[2018-02-12]Bitmain To Release Ethereum ASIC Miner F3 With 72Gb DDR3 Dram In Q2

[MA3A]

Just another 5 cents...
If say, todays 6 gpu rigs push out 250-350MHs, then with VEGA's this limit is higher and already climbs to 400MHs if not more, then comes March of 2018 and NVIDIA rolls out their 20xx GPU with capability of pushing 100MHs from one PGU, having 6 GPU rig pushing 600MHs is dam close to rumorish 650MHs, the only difference would be power this rig consumes vs the power this ASIC will consume...  IT WILL ALL COME TO _ROI_ at the end.

P.S. usage of DDR3 or GDD3 still leaves me wonder...

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[Agozyen]

DMM Japan most likely have it already ...
and they are test running it in their farms.

F3 specs..
650MH/s  @  750Watts

 

 If true this will be huge, for a while at least.  I pointed my rigs away from Eth a couple months back.  Hopefully there won't be enough of these to force GPU's into other coins.

[DavidC1]

Just another 5 cents...
If say, todays 6 gpu rigs push out 250-350MHs, then with VEGA's this limit is higher and already climbs to 400MHs if not more, then comes March of 2018 and NVIDIA rolls out their 20xx GPU with capability of pushing 100MHs from one PGU, having 6 GPU rig pushing 600MHs is dam close to rumorish 650MHs, the only difference would be power this rig consumes vs the power this ASIC will consume...  IT WILL ALL COME TO _ROI_ at the end.

That won't work.

25MH/s require 200GB/s. 100MH/s requires 800GB/s.

You need 4 HBM2 memory dies running at 800MHz to do this. The only cards capable of being in the ballpark are the Volta based Tesla GV100 and the Titan V costing $3000. HBM2 memory has been cited as the reason for the pricing being so high. You won't get mainstream cards getting that much anytime soon.

350MH/s from a 6 GPU rig requires close to 60MH/s. Vega 64 gets ~40MH/s. RX 470/480/570/580 cards get ~30MHz, if you crank them to the max. Again you need Titan V costing $3000, or GV100 at $10K+.

[GrassBite]

Just another 5 cents...
If say, todays 6 gpu rigs push out 250-350MHs, then with VEGA's this limit is higher and already climbs to 400MHs if not more, then comes March of 2018 and NVIDIA rolls out their 20xx GPU with capability of pushing 100MHs from one PGU, having 6 GPU rig pushing 600MHs is dam close to rumorish 650MHs, the only difference would be power this rig consumes vs the power this ASIC will consume...  IT WILL ALL COME TO _ROI_ at the end.

P.S. usage of DDR3 or GDD3 still leaves me wonder...

Huh?  6 vegas = $6000 rig and only 264 MH.

No consumer card is going to push out 100MH in the next 3 years.  The 1060 is how much faster than the previous gen?  If the 20xx does 50MH, I will be shocked.

[wtfonly16]

nvidia is unveiling new tech called turing, along side volta and amper (ampel). turing is specially designed for mining. no graphics capability at all... not like gimped p106 or p104.
this will be the first true asic from a gpu manufactuer, and not some already gaming chip with bios mod and stripped down video connectors. mind you its still a gpu, but all of its power is focused on cuda/opencl

[shaninium]

Anyone doubting this new eth asic just need to look at the past, noone thought bitmain would build an x11 asic miner and now a siacoin miner. If it makes them money why wouldnt they do it. If it happens it wont be cheap but, They will prob price it around the cost of a similar hashrate in gpus. The benefit of buying this asic will be in the efficiency. I wouldnt be building a rig now if this turns out to be true. If i had too it definitely wouldnt be an amd. The new smaller process on gpu s are just around the corner too which doesnt help. ROI is long  too compared to the recent past  , no thanks to current gpu prices.

[wtfonly16]

Just another 5 cents...
If say, todays 6 gpu rigs push out 250-350MHs, then with VEGA's this limit is higher and already climbs to 400MHs if not more, then comes March of 2018 and NVIDIA rolls out their 20xx GPU with capability of pushing 100MHs from one PGU, having 6 GPU rig pushing 600MHs is dam close to rumorish 650MHs, the only difference would be power this rig consumes vs the power this ASIC will consume...  IT WILL ALL COME TO _ROI_ at the end.

That won't work.

25MH/s require 200GB/s. 100MH/s requires 800GB/s.

You need 4 HBM2 memory dies running at 800MHz to do this. The only cards capable of being in the ballpark are the Volta based Tesla GV100 and the Titan V costing $3000. HBM2 memory has been cited as the reason for the pricing being so high. You won't get mainstream cards getting that much anytime soon.

350MH/s from a 6 GPU rig requires close to 60MH/s. Vega 64 gets ~40MH/s. RX 470/480/570/580 cards get ~30MHz, if you crank them to the max. Again you need Titan V costing $3000, or GV100 at $10K+.

hbm is dead lol, outclassed and outpriced by gddr6 now. samsung started production.

[stash2coin]

Making and selling ethhash algo ASIC make sense, ethereum is stable currency and the price will go up like all we know. Also with such an ASIC one can mine not only eth but a bunch of other cryptos which alone make huge sense of such ASIC. The good news for GPU miners is that Bitmain doesnt have huge manufacturing capabilities so it cant satisfy the demand if they start sell such ASIC machine and will take time to take over the GPUs.

