[WTS] RX580 1080Ti - Brand new

[looperjack]

Seller contacted me and claimed to have shipped my order. I’ll keep an eye on EMS tracking over the next few days and see what it says. Would have liked to have seen photos of product before shipment, so not 100% convinced yet, but time will tell

Don't be an unwitting accomplish by failing for the classic scam of vouching for the guy for a single legit order thereby making others trust the dude. Then after a big order from lots of people where lots of money is involved, he runs.

I've been in contact with other victims. Skype and the police are slow in their investigation thereby allowing him a window to scam more people, but if anybody needs proof then you can search for Cliff Chang Studio Upwork. His profile got banned for being a scammer, but thanks to a bug on their platform, if you search on mobile you'll be able to see his profile and see it's the same guy asking for a loan for his "business" on the forum. If he says he set his profile to private, that's BS because then why have mobile be public?

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[therealspidey]

OP has not replied on this thread for a couple days now.

Several direct questions have been asked with no answers ... red flags here

[quick1unc]

I’m not vouching for anything until I receive product. I have and will merely state the facts as I work through the transaction.

Also searching based on what you’ve posted yielded no info, so I can’t speak to the legitimacy of your claims.

[crypto_curious]

Update:

18/02/2018 I purchased GPU, seller confirmed receiving funds from me on PayPal
23/02/2018 Yesterday, order supposed to be shipped Friday
24/02/2018 Today, I messaged the seller where is my shipping number, waiting for answer.

[kebabman]

I got an EMS number today, tracking just says label created so it’s not actually shipped, but I’m remaining hopeful for now.

[looperjack]

If you used google you might not find it but here's search links on different search engines and it's the first link that comes up.

Duck Duck Go
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cliff+chang+studio+upwork&t=hf&ia=web

Bing
https://www.bing.com/search?q=cliff+chang+studio+upwork&pc=MOZI&form=MOZSBR

Yahoo (really long link so I'll hyper link it)
https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A2KLfR6zCJJaLtQARR1XNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjc2NjY3OQRfcgMyBGZyA3lmcC10BGdwcmlkA3BKeFQ0ZnRFU2JPaldmYk93bE82MUEEbl9yc2x0AzAEbl9zdWdnAzQEb3JpZ2luA3NlYXJjaC55YWhvby5jb20EcG9zAzAEcHFzdHIDBHBxc3RybAMwBHFzdHJsAzIyBHF1ZXJ5A2NsaWZmJTIwY2hhbmclMjBzdHVkaW8EdF9zdG1wAzE1MTk1MTk5MzQ-?p=cliff+chang+studio&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t&fp=1

[quick1unc]

What’s the point, none of that shows anything. It just shows his business on Taiwan, nothing that says he’s a scammer.

[looperjack]

Like I said, if you click on the profile link, you'll see it got removed because he got banned. Yet if you click the link on mobile, you'll see it it's a copy paste of his loan thread. The point is he's the same person selling you the graphics card. You don't have to believe me, but red flag are everywhere even if I didn't post anything.

[quick1unc]

Update:

18/02/2018 I purchased GPU, seller confirmed receiving funds from me on PayPal
23/02/2018 Yesterday, order supposed to be shipped Friday
24/02/2018 Today, I messaged the seller where is my shipping number, waiting for answer.

Did you receive tracking?

[bill gator]

I'd like to officially withdraw my interest in even knowing what price you'd say for motherboards. It seems to only make sense if I wait to even discuss anything, because at this point it seems as though there are many people that have placed orders. All I can do is wait to see how they turn out; a few people are claiming to have tracking numbers, but they have not shipped yet and were told they would ship Friday. I would say if there is no movement on the tracking number by Monday, and you have not heard from the seller a good reason why, then I personally would begin the dispute process; better sooner than later.

I hope I hear good outcomes, please everyone that has posted their orders publicly keep us updated or I am to assume that your orders are going well.

[Steamtyme]

I'd like to officially withdraw my interest in even knowing what price you'd say for motherboards. It seems to only make sense if I wait to even discuss anything, because at this point it seems as though there are many people that have placed orders. All I can do is wait to see how they turn out; a few people are claiming to have tracking numbers, but they have not shipped yet and were told they would ship Friday. I would say if there is no movement on the tracking number by Monday, and you have not heard from the seller a good reason why, then I personally would begin the dispute process; better sooner than later.

