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February 26, 2018, 09:27:48 PM
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you are all so inpatient ... he was writing that he get your money and then he place order with his supplier and it takes couple days for him to get cards. Dont stress so much, I will watch this drama and let's see Cheesy if I was ordering I would order 1GPU to see all OK later more. So he need time to withdraw send money to supplier wait for order and then he ships.... he don't have a stock sitting in home.
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February 26, 2018, 09:39:56 PM
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you are all so inpatient ... he was writing that he get your money and then he place order with his supplier and it takes couple days for him to get cards. Dont stress so much, I will watch this drama and let's see Cheesy if I was ordering I would order 1GPU to see all OK later more. So he need time to withdraw send money to supplier wait for order and then he ships.... he don't have a stock sitting in home.

It's not being impatient. It's not being naive and stupid. If you have different approach to business with complete strangers on anonymous international forum, than that's your problem.
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February 27, 2018, 12:57:15 PM
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Ok so still no movement, little to no response from the seller by PM, and no replies in this thread from him. I was really hoping this was legit but the red flags are becoming too hard to ignore, so guess I will have to file a PayPal dispute today if I don’t see movement on the tracking number. Sigh. Sad
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February 27, 2018, 07:27:16 PM
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Feedback left on scammers account. Will remove if this turned to be legit, which I doubt very much.
Also claim opened on PayPal:

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This item not received dispute has been escalated to a claim.

We requested additional information from the seller about this transaction.

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The seller has been asked to respond by 8 Mar 2018. Once we receive the information, we'll continue our review of this case.
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February 27, 2018, 09:11:08 PM
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OP has taken multiple orders from multiple users, nobody has seen their order shipped. I've left feedback on their profile and hopefully we can get a DT member to do the same. OP's last post was over 5-days ago, yet they were active on the forum yesterday. It is clear, in my opinion, they are avoiding this thread and trying to lead users on for a bit longer through PM. Multiple people have gotten the same run around story, about tracking numbers and what not, yet the seller is absurdly late on delivering what they are promising without explanation.

If anybody has yet to file a dispute I would highly encourage you to do so at this point.

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February 27, 2018, 09:19:44 PM
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OP has taken multiple orders from multiple users, nobody has seen their order shipped. I've left feedback on their profile and hopefully we can get a DT member to do the same. OP's last post was over 5-days ago, yet they were active on the forum yesterday. It is clear, in my opinion, they are avoiding this thread and trying to lead users on for a bit longer through PM. Multiple people have gotten the same run around story, about tracking numbers and what not, yet the seller is absurdly late on delivering what they are promising without explanation.

If anybody has yet to file a dispute I would highly encourage you to do so at this point.

I would tag him in a day or 2 but I need people to prove they have been ripped off.

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February 27, 2018, 09:23:42 PM
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I’m still waiting as well. I have an EMS tracking but whether it didn’t ship or it’s just EMS not tracking properly I don’t know yet. All I can do is wait a bit and see what happens. I already have paypal claim in and will cancel it if I receive cards.
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February 27, 2018, 09:24:33 PM
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I do love to see such vigilence here.. bummer. I wanted to buy.

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February 27, 2018, 09:49:32 PM
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I would tag him in a day or 2 but I need people to prove they have been ripped off.

Roger that Phil, I've begun a Scam Accusation thread against OP to either get the proof or resolve the issue.

Anyone that has placed an order, sent OP money, received tracking numbers or exchanging PMs with OP please contribute to the thread. We can get this user tagged, if we can prove that they are playing games and ripping you guys off through lies and deceit. I've laid the ground-work, I just need PM/Chat-Log contributions, maybe proof of payment if you're willing to provide that and the tracking number (again, if you're willing to provide that). Anything is helpful towards resolving this issue.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3034340

Go to this thread, share your story and evidence. I will take back everything I've said, lock the thread and do whatever else I can possible do if this turns out by some miracle to be legitimate. I appreciate Phil taking the conservative path and not immediately tagging this user, but at this point I am convinced they are a scammer.

I do love to see such vigilence here.. bummer. I wanted to buy.

I was in the same boat, but it's pretty common that a scammer's price will make you want to buy

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February 27, 2018, 10:15:49 PM
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I don't know the details of anyone's orders. I know with mine he did have a few offers/compromises that had the potential to void my PayPal protection at least in part.  

If you look back in his posts which is something I did he had one where he mentions to someone the scenario of running away with PayPal released funds before a claim is filed; but states he wouldn't do that.