[MA3A]

Also, why ETH will have to battle ASIC?  - just for the sake of gpu mining? i dont think so, from at least one point of a view, if etherium network has contracts/dapps running on it, more total hash it gets the better it gets...extra hash power wont hurt it AFAIS

[does]

still no one answer why so much ram?

[adaseb]

still no one answer why so much ram?

I am guessing it's because it will be mostly a parallel application of some sort.

Multiple asics so needs lots of ram

[wheelz1200]

All articles I've found state around 200-220MH/s for $2500-3000.  So even if they're correct (despite having zero sources), this doesn't sound like some 'GPU-killer'.   You could easily build a 200-220MH/s rig for that price if GPUs were at their original retail cost, and the rig you build will be able to do much more than Ethash and have more resell value.  So if the articles are correct, I welcome this new ASIC.  Maybe it will help ease the GPU crisis.

Thing is though, eth difficulty rise has been held back because of the low availability of GPU's. These things would provide an alternative source of hardware and the difficulty would climb way faster.

This.  If bitmain pulls this off you know they will flood the market and everyone will be buying because well they buy everything bitmain spits out.  Will be an interesting year to watch this and the new gpus come out.  Still mining away in the meantime

[wheelz1200]

I though that developing Ethereum ASIC would be unprofitable because of their plans to switch to PoS, but it seems like Bitmain has calculated otherwise. Maybe it will be usable to mine other coins with the same algorithm. But since it won't be able to mine all GPU algorithms, GPU mining will still be around for a long time, so if this ASIC will take over ETH mining, current ETH miners will just switch to other coins.

The ETH PoW is designed to be ASIC resistant. So if there is an ASIC, it will change the algorithm.

Yes ASIC *resistant* not ASIC *proof*. What do you mean change the algorithm?

I think he means they would fork ysing a new algo for pow.  That is not what asic resistant is though.  I have no knowledge of what the eth team would and wouldnt do but dont know if theyd fork into another algo

[newmz]

My $0.05

Surely this will just push the ETH devs to actually get around to rolling out POS?

Then the hash-rate currently pointed at the ETH network will migrate to all the other many dagger/hashimoto coins - like eth classic, Pirl, Ubiq, expanse, etc, etc.

Which means the prices of all those other coins will drop due to miners who just dump/trade to BTC every day and the ETH price will start on a steady climb....

if they get the whole POS thing right of course.

[moonstruck]

I'll be interested to see if they can actually deliver.

[treanski]

My $0.05

Surely this will just push the ETH devs to actually get around to rolling out POS?

Then the hash-rate currently pointed at the ETH network will migrate to all the other many dagger/hashimoto coins - like eth classic, Pirl, Ubiq, expanse, etc, etc.

Which means the prices of all those other coins will drop due to miners who just dump/trade to BTC every day and the ETH price will start on a steady climb....

if they get the whole POS thing right of course.

The problem is not Ethereum, the problem is that 90% of the gpu's in the world that are mining, are mining ETH. When that stops being a thing they'll direct their attention elsewhere. Also algo's that run better on NVidia are no better of if the competition pays $0,01/kWh.

Given that they would need in the range of 400k of these asics to double the current nethash, and that they would fit 5000 asic dies on a 300 mm wafer, they can quickly dominate the market even dedicating 30% of current production-capacity to Ethereum, it would only take in the order of 3000 silicon wafers to make GPU's completely obsolete, which is what they are currently turning over per month.

It might be that they can only fit for example 2500 dies on a wafer, it would still have the same outcome; obsolescence for GPU's on ethereum.

i did some quick maths

ethash for example

1th ethash= 1000000mh = 33333 gpus 470/480/570/580 = 30mhs/gpu
33333gpus *0,9khs cryptonight = 30000khs = 30mhs cryptonight
214th(current eth nethash) * 30mhs(cryptonight) = 6420mhs cryptonight

that could be the impact if they all switch to cryptonight, monero has now ~750mhs and other cryptonight coin 0-50mhs

but there are alot of other coins/algos/new coins in future...so if the hashrate split a little bit here and there...some coins grows in value...it should be not bad at all

[wheelz1200]

My $0.05

Surely this will just push the ETH devs to actually get around to rolling out POS?

Then the hash-rate currently pointed at the ETH network will migrate to all the other many dagger/hashimoto coins - like eth classic, Pirl, Ubiq, expanse, etc, etc.

Which means the prices of all those other coins will drop due to miners who just dump/trade to BTC every day and the ETH price will start on a steady climb....

if they get the whole POS thing right of course.

They wont push anything just because of asics it needs to be done right, and just because something uses pos doesnt mean it just makes the price climb.  There is not one or 2 reasons pruce goes up or down there is an entire market force behind that as well. 

[philipma1957]

My $0.05

Surely this will just push the ETH devs to actually get around to rolling out POS?

Then the hash-rate currently pointed at the ETH network will migrate to all the other many dagger/hashimoto coins - like eth classic, Pirl, Ubiq, expanse, etc, etc.

Which means the prices of all those other coins will drop due to miners who just dump/trade to BTC every day and the ETH price will start on a steady climb....

if they get the whole POS thing right of course.

