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February 23, 2018, 05:14:25 AM
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I think to develop into a good project, at least should have the following conditions:

To develop a loyal and active community is the most important issue so far. Letting all people think this is a long-term investment project,

Get Distribution XEV object is active users is correct, the more active the proportion of users should get higher, according to the contribution of Distribution

DEV efforts are still essential, continuous technological innovation, hard work, will make more and more investors to join, need to do a long-term planning, and constant efforts Strength, looking forward to your Roadmap.

During the project development, no matter how much the XEV price, DEV should work hard to carry out development work,This is really very important


Trust me, obviously everyone has some sort of guess/estimation/prediction and etc for price, even myself. But, rest assured, Nevra's development and etc will not stop no matter what the price is.

My goal is to make Nevra a top 100 coin, and that will happen. The object is not price, but to proove a point and have the new BTT witness how airdrop distribution, and tech is done, without generating 100s of millions for an ERC token riding on hot air.

Once the mainnet is launched, going to take all my talent and really focus more on features and development with that, alongside marketing.

Well, I will always pay attention, DEV constant efforts will certainly accomplish a great project
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February 23, 2018, 05:26:57 AM
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This community is a really serious community, I browse through this ann every day, we are serious questions and discussions, there is no spam. Wink
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Nevra Q&A
(2/22/2018 6pm UTC – 7pm UTC)


I will be really happy if you can show us your real identity. I think in these days it is nice to know what person is leading the project. I also think that identity of whole team should be public. Or what is the reason to hide your real identity (no offense)?"

Tk808:You can view all my information (linked-in) on the Nevra site, it's a bit hidden, but it's been up there: https://www.linkedin.com/in/t-k-hamed-79b1a4a2/


Are you changing the total supply to reflect the values on the poll?


Tk808: Yeah, it's going to be changed to 125,000,000 total supply, I don't foresee us changing it again. Each stakeholder will have the same weight (.0008%) of the total supply I believe, instead of 1k XEV's, you'll be getting 100,000 XEV's


Ok thx, what will happen if all stakes are not claimed?

Tk808:If all the stakes are not claimed (the 1,000 stakeholders), then we'll probably enter some sort of a donation round, where the remaining stakes will be available at a fixed rate. I don't feel like those stakes should be burned off, because the new supply of 125million is quite reasonable for the markets.
There's about a month and 1 week left for users to actively enter Nevra's distribution, and so far, there are about 200-250 unique users who've posted on Nevra's ANN. I mean, it's pretty good, but there is a great stigma occurring with all airdrops, and how the market is becoming flooded by them.


Can person get more than 1 stake?


Tk808:  No, and yes at the same time. In terms of our rules, we are not allowing anyone to claim a double stake, even if we do enter a donation round. But that being said, there will be attempts from "puppets" to claim double stakes, and all our effort will go into the auditing rounds/filter rounds. Our team will actively re-review each account, then we'll open up our filtered list and stakeholder list for the community to audit, then we'll ultimately re-review all the stakeholders. This will all occur shortly after the stakeholder claim period ends, on March 31st, so in April this will happen.This will all be to filter puppets and users from claiming double stakes


Hi Tk. I've noticed seemingly knowledgeable posts from Brand New accounts on the thread. Seems dubious that accounts are being created purely to apply for Nevra. Do you have a policy on this?


Tk808: Yeah, I definitely do notice all this. If you notice the spreadsheet, we're kind-of actively filtering accounts as we go along, flagging and making notes (and highlighting them in an orange background), so that should give some indication we are definitely aware of these accounts.
What I really can say about this, just by merely posting 1 long post on our ANN will not guarantee you a stakeholder status, we are going to review how active accounts are and etc. I'm going to be revealing the criteria list shortly before March 31st.
Users will have to be somewhat active on BTT, and it's a bit questioning that users know a lot about NEM and crypto's, but yet are posting with new accounts on BTT, the epicenter of all cryptos.


I did notice that. I'm sure this will be oversubscribed before the deadline. Will account age in addition to participation play a part in the filtering process?

Tk808: To an extent, but obviously some of the higher ranked accounts do have multiple accounts to. There are certain patterns to look for when a user posts to Nevra, and how we re-review them. I really don't want to give away how we are going to we are going to filter the higher-ranked accounts. But, for the newbies, and people who've just registered, yeah that will play-into how we filter.
Along with merit, which is a vital importance to me, Jr, Newbies and brand-new accounts acquiring merit.
We can just focus on those newer accounts with merit, instead of going through every newbie account posting on our ANN that have not contributed to the discussion really.


