btc don't need this forum lol...  So I wonder, all the fud, shilling etc here.  Does it really have an impact on prices?  I tend to believe we are all manipulated big time by real whales with 100's and 1000's of btc.  If a group of eth hodlers of several 100k eth decide together: let's go down today, then we will go down. When prices are down enough they decide to go up.  Thoughts? This pattern is the most obvious on reall small exchanges with bullshit coins.  Look at some of them!  You KNOW they are worth nothing and all of a sudden they moon and drop. 

yes, do we have an impact. As a group, we could make an impact unlike if you only one. Also, we're here to earn money, we don't give a crap to people who don't need bounties or this forum. All we got together is to earn, to make life. Don't bother yourself about them. Stay focus on why you are here in forum.

[Grim149x]

We have a big impact here. Why would they bother to go here if it doesn't work anyways. This forum is very influential as most ICOs have their ANNs and Bounty Campaigns here. I always tell my friends to take good care of their bitcointalk accounts because it is very important.