They wont push anything just because of asics it needs to be done right, and just because something uses pos doesnt mean it just makes the price climb.  There is not one or 2 reasons pruce goes up or down there is an entire market force behind that as well. 

POS  = piece of shit

simply wont work  basically  it is  interest on a bond or in a bank account.

So If I get 3% on a USA bond now

https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/interest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=yieldYear&year=2013



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02/04/13   0.03   0.07   0.11   0.15   0.25   0.38   0.85   1.36   2.00   2.79   3.17
02/05/13   0.06   0.07   0.11   0.15   0.27   0.41   0.88   1.39   2.04   2.83   3.21
02/06/13   0.06   0.07   0.12   0.15   0.27   0.39   0.84   1.35   2.00   2.79   3.18
02/07/13   0.03   0.07   0.11   0.15   0.25   0.39   0.83   1.34   1.99   2.78   3.17
02/08/13   0.03   0.07   0.11   0.14   0.25   0.39   0.84   1.34   1.99   2.79   3.17
02/11/13   0.05   0.09   0.12   0.15   0.27   0.40   0.85   1.35   1.99   2.78   3.16
02/12/13   0.08   0.09   0.12   0.14   0.29   0.41   0.88   1.38   2.02   2.81   3.19
02/13/13   0.09   0.10   0.12   0.15   0.29   0.44   0.92   1.43   2.05   2.86   3.23
02/14/13   0.10   0.11   0.13   0.16   0.27   0.42   0.86   1.37   2.00   2.79   3.17
02/15/13   0.09   0.10   0.13   0.17   0.29   0.42   0.87   1.38   2.01   2.80   3.18
02/19/13   0.09   0.12   0.13   0.17   0.29   0.44   0.89   1.41   2.03   2.83   3.21
02/20/13   0.12   0.12   0.13   0.17   0.27   0.42   0.88   1.38   2.02   2.82   3.20
02/21/13   0.12   0.13   0.13   0.16   0.26   0.40   0.86   1.36   1.99   2.79   3.17
02/22/13   0.11   0.13   0.14   0.16   0.27   0.40   0.84   1.34   1.97   2.77   3.15
02/25/13   0.09   0.12   0.14   0.16   0.25   0.37   0.78   1.25   1.88   2.69   3.08
02/26/13   0.11   0.14   0.14   0.17   0.25   0.37   0.78   1.25   1.88   2.69   3.08
02/27/13   0.11   0.11   0.13   0.17   0.27   0.36   0.78   1.28   1.91   2.72   3.11
02/28/13   0.07   0.11   0.13   0.17   0.25   0.36   0.77   1.26   1.89   2.71   3.10
03/01/13   0.07   0.11   0.12   0.16   0.25   0.35   0.75   1.23   1.86   2.68   3.06
03/04/13   0.07   0.11   0.12   0.16   0.24   0.35   0.76   1.25   1.88   2.70   3.08
03/05/13   0.09   0.08   0.12   0.15   0.25   0.36   0.77   1.27   1.90   2.72   3.10
03/06/13   0.09   0.10   0.12   0.15   0.25   0.38   0.81   1.31   1.95   2.77   3.15
03/07/13   0.10   0.10   0.11   0.15   0.25   0.40   0.85   1.36   2.00   2.82   3.20
03/08/13   0.09   0.10   0.11   0.15   0.27   0.42   0.90   1.43   2.06   2.89   3.25
03/11/13   0.09   0.10   0.12   0.15   0.27   0.43   0.90   1.43   2.07   2.89   3.26
03/12/13   0.10   0.10   0.12   0.15   0.27   0.41   0.88   1.40   2.03   2.85   3.22
03/13/13   0.09   0.09   0.12   0.15   0.27   0.42   0.89   1.41   2.04   2.85   3.22
03/14/13   0.08   0.10   0.12   0.15   0.27   0.42   0.88   1.40   2.04   2.87   3.25
03/15/13   0.07   0.09   0.11   0.14   0.25   0.40   0.84   1.35   2.01   2.85   3.22
03/18/13   0.07   0.07   0.11   0.15   0.26   0.38   0.81   1.31   1.96   2.79   3.18
03/19/13   0.08   0.07   0.11   0.15   0.24   0.37   0.79   1.28   1.92   2.75   3.13
03/20/13   0.08   0.07   0.11   0.15   0.26   0.38   0.81   1.32   1.96   2.80   3.19
03/21/13   0.08   0.07   0.11   0.14   0.27   0.38   0.81   1.30   1.95   2.77   3.15
03/22/13   0.07   0.07   0.11   0.14   0.26   0.39   0.80   1.29   1.93   2.75   3.13
03/25/13   0.06   0.08   0.11   0.14   0.24   0.38   0.80   1.28   1.93   2.76   3.14
03/26/13   0.08   0.07   0.11   0.14   0.25   0.38   0.79   1.27   1.92   2.75   3.13
03/27/13   0.06   0.09   0.12   0.14   0.25   0.36   0.76   1.22   1.87   2.71   3.09
03/28/13   0.04   0.07   0.11   0.14   0.25   0.36   0.77   1.24   1.87   2.71   3.10
04/01/13   0.06   0.08   0.11   0.14   0.23   0.36   0.76   1.23   1.86   2.70   3.08
04/02/13   0.06   0.07   0.11   0.14   0.25   0.36   0.78   1.26   1.88   2.72   3.10