Is it possible for an announcement to be made here on discord when the airdrop starts?


Tk808: The airdrop has technically started, but not in the sense you're used to I suppose.


There is no google form, nothing that's required other than posting into the ANN “After their filtering of people to be selected as stakeholders and they did not made it to 1000 people, will the allotted airdrop tokens will just be divided evenly or they will make an extension of the period date until it reaches 1000 qualifiers?

Tk808: If all 1000 stakes are not claimed, then the remaining will be available in a donation round. I don't believe those tokens should be allocated to current stakeholders that are accepted, because each stakeholder is already getting a large sum of the supply.


It is mentioned in the ANN that all filtered possible puppet accounts will be granted some kind of an appeal process to prove their originality, what is your plan on conducting this authentication and what do you think the requirement will be to meet these criteria? thanks

Tk808: That's an excellent question. We're actually going to go a bit more harshly on these individuals, especially if they are found to be puppets by the Nevra team, AND the community. I believe we are going to be almost asking for external validations and basically interviewing them on a 1-to-1 basis. Again, the details for that are not quite ready, but I’m actively working on all the details to release to the community on how these processes will occur.
we'll never do KYC verification, but maybe have them tweet @ us with their official social media accounts, but I really do not suspect many of the puppets to refute the decision.
Actually, I don't think many of the filtered accounts will even be around to keep track of our progress on Nevra.


I have a couple of suggestions on weeding out duplicates. Nothing groundbreaking and stuff you may have already considered. Will contact you via PM on this.


Tk808: Definitely man! I’m like always up for what you guys have to hear/suggest, like I really do take everything into consideration
The whole reason Nevra was created, was to show why these types of coins are still in desire. Very few have attempted what we are attempting with distribution, because it takes so much time and effort.

Will message you on Bct later.


Kindly tell us the special features XEV will have

Tk808: While all the technical details are limited ATM, and I can't give you anything conclusive atm. But, I’m looking at increasing transaction times, the scaling of the blockchain (scaling fees), editing Nem's multi-sig coding to make it more accessible and easy to use. The POI staking from NEM will also be incorporated into Nevra's framework. These are just a few things


Yea, each stakeholder to have 100,000 XEV otherwise the account will not be balance
It's good to get all the coins out at once. You only have to look at the cluster that Byteball is right now to realize how much of a negative it is when the dev is holding supply.
at 1NevStake = 100,000 XEV's, still .0008% of the supply, at 1,250,000 Supply


Tk808: Yeah, I mean Nevra's whole goal is to be transparent and trustworthy as possible. There are drawbacks to releasing 80%-90% of the coins immediately, because it causes a big sell-off. But in return, the process is transparent, and the system is fair.


The dump is going to be huge, how do you plan to deal with it?

Tk808: I'm not worried about a dump of Nevra, actually I want a big dump to occur right away, I actually encourage you to dump your coins : ).


I'm one of the newbie users that made an account just for Nevra and I think other newbies could be in my situation. I was aware of BTT for some time and lurked there, just didn't have a reason to make an account. 99% of airdrops that would require an account just weren't interesting for me.


Tk808: I really recommend staying somewhat active on BTT from this point on. Not on the Nevra thread, but in general.


This might be looked at as an oxymoron but would XEV be a private coin? and if not, are there any plans to incorporate any privacy tech in the roadmap? I am asking because based on my humble research it seems that private coin have big demand both in the present and the future.


Tk808: While I do recognize the need for anonymous coins, we’ll not be looking to add any more privacy then Nem's already incorporated into their blockchain. Privacy is not the purpose of Nevra's Mainnet.


the second round will be filtered by the community, there will be a vote?

Tk808:  Yes, there will be an involvement from the community like Nem. There will be a thread, and open discussions here on discord. And if community members do find puppets, they will be awarded some sort of Bug-Bounty Award.
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sorry for maybe dumb question. Nevra is not POS coin?


Tk808: Nevra will be a POI coin, just like NEM. https://blog.nem.io/what-are-poi-and-vesting/


Is the plan to close the ability to be a stakeholder on the 31st march still going to go ahead in the unlikely event that there aren't 1000 eligible members at that time?