The reason he did not make off with any money on my deal was the amount of money involved was held and not released by PayPal. I also did not mess around with his lack of communication, 3 days with nothing and bam filed a dispute.

Good luck to everyone I hope it was all done through PayPal or trusted escrow. He may have gotten some money if they did not hold all amounts on his account, but atleast the buyer would be protected.


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February 27, 2018, 10:26:58 PM
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So I spoke with the guy below via Skype who said he bought a rx 580 and received it. He said the seller messaged him directly after seeing his thread and he ended up buying an rx 580 and received it already. Take it with a grain of salt.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2853996.0
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February 27, 2018, 11:30:15 PM
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I would tag him in a day or 2 but I need people to prove they have been ripped off.

Roger that Phil, I've begun a Scam Accusation thread against OP to either get the proof or resolve the issue.

Anyone that has placed an order, sent OP money, received tracking numbers or exchanging PMs with OP please contribute to the thread. We can get this user tagged, if we can prove that they are playing games and ripping you guys off through lies and deceit. I've laid the ground-work, I just need PM/Chat-Log contributions, maybe proof of payment if you're willing to provide that and the tracking number (again, if you're willing to provide that). Anything is helpful towards resolving this issue.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3034340

Go to this thread, share your story and evidence. I will take back everything I've said, lock the thread and do whatever else I can possible do if this turns out by some miracle to be legitimate. I appreciate Phil taking the conservative path and not immediately tagging this user, but at this point I am convinced they are a scammer.

I do love to see such vigilence here.. bummer. I wanted to buy.

I was in the same boat, but it's pretty common that a scammer's price will make you want to buy

Post with evidence added to scam accusation thread.
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February 28, 2018, 01:21:55 AM
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Post with evidence added to scam accusation thread.

Thank you very much,  hopefully this will encourage more users to do the same. If this user is legitimate, I'm just looking for an explanation; if this user is scamming, which I believe to be the case, then I'd like to get this resolved to prevent anything more from happening.

So I spoke with the guy below via Skype who said he bought a rx 580 and received it. He said the seller messaged him directly after seeing his thread and he ended up buying an rx 580 and received it already. Take it with a grain of salt.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2853996.0

How did you come into contact with this user? I can't see anything that is linking this user and OP. Did they message you or did you message them first, and either way how did you know to do so? I'd like if we could gather our complaints/vouches in one place to sort this out.

I don't know the details of anyone's orders. I know with mine he did have a fee offers/compromises that had the potential to good my PayPal protection at least in part. 

If you look back in his posts which is something I did he had one where he mentions to someone the scenario of running away with PayPal released funds before a claim is filed; but states he wouldn't do that.

The reason he did not make off with any money on my deal was the amount of money involved was held and not released by PayPal. I also did not mess around with his lack of communication, 3 days with nothing and bam filed a dispute.

You should post your experience with proofs in the scam accusation thread, this would be very helpful in getting things rolling. His attempt at your funds is a very significant piece of the puzzle.

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February 28, 2018, 02:13:13 AM
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The OP’s partner has been speaking with me today as well as the OP himself. The OP made a quick vid of my cards but it didn’t prove they were shipped. Just showed the cards and an EMS label.

The partner directed me to the OP of that other thread via Skype. Upon talking to him he told me that he had paid for a card the first week of Feb and receive led it on the 26th. I asked the buyer if he came across the seller on bitcointalk and he said yes. Apparently he had a thread looking for a card and the seller contacted him and he ended up buying a rx 580 to be shipped to Canada. The buyer don’t have a link to his thread but gave me his username so I searched until I found his thread.

Like I said, take all of the above with a grain of salt. Nothing can be proved one way or another until something shows up. I too have opened a claim, if the cards show up then I’ll drop the claim. Seller seems to have access to cards at least from the time stamped photos he sent me at his stores with cards. Will keep this thread updated if anything changes.
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February 28, 2018, 02:18:41 AM
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https://imgur.com/a/bg23S
https://imgur.com/a/jjaCS

It was accompanied by a short vid of the cards with a paper timestamp with his name and mine.
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February 28, 2018, 11:05:30 AM
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Hi, everyone. I'm the OP's partner. This is going to be a long post to try to give you insight into what I know.

I have no history on the forum, so you'll have to ask quick1unc and kebabman to verify I'm the person they talked to on Skype after they filed their PayPal claims.

So if I were in your shoes, I'd want some peace about this situation, and OP is... well... he's bad at communicating. Consistently anyway. Which is bad. Not necessarily scammy, but it doesn't exactly inspire confidence. And my experience with him is that he's overly optimistic on delivery times, which has probably entered into this equation.