04/03/13   0.06   0.06   0.10   0.13   0.24   0.34   0.73   1.20   1.83   2.66   3.05
04/04/13   0.07   0.07   0.10   0.13   0.22   0.33   0.69   1.15   1.78   2.60   2.99
04/05/13   0.05   0.07   0.10   0.13   0.24   0.33   0.68   1.12   1.72   2.50   2.87
04/08/13   0.05   0.07   0.10   0.13   0.24   0.34   0.71   1.15   1.76   2.54   2.91
04/09/13   0.06   0.06   0.10   0.13   0.24   0.34   0.70   1.16   1.78   2.57   2.94
04/10/13   0.07   0.07   0.10   0.12   0.24   0.36   0.74   1.21   1.84   2.63   3.01
04/11/13   0.06   0.07   0.10   0.12   0.24   0.35   0.74   1.20   1.82   2.62   3.01
04/12/13   0.05   0.06   0.09   0.11   0.22   0.33   0.70   1.14   1.75   2.54   2.92
04/15/13   0.04   0.06   0.09   0.12   0.22   0.32   0.69   1.12   1.72   2.50   2.88
04/16/13   0.06   0.06   0.09   0.13   0.24   0.33   0.71   1.15   1.75   2.53   2.91
04/17/13   0.05   0.06   0.09   0.13   0.24   0.35   0.71   1.13   1.73   2.51   2.89
04/18/13   0.03   0.05   0.09   0.12   0.24   0.35   0.71   1.13   1.72   2.49   2.87
04/19/13   0.04   0.05   0.09   0.12   0.24   0.35   0.72   1.14   1.73   2.50   2.88
04/22/13   0.04   0.05   0.09   0.12   0.24   0.35   0.70   1.13   1.72   2.50   2.88
04/23/13   0.04   0.05   0.09   0.12   0.23   0.35   0.71   1.14   1.74   2.52   2.90
04/24/13   0.05   0.06   0.09   0.13   0.23   0.34   0.70   1.13   1.73   2.50   2.89
04/25/13   0.04   0.05   0.08   0.12   0.23   0.35   0.71   1.15   1.74   2.52   2.91
04/26/13   0.04   0.05   0.09   0.12   0.22   0.32   0.68   1.10   1.70   2.47   2.87
04/29/13   0.03   0.05   0.08   0.12   0.20   0.32   0.68   1.10   1.70   2.49   2.88
04/30/13   0.03   0.05   0.09   0.11   0.22   0.32   0.68   1.11   1.70   2.49   2.88
05/01/13   0.03   0.06   0.08   0.11   0.20   0.30   0.65   1.07   1.66   2.44   2.83
05/02/13   0.02   0.05   0.08   0.11   0.20   0.30   0.65   1.07   1.66   2.44   2.82
05/03/13   0.02   0.05   0.08   0.11   0.22   0.34   0.73   1.17   1.78   2.58   2.96
05/06/13   0.01   0.04   0.08   0.11   0.22   0.34   0.74   1.19   1.80   2.60   2.98
05/07/13   0.01   0.04   0.08   0.10   0.22   0.35   0.75   1.21   1.82   2.62   3.00
05/08/13   0.01   0.04   0.08   0.11   0.22   0.35   0.75   1.20   1.81   2.61   2.99
05/09/13   0.02   0.04   0.08   0.11   0.22   0.35   0.75   1.20   1.81   2.60   3.01
05/10/13   0.02   0.04   0.08   0.11   0.26   0.38   0.82   1.28   1.90   2.70   3.10
05/13/13   0.02   0.05   0.08   0.13   0.24   0.40   0.83   1.30   1.92   2.73   3.13
05/14/13   0.01   0.05   0.09   0.12   0.26   0.41   0.85   1.33   1.96   2.77   3.17
05/15/13   0.01   0.04   0.09   0.12   0.26   0.40   0.84   1.32   1.94   2.76   3.16
05/16/13   0.00   0.03   0.08   0.12   0.23   0.37   0.79   1.25   1.87   2.69   3.09
05/17/13   0.01   0.04   0.08   0.12   0.26   0.40   0.84   1.32   1.95   2.77   3.17
05/20/13   0.01   0.05   0.09   0.12   0.26   0.40   0.85   1.33   1.97   2.79   3.18
05/21/13   0.04   0.04   0.09   0.12   0.26   0.39   0.84   1.31   1.94   2.75   3.14
05/22/13   0.04   0.04   0.08   0.11   0.26   0.41   0.91   1.40   2.03   2.83   3.21
05/23/13   0.03   0.05   0.08   0.12   0.26   0.42   0.91   1.40   2.02   2.82   3.20
05/24/13   0.03   0.04   0.07   0.12   0.26   0.41   0.90   1.39   2.01   2.80   3.18
05/28/13   0.02   0.05   0.09   0.13   0.29   0.49   1.02   1.53   2.15   2.95   3.31
05/29/13   0.04   0.05   0.08   0.14   0.30   0.49   1.02   1.51   2.13   2.91   3.27
05/30/13   0.02   0.04   0.07   0.13   0.31   0.49   1.01   1.51   2.13   2.92   3.28
05/31/13   0.03   0.04   0.07   0.14   0.30   0.52   1.05   1.55   2.16   2.95   3.30
06/03/13   0.03   0.05   0.08   0.14   0.30   0.50   1.03   1.53   2.13   2.92   3.27
06/04/13   0.05   0.04   0.08   0.14   0.32   0.48   1.05   1.55   2.14   2.95   3.30
06/05/13   0.04   0.05   0.08   0.14   0.30   0.48   1.02   1.52   2.10   2.90   3.25
06/06/13   0.04   0.05   0.08   0.14   0.30   0.48   1.01   1.49   2.08   2.89   3.23
06/07/13   0.04   0.04   0.07   0.14   0.32   0.52   1.10   1.59   2.17   2.98   3.33