Tk808: Yeah, it will be closed no matter what on March 31st, even if there is not 1000 Stakeholders. We allocated 2 months to claim NevraStake, which is not a lot of time to spread the word, but we can't prologue Nevra's stakeholder period for a long time. It's going to push back when we actually get to filter accounts, and etc. I may end up taking a community vote on this. But the current plan was to enter a donation round with all the remaining stakes, to inspire the DEV team when creating the mainnet. There is going to be a list, a criterion that will be made public, basically one criteria I can state here now is the activeness of the account. To go into detail about "Active" are there more than 1 period where the account has gone inactive, where is the user mainly posting to? Does the entire account consist of "Joined" "Interested" and etc... stuff like this? I can go much more in-depth


Hi I'm looking for Nevra slogan for the biggest support


Tk808: Equality, Freedom, Trust - Nevra


Is that just the Bitcointalk account or will here in discord count? Thanks for answering

Tk808: Yeah, I’ll definitely take into consideration the users here on discord

Tk808: (off topic) I want to iterate again, That Nevra's Mainnet supply will be 125,000,000, and will not change again. 1 NevraStake will equal 100,000 XEV's once the mainnet is live.
1000 stakeholders, x 100,000 XEV's = 100,000,000 XEV's There may have been some misinformation on the stakeholder’s sheet. I'll update the ANN shortly


Just a remark: Bitcointalk username do not necessarily match Discord one
Should we include this in our profile?


Tk808: If you have a JR, Newbie or Brand-new account, or really are uncertain, yeah, I would recommend it, would help give more legitimacy to your BTT account.


How are the recruitment plans for the project's team going? and what should one do if they believe they have some skilled work to offer? not asking for me since unfortunately I am technically illiterate but for the community members as a whole, thanks

Tk808: There are going alright, I’m still recruiting some Java Dev's but in currently in talks with 2 atm. The NEM fork will not be difficult to do at all. I mean if I wanted, NEVRA XEV could launch tomorrow. But that's not the goal


Will you be recruiting members to help with the verification of accounts? I don't have technical skills but I can offer investigative ones.

Tk808: That's a pretty good idea, I like that to have some sort of Council before we go to the community audit


do you have experience with other token/coin projects as dev or founder?

Tk808: Yes, I have a lot of experience. With leading projects, coins, and just being a general investor, airdrop recipient and etc.

Here, my company is now defunct (due to the 2014-15 btc crash), but here's the ANN phttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=572303.msg6238951#msg6238951
All the graphics and etc. are gone. but Coins Source, amity helped push crypto's into a positive direction.

That's probably my most major accomplishment on an individual level in Crypto. We launched with Source Coin, which was listed on Polo for a while and etc.
We had hundreds of articles on all the coins launching/launched at the time, we Verified developer's identity and gave them trust ratings (unheard of at the time), but prior no dev was releasing their identity. Shortly after, every dev was just releasing their identities on their own. We raised around 30 BTC at the time, worth about $25,000 and decreased dramatically (with btc crash). That was enough funds to sustain us for about 6 months, we generated quite a bit of revenue, but the crypto world wasn't quite ready for the idea/wasn't as big, ended up folding.(edited)
We verified around over 60+ Different coin's teams at the time: some major verification we did were: IOCoin, Blocknet, Magi, Crypti (renamed), Syscoin, Feathercoin... etc.(edited)


When will be the wallets ready ? or we will be using Nano wallet?

Tk808: Initially Nano wallet to hold your stakes. When Nevra's Mainnet launches, those stakes will be used to claim XEV's on the mainnet, with a new-wallet.





Yep, I think that really concludes our Q&A
I really want to thank everyone here for being involved, I really didn't think this would go so well haha.

I really just want Nevra's word to be spread as much as possible, and I can't do that alone. Like you are the ones who are going to make this coin a reality, and your efforts will not go unrealized, I promise you that

Thanks again everyone, have a wonderful day! I'll try compiling all the info here, and post it to BTT later today or tomorrow.