I hope I hear good outcomes, please everyone that has posted their orders publicly keep us updated or I am to assume that your orders are going well.

Story sounds pretty familiar. Glad I posted my experience; I hope it helped people stay on the right side of buyer protection.
With any luck everyone lost the same thing I did... time.

[kebabman]

Still no movement on the tracking number, it’s still in “label created” status. No replies to PMs or posts in this thread from the seller either. Starting to get a little nervous. What’s the risk of holding off on filing a PayPal dispute a couple more days? 

[kebabman]

What’s the risk of not doing so immediately? I’m not too familiar with PayPal scams, was under the impression you had 180 days buyer protection?  

[Steamtyme]

What’s the risk of not doing so immediately? I’m not too familiar with PayPal scams, was under the impression you had 180 days buyer protection?  

There is no risk in waiting a few days to file a claim.
You will only have an issue if you already made a mistake (paying in 2 payments for 1 item, send it via friends and family)
When I filled mine I was using it as a tool to force action on the sellers part. He responded within hours of the claim; then took offence ( even though the dispute/claim can be cancelled if he just fulfilled his end of the deal)

So all you are down to is losing time.

[looperjack]

Also, paypal is not an escrow. The longer you wait, the more time scammer has to run with the money. Paypal will refund you out of pocket, but the lost money helps the scammer make a living scamming more people.

[crypto_curious]

OP, can you provide picture of hardware or paid receipts for hardware, or EMS receipts? I need something to see that you shipped my hardware, otherwise I will fill PayPal claim to get my money back and I will leave negative feedback on your profile if that is going to be resolved as scam.

[bill gator]

What’s the risk of not doing so immediately? I’m not too familiar with PayPal scams, was under the impression you had 180 days buyer protection? 

As Steamtyme said, mostly time is what you will lose, but time is money and money/investments compound as time passes. Time is too costly to waste; as far as PayPal is concerned though, they are on the buyer's side, especially if multiple disputes arise simultaneously. There is no rush to file a dispute, and in fact PayPal would probably see a few extra days as generous on your behalf; this shows you were willing to give the "merchant" extra time to resolve any issues that may have arisen on their side.

If I had to guess, OP probably just wanted funds in their PayPal to attempt to withdraw ASAP so that it popped into their bank account. This way once thee disputes are settled, their PayPal will be negative, the buyer gets their funds back and OP has funds in their bank account. The outcome is that OP (assuming this is the case) will have more funds and the buyer will have less time. They even could've tried using their PayPal as a self-escrow to get the funds into another PayPal account, freezing/negative on the "escrow" account.

[obay]

Interesting, on the day I decided to order the motherboard, he refunded me.. However it takes 7 days for the refund to come through once you WITHDRAW into your bank account.

He had told me that he has not withdrawn the money, if he didn't withdraw the money why did paypal now say it's going to take 7 + days for a refund?

Fishy. Glad he refunded me anyways.

[anonymousminer]

What’s the risk of not doing so immediately? I’m not too familiar with PayPal scams, was under the impression you had 180 days buyer protection? 

There is no risk in waiting a few days to file a claim.
You will only have an issue if you already made a mistake (paying in 2 payments for 1 item, send it via friends and family)
When I filled mine I was using it as a tool to force action on the sellers part. He responded within hours of the claim; then took offence ( even though the dispute/claim can be cancelled if he just fulfilled his end of the deal)

So all you are down to is losing time.

That’s why I said file immediately.... force the hand of the person you are doing business with, especially if they have been unresponsive!  Just my $0.02

[kebabman]

What’s the risk of not doing so immediately? I’m not too familiar with PayPal scams, was under the impression you had 180 days buyer protection? 

There is no risk in waiting a few days to file a claim.
You will only have an issue if you already made a mistake (paying in 2 payments for 1 item, send it via friends and family)
When I filled mine I was using it as a tool to force action on the sellers part. He responded within hours of the claim; then took offence ( even though the dispute/claim can be cancelled if he just fulfilled his end of the deal)

So all you are down to is losing time.

That’s why I said file immediately.... force the hand of the person you are doing business with, especially if they have been unresponsive!  Just my $0.02

He just responded to me by PM saying he was picking up a delivery in a different city and would update the shipping information as soon as he got back. He also linked me some images of the GPUs in hand, but no forum username/date in the pictures, so they could be from anywhere.