06/10/13   0.04   0.05   0.08   0.14   0.32   0.55   1.13   1.62   2.22   3.03   3.36
06/11/13   0.05   0.05   0.08   0.14   0.34   0.57   1.12   1.61   2.20   3.00   3.33
06/12/13   0.04   0.05   0.08   0.14   0.34   0.57   1.15   1.64   2.25   3.04   3.37
06/13/13   0.04   0.05   0.08   0.14   0.32   0.55   1.11   1.60   2.19   2.99   3.33
06/14/13   0.04   0.05   0.08   0.13   0.29   0.49   1.04   1.53   2.14   2.95   3.28
06/17/13   0.05   0.05   0.08   0.13   0.27   0.49   1.06   1.57   2.19   3.01   3.35
06/18/13   0.04   0.05   0.08   0.13   0.27   0.48   1.07   1.58   2.20   3.00   3.34
06/19/13   0.04   0.05   0.08   0.13   0.31   0.58   1.24   1.76   2.33   3.09   3.41
06/20/13   0.03   0.05   0.09   0.14   0.33   0.62   1.31   1.84   2.41   3.18   3.49
06/21/13   0.02   0.05   0.09   0.13   0.38   0.70   1.42   1.95   2.52   3.26   3.56
06/24/13   0.01   0.06   0.11   0.16   0.42   0.73   1.48   2.02   2.57   3.27   3.56
06/25/13   0.03   0.06   0.11   0.17   0.43   0.74   1.49   2.03   2.60   3.31   3.60
06/26/13   0.02   0.06   0.11   0.16   0.39   0.69   1.45   1.98   2.55   3.27   3.58
06/27/13   0.02   0.06   0.11   0.15   0.36   0.66   1.38   1.91   2.49   3.22   3.54
06/28/13   0.02   0.04   0.10   0.15   0.36   0.66   1.41   1.96   2.52   3.22   3.52
07/01/13   0.01   0.04   0.09   0.15   0.34   0.65   1.39   1.93   2.50   3.19   3.48
07/02/13   0.02   0.03   0.08   0.14   0.34   0.64   1.38   1.92   2.48   3.18   3.47
07/03/13   0.03   0.05   0.08   0.14   0.36   0.67   1.42   1.97   2.52   3.22   3.49
07/05/13   0.03   0.04   0.08   0.15   0.40   0.77   1.60   2.19   2.73   3.41   3.68
07/08/13   0.02   0.05   0.07   0.14   0.37   0.71   1.51   2.11   2.65   3.35   3.63
07/09/13   0.04   0.04   0.08   0.14   0.37   0.71   1.50   2.08   2.65   3.36   3.64
07/10/13   0.03   0.04   0.08   0.13   0.38   0.73   1.54   2.12   2.70   3.40   3.68
07/11/13   0.02   0.04   0.07   0.13   0.34   0.65   1.40   1.99   2.60   3.33   3.64
07/12/13   0.02   0.04   0.07   0.12   0.37   0.66   1.43   2.00   2.61   3.34   3.64
07/15/13   0.02   0.04   0.07   0.11   0.34   0.66   1.40   1.97   2.57   3.30   3.61
07/16/13   0.02   0.03   0.07   0.10   0.34   0.64   1.38   1.95   2.55   3.28   3.58
07/17/13   0.02   0.03   0.08   0.11   0.32   0.60   1.33   1.91   2.52   3.27   3.57
07/18/13   0.01   0.03   0.07   0.11   0.32   0.61   1.35   1.95   2.56   3.32   3.63
07/19/13   0.01   0.03   0.07   0.11   0.32   0.59   1.31   1.90   2.50   3.25   3.56
07/22/13   0.01   0.04   0.07   0.10   0.32   0.59   1.32   1.90   2.50   3.25   3.55
07/23/13   0.02   0.02   0.07   0.12   0.33   0.60   1.33   1.92   2.53   3.27   3.58
07/24/13   0.02   0.03   0.07   0.12   0.34   0.64   1.40   2.00   2.61   3.34   3.65
07/25/13   0.02   0.02   0.06   0.12   0.32   0.62   1.38   2.00   2.61   3.34   3.65
07/26/13   0.02   0.03   0.07   0.11   0.31   0.59   1.36   1.98   2.58   3.31   3.61
07/29/13   0.01   0.03   0.07   0.11   0.33   0.61   1.37   2.00   2.61   3.35   3.66
07/30/13   0.03   0.04   0.07   0.11   0.33   0.62   1.39   2.02   2.63   3.36   3.67
07/31/13   0.03   0.04   0.08   0.11   0.31   0.61   1.38   2.00   2.60   3.34   3.64
08/01/13   0.02   0.04   0.08   0.13   0.35   0.65   1.49   2.15   2.74   3.48   3.77
08/02/13   0.02   0.04   0.07   0.11   0.30   0.59   1.36   2.01   2.63   3.39   3.69
08/05/13   0.03   0.05   0.08   0.12   0.32   0.61   1.39   2.04   2.67   3.42   3.73
08/06/13   0.05   0.04   0.08   0.12   0.32   0.62   1.39   2.04   2.67   3.42   3.73
08/07/13   0.05   0.05   0.08   0.12   0.32   0.61   1.38   2.00   2.61   3.37   3.68
08/08/13   0.05   0.05   0.07   0.12   0.30   0.61   1.36   1.98   2.58   3.37   3.65
08/09/13   0.05   0.05   0.07   0.11   0.32   0.61   1.36   1.98   2.57   3.36   3.63
08/12/13   0.05   0.06   0.08   0.12   0.32   0.62   1.39   2.01   2.61   3.39   3.67
08/13/13   0.06   0.06   0.08   0.12   0.34   0.68   1.49   2.13   2.71   3.48   3.75
08/14/13   0.06   0.05   0.07   0.12   0.34   0.67   1.48   2.12   2.71   3.48   3.75