2 things I want to say before I give some history:

1. If this is a scam, I'm the mark and not you. Why? It's my PayPal account/balance at risk. If you're one of the 3 open orders that paid me and everything goes south, you're actually still in good shape from a transaction perspective. PayPal will refund you. Downside is PayPal is slow. Upside, you get your money back. So, we'll all see what happens and I'll be really sorry for all of us if this goes haywire.

2. Presently, I believe you'll get the cards, but based on the timeline from the one verified completed purchase with BCT user unc0nnected, it may take up to 3 weeks to arrive. (Ask quick1unc to verify he spoke with him on Skype. For what it's worth, I believe that transaction to be 100% legit. More about that toward the bottom.)

So let me back up and tell you what I know. Some of this will be unrelated to GPU cards, and my estimated dates might be a little off, but I want to give you context.

I've worked with kii552007_alt for about 8 months. Talked with him almost everyday. I know him by his English first name + Chinese last name. I've talked to him on Skype, both chat and face-to-face.

I first met him via UpWork around June 2017 where I ordered some anime style art from his anime/manga art studio. First a few small orders, then larger ones, then bigger multi-thousand dollar deals. All these bigger deals were direct - not via UpWork/PayPal or any escrow system. During all of these deals, he was incorrigibly honest. We agreed in advance on prices, deadlines, discounts, reimbursements, etc - and we always honored our agreements with each other down to a penny. Two times stand out as worth mentioning regarding his character when things didn't go well - once I wasn't satisfied with the quality of one of the pieces of artwork, and he personally paid a different artist to do a better version - basically delivering 2 things for the price of one. Another time we had a big deal paid upfront where he couldn't complete it, so he paid me back a huge chunk for the uncompleted portion. That was actually the conclusion of my art deal with the OP as I had hired an in-house artist at that point.

Around late January, I'd already been researching other current commercial trends like dropshipping or private labeling goods from China. OP approached me to ask if I'd have any interest in dropshipping GPUs. At this point the only thing I knew was: (1) the OP had proven himself trustworthy (2) GPU sales could be a good opportunity

So I took the risk of acting as a dropshipper for the OP for a few test orders for a fairly small margin.

The question you should ask is, "Why did you think OP would want you as a middleman when he could just sell direct?"

Based on our previously dealings, I knew there is an issue with PayPal and Taiwan.
https://www.paypal.com/tw/webapps/mpp/system-enhancement-faq?locale.x=en_TW

Since September 15, 2015, Taiwanese citizens can have a PayPal account in order to take international payments, BUT they can't use its balance to trade with people inside the country. So this presented a problem for OP. Buyers typically either want escrow or PayPal for protection, but he can't do escrow because he doesn't have capital, so that leaves PayPal. Distributors within Taiwan want cash. So how can he go from PayPal to TWD? He can't trade it for cash with anyone inside the country. But the other bigger problem is that PayPal will often hold the money Taiwanese receive seemingly at random for 10+ days, and from my experience attempting to use PayPal with OP, at a much higher percentage likelihood than citizens of other countries. (Although, admiteddly, that could be sample size n=1 issue.)

So by acting as a non-stocking retailer, I could take the payment as PayPal and send it to him in some other way. The end goal was to do a few orders this way to see how things went, then switch to a more traditional importer approach in which I'd buy inventory and sell from the US.

I sent 5 invoices for orders.
1 invoice was paid but was instantly withheld by PayPal, possibly because the buyer had an unconfirmed address, but I'm not sure. Rather than attempt to resolve this issue, I refunded them in full.
1 invoice never paid so I proactively cancelled the invoice.
3 invoices paid and I used those funds to pay OP to purchase cards and send them on (regardless of what happens next, they'll get their money back, but yes OP literally received that money)

By the time I sent invoices, OP had already been talking with at least 1 person and arranged a small order
The one happy buyer I know of is BCT user unc0nnected, who I also think is his first buyer. I've spoken with him on Skype. quick1unc has spoken with him. As much as anyone can ever know anything about a person, he seems legit, and his story checks out with screenshots I've seen from OP's phone of shipping notifications.
- He paid OP on Feb 5 for an RX580.
- OP says he managed to get the RX580 to the local post office on Feb 10, just before Chinese New Year
- OP gave unc0nnected the EMS number on the date it hit Customs on Feb 21. unc0nnected says the tracking number immediately worked on this date.
- unc0nnected received the package Feb 26 and is happy with it.

