Linux is such a horrible OS (for casual users)

[dragonkid]

I think you missed the point.

If you're windowz person and ever consider linux, I think ubuntu or mint

linux mint is a fucking dumpster fire. that dev team never has their shit together, its breaking every 3 fucking days. their forums are full of fuckwads who don't know shit and are misleading other users who don't know shit.

ubuntu is ok if you are cool with the commercial company who made it spying on your every move. they collect usage activities, aka they have a backdoor into your system just like Microsoft does, its a a commercial agreement the NSA makes commercial OS developers sign.

how about this list:

if you love Windows 8 -> Fedora Core 22

if you love Windows 2000-> Puppy Linux or DamnSmallLinux

if you love Windows Vista-> Lubuntu

if you love DOS -> FreeBSD

ps: Someonelse was lying about Linux being faster than Windows. this is simply false, reason being that Linux cleans the full stack and cleans up after its self, where as Windows is more like a sloppy child, dropping temp data all over the place, half ass clearing memcache, dropping saved files in the first available sectors it will fit, etc. So yes, Linux is better for your computer, but it cannot ever be faster than Windows on identical hardware without becoming a sloppy child itself.

Signed,
         a lover of all OS's

Actually Linux is faster on the same hardware. My primary laptop is an Intel Core i7 running on 8GB Ram and SSD. Using Windows 7 it takes ages. Using Debian minimal installed it just switch on in a blink.

[r3wt]

It can be faster because one can customize a lot of things, like WM, if someone wants to run the latest gnome version all pimped up with transparent applets and 3D stuff, that's resource sucking stuff.

I run debian testing on a machine that would have trouble running WinXP, and it is quite fast for its modest specs...

Fair enough, i did overlook that. but in my opinion, just plain old X is ugly as F and the desktop performance of nicer GUI's like cinnamon or kde is seriously latent in performance. If the primary goal is adoption of Open Source OS's by the public, we have to start demanding a better product. right now most camps write a few hundred lines, fix a few bugs, make a new background and release a new distro. this isn't progress, just my humble opinion.  one exception i would think is gnome. Its a bit more established is a seems more refined and i think it performs better, even with the opacity and cool effects.

Actually Linux is faster on the same hardware. My primary laptop is an Intel Core i7 running on 8GB Ram and SSD. Using Windows 7 it takes ages. Using Debian minimal installed it just switch on in a blink.

Dude, putting in a Live Distro cd and starting your computer doesn't count as an "install", and also the installation time has nothing to do with it. i'm talking about actual benchmarking tests. show me where any Distro is faster than windows 8. i'll show you flying pig and jimmy hoffa's dead body.

Wait for the macfags to arrive...

rofl. ur not alone i hate the fanboys too.

[jarhed]

I tried Linux several times.  I always had to resort to Windows because there's no quality alternative to Photoshop (GIMP is just the worst PoS software I've ever used, the buttons actually got stuck all the time.  And there was painting software named Krita which I actually liked, but there were certain things that bugged the shit out of me.)  There's very basic support for my graphics tablet, WINE is completely unreliable, most games work only on Windows (although I mostly play TF2 now and it works great on Linux), there's no good alternative to Word and Excel (the ones I tried looked ugly; yes, appearance is important to me), not to mention the hours upon hours it took to install this thing on my PC which apparently hates Linux, trying to build the Bitcoin-QT and getting errors, trying to install any software that isn't on the repo is a huge pain, nor is there any standard to do so.  But I can look past all of that, and I did, until I couldn't work without PS or Word, and I don't even know if there's music software on Linux, but I'm pretty sure I didn't see any.

All in all, I'd say, for the casual user who just wants to browse the web and look at porn, Linux is actually a good choice, and the lighter distros are especially fast on older PCs.  But if you actually want to use your computer for something besides the internet and programming, Linux is just not there.  Yet.  If there's ever quality software that accommodates the creative crowd without requiring them to jump through hoops to get anything to work, then I'll try to pick it up again.

One solution that worked for me is to install VirtualBox or VMware under Linux.
Now you have Windows running as app. You're able to create multiple clone incase a Windows app goes rogue.

[Mike Christ]

One solution that worked for me is to install VirtualBox or VMware under Linux.
Now you have Windows running as app. You're able to create multiple clone incase a Windows app goes rogue.

I tried this once before, the VB version doesn't seem to have the same power as native Windows, so I was faced with many the same problems.  Going from graphics tablet on Linux to Windows to Photoshop, it was much too slow for me to accomplish anything, and I ultimately gave up.

[r3wt]

I tried Linux several times.  I always had to resort to Windows because there's no quality alternative to Photoshop (GIMP is just the worst PoS software I've ever used, the buttons actually got stuck all the time.  And there was painting software named Krita which I actually liked, but there were certain things that bugged the shit out of me.)  There's very basic support for my graphics tablet, WINE is completely unreliable, most games work only on Windows (although I mostly play TF2 now and it works great on Linux), there's no good alternative to Word and Excel (the ones I tried looked ugly; yes, appearance is important to me), not to mention the hours upon hours it took to install this thing on my PC which apparently hates Linux, trying to build the Bitcoin-QT and getting errors, trying to install any software that isn't on the repo is a huge pain, nor is there any standard to do so.  But I can look past all of that, and I did, until I couldn't work without PS or Word, and I don't even know if there's music software on Linux, but I'm pretty sure I didn't see any.