08/15/13   0.05   0.05   0.08   0.13   0.36   0.70   1.54   2.18   2.77   3.54   3.81
08/16/13   0.05   0.05   0.08   0.13   0.36   0.73   1.60   2.25   2.84   3.61   3.86
08/19/13   0.03   0.06   0.08   0.13   0.36   0.76   1.63   2.29   2.88   3.64   3.89
08/20/13   0.03   0.04   0.07   0.13   0.36   0.73   1.57   2.22   2.82   3.59   3.86
08/21/13   0.02   0.04   0.07   0.14   0.38   0.76   1.64   2.30   2.87   3.64   3.90
08/22/13   0.01   0.03   0.06   0.14   0.42   0.82   1.71   2.34   2.90   3.63   3.88
08/23/13   0.02   0.03   0.06   0.14   0.40   0.80   1.66   2.27   2.82   3.55   3.80
08/26/13   0.03   0.04   0.07   0.13   0.41   0.79   1.61   2.23   2.79   3.52   3.77
08/27/13   0.04   0.05   0.07   0.12   0.38   0.77   1.56   2.15   2.72   3.45   3.70
08/28/13   0.04   0.03   0.07   0.14   0.40   0.79   1.62   2.22   2.78   3.50   3.75
08/29/13   0.03   0.02   0.06   0.14   0.39   0.79   1.60   2.20   2.75   3.45   3.70
08/30/13   0.02   0.03   0.05   0.13   0.39   0.79   1.62   2.24   2.78   3.46   3.70
09/03/13   0.03   0.02   0.05   0.14   0.43   0.83   1.68   2.31   2.86   3.54   3.79
09/04/13   0.02   0.02   0.05   0.14   0.46   0.89   1.74   2.36   2.90   3.56   3.80
09/05/13   0.03   0.02   0.06   0.16   0.52   0.97   1.85   2.45   2.98   3.64   3.88
09/06/13   0.02   0.02   0.05   0.14   0.46   0.91   1.77   2.38   2.94   3.62   3.87
09/09/13   0.02   0.02   0.04   0.12   0.45   0.87   1.71   2.34   2.90   3.60   3.84
09/10/13   0.01   0.02   0.04   0.13   0.50   0.92   1.78   2.40   2.96   3.65   3.88
09/11/13   0.01   0.02   0.05   0.12   0.47   0.88   1.72   2.34   2.93   3.61   3.85
09/12/13   0.01   0.01   0.02   0.13   0.45   0.87   1.72   2.34   2.92   3.60   3.85
09/13/13   0.01   0.01   0.02   0.13   0.45   0.87   1.71   2.32   2.90   3.59   3.84
09/16/13   0.01   0.02   0.04   0.13   0.41   0.80   1.65   2.27   2.88   3.61   3.87
09/17/13   0.01   0.01   0.04   0.12   0.39   0.78   1.62   2.26   2.86   3.57   3.84
09/18/13   0.01   0.01   0.04   0.11   0.34   0.67   1.43   2.05   2.69   3.46   3.75
09/19/13   0.00   0.01   0.03   0.10   0.34   0.69   1.49   2.13   2.76   3.52   3.80
09/20/13   0.01   0.01   0.05   0.11   0.34   0.69   1.50   2.13   2.75   3.50   3.77
09/23/13   0.01   0.02   0.05   0.10   0.35   0.68   1.48   2.10   2.72   3.46   3.73
09/24/13   0.02   0.02   0.05   0.10   0.35   0.67   1.44   2.05   2.67   3.40   3.67
09/25/13   0.02   0.02   0.05   0.10   0.36   0.66   1.41   2.01   2.63   3.37   3.65
09/26/13   0.04   0.00   0.03   0.09   0.34   0.67   1.43   2.05   2.66   3.41   3.69
09/27/13   0.03   0.02   0.03   0.10   0.34   0.64   1.40   2.02   2.64   3.40   3.68
09/30/13   0.03   0.02   0.04   0.10   0.33   0.63   1.39   2.02   2.64   3.41   3.69
10/01/13   0.10   0.02   0.04   0.10   0.33   0.66   1.42   2.04   2.66   3.43   3.72
10/02/13   0.08   0.02   0.05   0.11   0.31   0.62   1.38   2.01   2.63   3.41   3.70
10/03/13   0.12   0.03   0.05   0.11   0.33   0.61   1.36   1.99   2.62   3.40   3.71
10/04/13   0.11   0.03   0.04   0.11   0.33   0.66   1.41   2.05   2.66   3.43   3.73
10/07/13   0.13   0.03   0.06   0.12   0.37   0.66   1.41   2.03   2.65   3.41   3.70
10/08/13   0.27   0.05   0.09   0.15   0.40   0.70   1.43   2.05   2.66   3.41   3.70
10/09/13   0.26   0.05   0.08   0.15   0.37   0.68   1.43   2.06   2.68   3.43   3.73
10/10/13   0.25   0.05   0.07   0.14   0.35   0.68   1.44   2.09   2.71   3.46   3.75
10/11/13   0.25   0.08   0.07   0.14   0.35   0.66   1.42   2.07   2.70   3.45   3.74
10/15/13   0.32   0.14   0.16   0.16   0.37   0.68   1.45   2.11   2.75   3.50   3.78
10/16/13   0.14   0.10   0.11   0.15   0.34   0.64   1.41   2.06   2.69   3.43   3.72
10/17/13   0.01   0.05   0.08   0.13   0.33   0.61   1.35   1.98   2.61   3.36   3.66
10/18/13   0.01   0.04   0.08   0.12   0.33   0.62   1.35   1.98   2.60   3.36   3.65
10/21/13   0.02   0.04   0.07   0.11   0.33   0.63   1.38   2.01   2.63   3.39   3.68
10/22/13   0.04   0.04   0.07   0.10   0.31   0.59   1.30   1.92   2.54   3.31   3.61