I think I saw someone have a question about receipts.
Google: "Uniform Invoice lottery"
In Taiwan, it seems to be, that businesses will sometimes give you a discount if you choose not to get a receipt, essentially helping them dodge sales tax. They've attempted to fight this problem by turning receipts into lottery tickets, but OP is obliging his suppliers by not taking the receipts.

The only thing I can think of now, is that there's hope in unc0nnected's story. There is a disconnect in Taiwan between the mailed date, and the date that the EMS number works. While a shipper could pay EMS extra to track both inside Taiwan and Internationally, my understanding is that OP arranged it so only the international portion of the trip would have tracking.

At best, it takes awhile to arrive.
At worst, you get your money back, and I'm screwed.

I'm in contact with OP as recently as a few hours ago.

Why isn't he talking on here?

According to him, he feels that his limited English is not helping with making people feel more safe about this transaction, and instead, simply adds fuel to making them distrust him more. And he feels like the proof will be when packages arrive in the mail and everyone is happy from his actions and not his words.

I have more to lose than anyone, but I think it will all check out in the end. We'll see soon enough.
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February 28, 2018, 01:27:58 PM
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So far all of this is useless evidence I could cook up with an hour of work.

Let's get pics with proof from a decently old account here, then I'll send you $$$.

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February 28, 2018, 01:32:47 PM
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Nothing you said holds any water.

Based on our previously dealings, I knew there is an issue with PayPal and Taiwan.
https://www.paypal.com/tw/webapps/mpp/system-enhancement-faq?locale.x=en_TW

Since September 15, 2015, Taiwanese citizens can have a PayPal account in order to take international payments, BUT they can't use its balance to trade with people inside the country. So this presented a problem for OP. Buyers typically either want escrow or PayPal for protection, but he can't do escrow because he doesn't have capital, so that leaves PayPal. Distributors within Taiwan want cash. So how can he go from PayPal to TWD? He can't trade it for cash with anyone inside the country. But the other bigger problem is that PayPal will often hold the money Taiwanese receive seemingly at random for 10+ days, and from my experience attempting to use PayPal with OP, at a much higher percentage likelihood than citizens of other countries. (Although, admiteddly, that could be sample size n=1 issue.)

What does that have to do with anything? I know many in Taiwan who use paypal, withdraw to their bank account, and get cash no problem. If OP has a problem then it's because paypal's algorithm suspects him of being a scammer and will hold the money.

So by acting as a non-stocking retailer, I could take the payment as PayPal and send it to him in some other way. The end goal was to do a few orders this way to see how things went, then switch to a more traditional importer approach in which I'd buy inventory and sell from the US.

Scammers use other people's account to do their dirty work. The fact he's used your account instead of his own should have raised a big red flag.

In Taiwan, it seems to be, that businesses will sometimes give you a discount if you choose not to get a receipt, essentially helping them dodge sales tax. They've attempted to fight this problem by turning receipts into lottery tickets, but OP is obliging his suppliers by not taking the receipts.

Again, what does that have to do with anything? Because other people are disobeying the law, he helps them with it? Everybody knows when dealing with online shipping and such, people want receipt, tracking, and any other info. Nothing but poor excuses.

According to him, he feels that his limited English is not helping with making people feel more safe about this transaction, and instead, simply adds fuel to making them distrust him more. And he feels like the proof will be when packages arrive in the mail and everyone is happy from his actions and not his words.

BULLSHIT!! Read any of his post and you'll see there's no problem with English. His upwork profile even had him as 1st in the English test while many other top translators are around the 95% range.

He's working the same scam he did on upwork before he got banned for scamming. Full fill small orders to seem legit, than run away with the big orders.
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February 28, 2018, 02:07:27 PM
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If I get a chance this evening I'll post what inhale to the accusation thread


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February 28, 2018, 02:29:37 PM
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Since you are OP's partner and are handling the funds and what not, then you should have no problem hopping into the Scam Accusation thread and posting proof of everything you are doing. Proof of payments, explanations, chat-logs with OP, anything that would be tangible as evidence or proof of legitimacy.

OP must realize that by not responding within their own sales thread, which they were doing fine right up until orders started being placed then they are not going to have a successful transaction or long-term business. Refusing to respond to customers that have paid you and haven't received a package or valid tracking number is only going to result in lost time and refunds.

ATRD, Steamtyme, looperjack and anyone else involved should say their piece in the Accusation thread. OP's English is fine, the excuses are getting more and more ridiculous and desperate. We really need to see some packages, valid shipping numbers and better customer service response if you want any chance of this taking off.

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