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February 11, 2018, 01:47:20 PM
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1. Was curious to know why some of the local languages that already have their own boards, still have no dedicated "Moderator"?

a. Hrvatski (Croatian) - A bit of exception (due to how events folded)
b. 日本語 (Japanese) - Last created local board, through a request
c. 한국어 (Korean) - Also a bit of exception since "theymos posted this"
d. Skandinavisk

Even though for few of the above there's the cases of demotion, the question still applies (due to lack in moderation within these periods)...

2. Just to be clear, I'm not involved in any of the above local boards but was also wondering why having a "Moderator" in mind, isn't mandatory prior to creating a local language board (unlike for demand and etc...)?

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February 11, 2018, 11:58:30 PM
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My prediction that theymos so far didn't found users who would be capable and competent to be a mods of these boards. But it's good question - why not to try to find a mod before creating board.
Also, why some other boards don't have their dedicated mods? For example - Politics & Society (one of the worst boards nowadays) or Economics boards.

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February 12, 2018, 12:17:40 AM
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Politics & Society (one of the worst boards nowadays) or Economics boards.

No one would enter the jungle or even get close to it apparently. Too much drama and if a mod try to interfere they will eat him alive! A tactical nuke is required for that board..(same off-topic doesn't have a mod?)
For economics i believe i saw a mod there, i may be wrong or i may confused it with speculation.
Giving a chance to a selected mod for a limited period (kind of trial period) could be a temporary solution (no power - report directly to another mod)



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February 12, 2018, 12:30:27 AM
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It probably isn't a mandatory requirement, because in the cases where there has been demotion (I was unaware of these, just going off your OP) it would be unfair to delete the entire board; probably more work than reward, too, because the board will inevitably rise again in the future.

I can't say for sure, but it is probable that they pick moderators, in part, by how actively they participate and patrol that particular board. There would have to be a period of activity in order to determine who would fit the criteria and rise to the top, so naturally this leaves that board without a moderator until all of the criteria are able to be considered.

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February 12, 2018, 06:13:47 AM
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My prediction that theymos so far didn't found users who would be capable and competent to be a mods of these boards.
For 3 of the local boards I mentioned earlier, I didn't see a sign (that he was looking for one, unless I missed it) and for the other one, considering the time he created this thread, I find it hard to accept that there's no one to fit for those criteria.

For example - Politics & Society (one of the worst boards nowadays)
Basically it's "Off-topic Version 2".

Giving a chance to a selected mod for a limited period (kind of trial period) could be a temporary solution (no power - report directly to another mod)
Then there's no reason to promote someone since they will basically do what others do (directly reporting to a mod is similar to using the "Report to moderator" button).

It probably isn't a mandatory requirement, because in the cases where there has been demotion (I was unaware of these, just going off your OP) it would be unfair to delete the entire board; probably more work than reward, too, because the board will inevitably rise again in the future.
I wasn't going for deleting a local board due to lack of a moderator.

I can't say for sure, but it is probable that they pick moderators, in part, by how actively they participate and patrol that particular board.
I've noticed few of the promoted moderators, haven't been that active in participating on their own local language threads (those located in "Other languages/locations") prior to creation of their local language boards.

There would have to be a period of activity in order to determine who would fit the criteria and rise to the top, so naturally this leaves that board without a moderator until all of the criteria are able to be considered.
That's the issue. These things should be considered prior to creation of those local boards, not after. I'm sure there's a way to measure each user based on where they are (regardless of VPN usage and etc...), so they can be monitored prior to creation of these local boards.

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February 12, 2018, 06:33:46 AM
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I wasn't going for deleting a local board due to lack of a moderator.

I know you weren't, my mistake if it seemingly implied that you were, I was just trying to explain away one of the solutions that could be proposed. I guess that's a little irrelevant though, you're right.

I've noticed few of the promoted moderators, haven't been that active in participating on their own local language threads (those located in "Other languages/locations") prior to creation of their local language boards.

That's the issue. These things should be considered prior to creation of those local boards, not after. I'm sure there's a way to measure each user based on where they are (regardless of VPN usage and etc...), so they can be monitored prior to creation of these local boards.

These two paragraphs you've written go hand in hand in my opinion. There is no way of telling how active they will be in the local-board itself, regardless of their location; you cannot expect these moderators to start spending their forum time in a section they are unfamiliar or potentially uninterested in. You can measure many other things, but you cannot measure how they will perform within the local-board, until it has been created and that can be seen in action. There is no way around that, expect making moderators already in place that speak the language also moderators of these sections, but as you've pointed out this leads to inactive moderators in that local-board.

Some people may be over excited about the idea of it in the original language thread, but then the board might not turn out as they imagined and they become disinterested. It's also possible that some of them just wanted the create of having their name involved in a change on the forum; put their name in the credits, so to speak.

I cannot speak for the process of consideration, but I am sure that it begins well before the board is create and must be a continued consideration the entire life of that board, even once a good mod or two has been found.

I find it hard to accept that there's no one to fit for those criteria.

Me too, but we're not the big boss and we don't have the responsibility of the entire forum on our shoulders. I can't imagine I would be any better at making these decisions.

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February 12, 2018, 06:53:54 AM
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A combination of not really enough demand and/or nobody meeting the criteria for the local boards. Some local boards just aren't really active enough to command a local mod and if nobody is reporting posts in there then they likely don't deserve to be one anyway. The Chinese local board is in dire need of a new mod as the current one isn't very active at all and as such it is being massively abused by bots and farmers yet there's just nobody really reporting more than a few occasional posts in there right now.

As for the other English subs I've been saying for years that most of them - especially the big ones - should have their own dedicated mod. Some of the workload should be distributed to some of the more active existing mods but I think it's been long overdue since a user was promoted to staff as well (especially one of the most active reporters with several thousand good reports). I've been getting quite a few messages lately from users asking if they can be a mod of x sub or local board and my first thought or question is how many posts have you reported? Usually it's very little to zero. If you want to be a mod then put in the effort to show you're willing to help out and if staff think you'd be beneficial you may get asked, but I tend to think a lot of the people who ask to be mods these days do so just because they see it as just another easy source of bitcoin income.

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February 12, 2018, 02:40:04 PM
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-snip-
but I tend to think a lot of the people who ask to be mods these days do so just because they see it as just another easy source of bitcoin income.

Indeed.
Maybe i didn't formulate well my idea but giving a chance to temporary mod(s) in a specific section : candidature then choosing the best, giving him a relatively limited power that requires a second mod approval for let's say 1-3 months, if he succeed the mission then he can join the team else he can try later.
(ofc trial = $0)

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The trial is reporting a lot of posts. That's the best way of showing you're cut out for the job or are in fact needed. If you're reporting a lot over time then it's clear you would be beneficial as a staff member and I don't think we should pick people who just volunteer without having put in the time and effort because people likely want to do it for the wrong reasons.

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February 12, 2018, 10:55:07 PM
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Politics & Society (one of the worst boards nowadays) or Economics boards.

No one would enter the jungle or even get close to it apparently. Too much drama and if a mod try to interfere they will eat him alive!
I think you are right...
I still remember reading interesting discussions there year or two ago, but now as SFR10 it become Off-topic V2.


And it would be interesting to hear one thing - when someone report posts from that local board without dedicated mods, how mods handle with reports if they don't understand that language?

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