10/23/13   0.02   0.04   0.07   0.11   0.31   0.60   1.30   1.90   2.51   3.29   3.59
10/24/13   0.02   0.03   0.07   0.12   0.33   0.59   1.32   1.92   2.53   3.30   3.61
10/25/13   0.02   0.04   0.08   0.11   0.32   0.59   1.30   1.90   2.53   3.30   3.60
10/28/13   0.02   0.04   0.08   0.11   0.32   0.59   1.31   1.91   2.54   3.31   3.61
10/29/13   0.06   0.04   0.08   0.11   0.31   0.59   1.29   1.90   2.53   3.31   3.62
10/30/13   0.05   0.04   0.09   0.11   0.33   0.58   1.30   1.93   2.55   3.33   3.63
10/31/13   0.03   0.04   0.08   0.10   0.31   0.57   1.31   1.95   2.57   3.33   3.63
11/01/13   0.03   0.04   0.08   0.10   0.33   0.61   1.37   2.03   2.65   3.40   3.69
11/04/13   0.02   0.05   0.09   0.09   0.32   0.60   1.36   2.01   2.63   3.40   3.70
11/05/13   0.06   0.05   0.08   0.10   0.32   0.60   1.39   2.06   2.69   3.46   3.76
11/06/13   0.05   0.05   0.09   0.11   0.30   0.58   1.34   2.02   2.67   3.46   3.77
11/07/13   0.04   0.05   0.09   0.11   0.29   0.55   1.31   1.98   2.63   3.41   3.71
11/08/13   0.04   0.06   0.09   0.12   0.32   0.62   1.42   2.12   2.77   3.55   3.84
11/12/13   0.05   0.08   0.10   0.13   0.34   0.65   1.47   2.16   2.80   3.57   3.86
11/13/13   0.06   0.08   0.10   0.13   0.32   0.61   1.41   2.10   2.75   3.54   3.83
11/14/13   0.06   0.08   0.10   0.13   0.29   0.56   1.34   2.04   2.69   3.49   3.79
11/15/13   0.06   0.08   0.10   0.13   0.31   0.58   1.36   2.06   2.71   3.50   3.80
11/18/13   0.05   0.09   0.10   0.13   0.31   0.56   1.33   2.02   2.67   3.46   3.76
11/19/13   0.05   0.08   0.10   0.14   0.29   0.58   1.37   2.06   2.71   3.50   3.80
11/20/13   0.06   0.08   0.11   0.12   0.28   0.57   1.39   2.13   2.80   3.61   3.90
11/21/13   0.02   0.07   0.10   0.12   0.29   0.55   1.38   2.12   2.79   3.59   3.89
11/22/13   0.02   0.07   0.10   0.12   0.31   0.57   1.37   2.10   2.75   3.54   3.84
11/25/13   0.04   0.08   0.11   0.14   0.30   0.57   1.37   2.08   2.74   3.53   3.83
11/26/13   0.07   0.07   0.11   0.13   0.29   0.55   1.34   2.05   2.71   3.50   3.80
11/27/13   0.06   0.07   0.11   0.13   0.28   0.55   1.36   2.08   2.74   3.52   3.81
11/29/13   0.05   0.06   0.11   0.13   0.28   0.56   1.37   2.10   2.75   3.54   3.82
12/02/13   0.02   0.05   0.10   0.13   0.30   0.59   1.43   2.16   2.81   3.58   3.86
12/03/13   0.04   0.06   0.10   0.13   0.28   0.58   1.40   2.13   2.79   3.56   3.84
12/04/13   0.04   0.06   0.10   0.14   0.30   0.60   1.45   2.19   2.84   3.63   3.90
12/05/13   0.02   0.06   0.10   0.13   0.30   0.61   1.49   2.23   2.88   3.65   3.92
12/06/13   0.03   0.06   0.10   0.13   0.30   0.64   1.51   2.23   2.88   3.63   3.90
12/09/13   0.04   0.07   0.10   0.13   0.30   0.64   1.50   2.23   2.86   3.61   3.88
12/10/13   0.03   0.07   0.10   0.14   0.30   0.62   1.46   2.17   2.81   3.56   3.83
12/11/13   0.02   0.07   0.10   0.13   0.31   0.63   1.50   2.21   2.86   3.61   3.87
12/12/13   0.01   0.07   0.09   0.14   0.34   0.67   1.55   2.26   2.89   3.63   3.91
12/13/13   0.02   0.07   0.09   0.14   0.34   0.68   1.55   2.25   2.88   3.61   3.88
12/16/13   0.02   0.07   0.09   0.13   0.34   0.68   1.55   2.26   2.89   3.63   3.90
12/17/13   0.02   0.07   0.09   0.14   0.34   0.65   1.52   2.22   2.85   3.60   3.88
12/18/13   0.01   0.07   0.10   0.13   0.32   0.64   1.55   2.26   2.89   3.63   3.90
12/19/13   0.01   0.06   0.09   0.13   0.35   0.70   1.63   2.35   2.94   3.64   3.91
12/20/13   0.02   0.07   0.09   0.13   0.37   0.74   1.66   2.33   2.89   3.57   3.82
12/23/13   0.01   0.07   0.09   0.14   0.38   0.77   1.68   2.37   2.94   3.60   3.85
12/24/13   0.01   0.07   0.09   0.14   0.38   0.80   1.73   2.43   2.99   3.66   3.90
12/26/13   0.00   0.07   0.09   0.13   0.42   0.81   1.74   2.43   3.00   3.68   3.92
12/27/13   0.01   0.07   0.09   0.12   0.40   0.79   1.74   2.44   3.02   3.70   3.94
12/30/13   0.01   0.07   0.10   0.13   0.39   0.77   1.71   2.40   2.99   3.66   3.90
12/31/13   0.01   0.07   0.10   0.13   0.38   0.78   1.75   2.45   3.04   3.72   3.96