Very informative, thank you for this post ,the project is really interesting ,I will try to understand everything thoroughly , last year there was also a project on the platform of nem ,but somehow they did not work out, I hope that everything will be different, good luck to us ! Wink
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February 23, 2018, 07:51:28 AM
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I looked the airdrop! I started bitcointalk yesterday.I hope pass!!
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February 23, 2018, 08:20:50 AM
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Luck to find Nevra, i think XEV will be a great coin.   
I am one of nem original stakeholder. you can refer to
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.msg5190679#msg5190679
I feel very honor if i can be one of nevra stake holder too.
It seem that nevra has same gene as NEM,  base on community.
In my opinion we should allot more XEV to infrastructure support. 7% - 8,750,000 XEV is not engough. we need to pay xev on marketing, exchanges, pay xev to build nevra ecosystem, APP etc.

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February 23, 2018, 08:21:42 AM
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I looked the airdrop! I started bitcointalk yesterday.I hope pass!!

Hi mikipics29,

Have you read the main page? Try to contribute constructive posts to the ongoing discussions for the next months in here and hope you get merited and keep contributing to be selected.
   
How do i become a Nevrastake holder?
The only requirement is to contribute to the thread, with a well-rounded post (constructive, criticism, wanting to contribute and etc). It should be noted that merely saying "interested," "reserved" or anything along those lines will not be considered. We don't need a paragraph, but just a well-written thought process of 3-4 sentences, so this thread is not being spammed by new accounts. That's the only requirement to actually be a part of this. There is no google forum, no signatures, nothing at all that will require you to market on behalf of this coin.

Regarding the 125 mil supply, I voted yes on discord because I think it will be an incentive for new users, it's still a low total supply, if you compare it to the one of NEM, it's actually very low. I am most interested about developments in technology and how Nevra can bring something innovative to the table, that will require a strong team and a good amount of time to develop and test so this is a long term commitment we are looking at here.
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February 23, 2018, 08:37:55 AM
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Great picks in Q&A, I think that in some way is also important to look at privacy specs of the coin. I strongly believe that this feature will be a game changer for the coins with something really new in this application field.

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February 23, 2018, 08:46:45 AM
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Great picks in Q&A, I think that in some way is also important to look at privacy specs of the coin. I strongly believe that this feature will be a game changer for the coins with something really new in this application field.

Hi pinball_wizard,

I bed to disagree, I think privacy coins will be the hardest hit by regulators once they come to the market and would not advise not going down this path because of this. And if this coin will have anything to do with businesses, which I don't know yet, it's again not an option.
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February 23, 2018, 09:14:40 AM
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How to participate in airdrop? Cheesy

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How to participate in airdrop? Cheesy

Please refer to the FAQ in the first post of this thread.
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February 23, 2018, 11:41:20 AM
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Nevra Q&A
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Solid answers . I like that you decide to increase the supply of XEV's . This will make the further distribution much easier .
For the part of the distribution unfortunately there is no specific way to make sure that no one will take more than 1 stake . All the projects that distributed their coins with airdrop had that issue . A fair airdrop is impossible if the participants are unfair .  
Keep up the good work .


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TK, I think you should put the Q&A on the front page for maximum visibility
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February 23, 2018, 03:17:54 PM
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First chance I have had to get on here properly since the Q and A, got to say it was a very reassuring event and its great to see that the info from it has been shared on here as well. The confidence I have in this project, it's dev's and fellow community members is increasing more and more.