what  would a 100% pos need to pay  well since it is backed by nothing  I would not want one unless it paid 10X  the fed 30 year rate

but Phil  the government bond has  no backing no gold no silver.

Yeah  it has backing  of the US military  lots of guns missiles tanks soldiers etc.

Most  Fiat  is backed now by the countries weapons.  Since they went off gold and silver standards.

It is fucked up but true.  Most people  don't want to get killed  by their governments  so they agree to accept the money standards.

So Eth at pos = disaster.
My worry  is not ETH  and bitmain  making something more efficient to mine it.

My worry is they use this with every coin there is.  That = disaster.

Here is why  in the mining game  if you have  every factor controlled  other then coin diff and  coin price  you will make money.  Maybe not as much as you want  but money none the less.

I can control every  factor of mining using gpus
I can not control every factor of mining using asics.

Ie an evga  1080ti  with a 3 year warranty 
mining  zec will earn 2-6 usd a day  for up to 3 years  that is 1095 days

at 2 dollars = 2 x 1095 = 2190
at 6 dollars = 6 x 1095 = 6570

every factor  is controlled  the waterblock card costs  850 

my  power cost factor is always 50% 

  so 2190/2 = 1095 - 850 = 245 profit

and 6570/2 = 3285- 850 = 2435 profit

I simply cant do this with asics.
I am not the only person  that can control  all factors except diff+price
I use the solar array deal I have with buysolar
I use long warranty gpus
I do sell them  used when a good time comes around to sell them

If bitmain makes all asic all the time for all coins  it will kill me off simply because I can not  guarantee 3 year run time for the gear.

I repeat  I am not the only person  doing this.

If you mine to a bigger solar array like I do 160 kwatt/ 5 = 32 kwatt 24/7/365

you have free power up to 32 kwatt a day please note you need to be grid tied with a good government to do this New Jersey is good as are some other states and countries.

I can not lose  with my deal unless the gear breaks down  so to me asics suck  gpus are good.

It will be very interesting to see how this shakes out.

[ustcstone]

18 processors get 1G?  55M/processor with 4G ddr3(72/18=4)?i don't think so......

[Vektast]

650mh/s with 72 DDR3 memory? Its Simply Nonsense, and I tell u why:
So what we know is the RX 580 has 192Gb/s bandwidth and able to perform ~30mh/s
Well if we choose the best DDR3 memory with 1866Mhz (1866000000 Hz) then we can calculate 1 ddr3 memo chips's bandwidth. It's has a 64bit lane so 1866000000*64*8/1024/1024/1024=14.9 GB/s this is 1 DDr3 memo chip's bandwidth.
14.9*72=1074 Gb/s this is the total memory bandwidth with 72 ddr3 chip. So 1074/192*30=~168 Mh/s this could be the maximum eth mining performance with 72 ddr3 chips. Everything else is bullshit.