I have shared Nevra to a few places and will continue to do so, I encourage everyone else to do the same, there's going to be a lot of hard work ahead, for both community members and for the team, but this really does have great potential.
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February 23, 2018, 04:45:32 PM
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Reasons why Nevra will succeed?
This should probably be a posted as standalone thread, but I wanted to ensure maximum exposure to the Nevra Community  as the subject will make more sense to members that have been part of the project.
The Nevra project is based on the theory of equality, freedom and trust but what does that actually mean in the business world? And what applications could this model have in economics?  And are there any evidence pointing at the model success in comparison to the self-interest model? I took the liberty of conducting some research and stumbled on some good quality research thesis and book detailing the subject (sources will be listed on the bottom of this post). First I would like to point that equality and the principle of fairness is not by any means new and have been around for decades [the principle of fairness was originally formulate by hart in 1955, when a number of persons conduct any joint enterprise according to rules and thus restrict their liberty] Klosko George, 2004, the principle of fairness and political obligation. However the application of these principle in the cryptocurrency world is relatively new, and there are only a handful of projects that truly portrayed these principles in a successful manner, equality and fairness is very hard to achieve in modern society where a numerous of obstacles exist to hinder its true application and verification i.e. internet, privacy acts etc...  However one of the major factor standing in the way of true equality and fairness is that there are no solid guidelines to base it on [Questions concerning the fair distribution of burdens and benefits can be dauntingly complex. Such questions have both conceptual and substantive components… however, individuals’ conceptions of fair distribution differ greatly; “fairness” is an ‘essentially contested concept “it is unlikely that theorist will be able to present a single conception that would be acceptable to most people] Klosko George, 2004, the principle of fairness and political obligation. This should be ample proof of the enormous task the Nevra team have ahead and the countless efforts they will have to put down into ensuring true equality and fairness is applied. This is where the trust factor come to place, community members will have to trust on the team.
With that being said, why is the fairness model in the cryptocurrency is so innovative and why would it be successful? Well as you may know, most of the projects these days are based on a different model [most economic models are based on the self-interest hypothesis that assumes that all people are exclusively motivated by their material self-interest] Fehr and Schmidt, 2003 theories of fairness and reciprocity-evidence and economic Applications. Cough...cough: ICOs, however these models have proven less and less successful as evidence emerged showing that people are more interested in fairness and the well being of others [ in recent years experimental economist have gathered overwhelming evidence that systematically refutes the self-interest hypothesis and suggest that many people are strongly motivated by concerns for fairness and reciprocity] Fehr and Schmidt, 2003 theories of fairness and reciprocity-evidence and economic Applications.
My excitement for this project is immeasurable not for the material gain (although that plays a role) but for the principle and involvement that it requires from all participants, and I would strongly suggest who ever have time in their hand to read the resources listed and expand their knowledge on why Nevra is unique and could redefine the inherited principles of distribution and crypto projects management.
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https://books.google.com/books?id=ljm8QwYTIEsC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://web.mit.edu/14.193/www/WorldCongress-IEW-Version6Oct03.pdf
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February 23, 2018, 04:47:57 PM
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i am a true airdropping hunter, it is bestly seen from my twitter profile.

https://twitter.com/apexlunari

havin trouble finding out how to participate in this airdrop.-.--.
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February 23, 2018, 05:10:31 PM
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Thank you tk808 I'm not the only one that finds it difficult to be updated with the discord chat so it's nice to see the Q&A session here.
I like that the main focuses for the coins will be tps and scalability, as those two issues are affecting even the biggest blockchains out there. Main reasons why the mainstream still refuses to accept cryptocurrencies more broadly. I was also curious what was going to happen with undistributed stakes. Donation rounds might be a good idea, maybe they can be reserved for partnerships or stuff like that.

I also encourage everyone to dump if they want when markets open, this is a great way to get rid of short term profiters that could care less about the project, in a way, is like a 4th round, a final round of filtering people who care about the long term growth, and people who didn't. Bounty hunters do this all the time because they do not perceive the real value they have in their hands.
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I don't think many of us will dump, or at least those of us who are genuinely interested in Nevra in the long-term.
I do wonder what will happen to this community once XEV is listed on exchanges. Will we continue to work closely as a group here?

Thank you tk808 I'm not the only one that finds it difficult to be updated with the discord chat so it's nice to see the Q&A session here.
I like that the main focuses for the coins will be tps and scalability, as those two issues are affecting even the biggest blockchains out there. Main reasons why the mainstream still refuses to accept cryptocurrencies more broadly. I was also curious what was going to happen with undistributed stakes. Donation rounds might be a good idea, maybe they can be reserved for partnerships or stuff like that.

I also encourage everyone to dump if they want when markets open, this is a great way to get rid of short term profiters that could care less about the project, in a way, is like a 4th round, a final round of filtering people who care about the long term growth, and people who didn't. Bounty hunters do this all the time because they do not perceive the real value they have in their hands.

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February 23, 2018, 05:22:24 PM
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i am a true airdropping hunter, it is bestly seen from my twitter profile.

https://twitter.com/apexlunari

havin trouble finding out how to participate in this airdrop.-.--.

Be active participant, with

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February 23, 2018, 05:35:40 PM
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Sounds good. Will see hope will grow. Time is needed.In todays crypto coins is mess and transparency is really missing.
And on how many they have to be transparent? Not all people want that everyone could learn that he has bought or has sold.
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