All in all, I'd say, for the casual user who just wants to browse the web and look at porn, Linux is actually a good choice, and the lighter distros are especially fast on older PCs.  But if you actually want to use your computer for something besides the internet and programming, Linux is just not there.  Yet.  If there's ever quality software that accommodates the creative crowd without requiring them to jump through hoops to get anything to work, then I'll try to pick it up again.

One solution that worked for me is to install VirtualBox or VMware under Linux.
Now you have Windows running as app. You're able to create multiple clone incase a Windows app goes rogue.

there is also this website, http://pixlr.com/editor/ its like photoshop-lite in your browser. be forewarned, you must have flash installed, which depending on your ability in the terminal can be a pain in the ass to install, but if you're a linux die hard who likes to pixelate its atleast worth investigating.

[Mike Christ]

there is also this website, http://pixlr.com/editor/ its like photoshop-lite in your browser. be forewarned, you must have flash installed, which depending on your ability in the terminal can be a pain in the ass to install, but if you're a linux die hard who likes to pixelate its atleast worth investigating.

This is pretty neat; unfortunately, it doesn't seem to recognize the pressure sensitivity of the tablet, so it's a no-go

[Dabs]

I used to love it to, but now i don't think i could ever go back. i'm currently using-- brace yourself--Windows 8. i only had to uninstall 386 bloatware programs, close 50 ports, disable 30 worthless services, install shadowbox defender,ccleaner, classicshell, mbam pro, mbar, notepad++ and icechat, plus some other things. now that i've done all that, it aint so bad. classic shell complete hides the "metro menu". still would prefer Windows Vista to all Windows OS's to date besides Win 2000, which is still the best OS msoft ever made in my opinion.

I would have stuck to Win 2k, but ... it got outdated. Actually, if I could still run Win98SE-c or whatever I used to have, that was great. Then XP. I will probably eventually upgrade to Win 7 by April 2014 (date of last support by MS) Or I'll try to maintain the final version of XP and use it for purely offline purposes, like retro games or cold storage. I still play some Starcraft 1 (offline) just for fun, (to see how long I last against 7 insane AI.)

I never liked Vista, and it seems many just skipped it from XP straight to 7.

I'll probably try Win7 or Win8 and nLite it to death or something (meaning, delete all stuff I don't need or want)

For everyone else, most OS run best when native, not emulated, unless you're running a really really old OS or some video game console emulator.

[Dabs]

there is also this website, http://pixlr.com/editor/ its like photoshop-lite in your browser. be forewarned, you must have flash installed, which depending on your ability in the terminal can be a pain in the ass to install, but if you're a linux die hard who likes to pixelate its atleast worth investigating.

Cool.



Here's some of my abstract art after 30 minutes of clicking around. It will be on the inter-webz forever.

[jarhed]

(...)still would prefer Windows Vista to all Windows OS's to date besides Win 2000, which is still the best OS msoft ever made in my opinion.

"Windows Vista".....wasn't that flawed from the beginning?....That's why Win7 launched but a few months later

[r3wt]

there is also this website, http://pixlr.com/editor/ its like photoshop-lite in your browser. be forewarned, you must have flash installed, which depending on your ability in the terminal can be a pain in the ass to install, but if you're a linux die hard who likes to pixelate its atleast worth investigating.

Cool.



Here's some of my abstract art after 30 minutes of clicking around. It will be on the inter-webz forever.

Legit.

[lophie]

Today like most days after playing my Dose of TeamFortress2 I went to play DoTA2.

Are they Linux native? Or emulated? DoTA2 is the sequel to DoTA 1? The Warcraft 3 map or mod? I haven't played 2, so I don't know. I do know the Doom and Quake games have native Linux versions or ports a long time ago.

I use Deep Freeze on Windows. There was supposed to be a Linux version, but I don't see it anymore.

No they are all Linux native and available on steam that is also native and both of them are free to play. DoTA2 is a remake of DoTA but the difference between this and League of Legends, Demigod and the other ripoffs is that valve remade DoTA exactly the way it is and enhanced the graphics and the game experience. It follows DoTA releases as updates.

Install steam and check the Linux games section. You will be very amazed.

[lophie]

Dota 2 is a multiplayer online battle arena video game, and the stand-alone sequel to the Defense of the Ancients (DotA) mod. Developed by Valve Corporation, the game was released on July 9, 2013 for Microsoft Windows, utilizing a free-to-play business model. OS X and Linux versions of Dota 2 were released on July 18, 2013. Dota 2 is exclusively available through Valve's content delivery platform, Steam.

Nice! I'll check it out or something.

I actually want to set up an internet cafe shop or something, that offered Linux (primarily because of licensing issues). Although WinXP/Win7 in such a scenario is relatively cheap (MS offers a rental rights agreement valued at about 34 USD per machine.)

Nice, add Bitcoin as a payment method and I will be visiting from time to time. I am working on a big project that might evolve to cryptocurrencies payment processor. You might be interested in that in the future.

[lophie]

@r3wt, I love Windows XP ... hehehe. no, seriously. Does that fall under Puppy / DSL ? I've installed XP hundreds of times in dozens of computers over the past 12 years, I've gotten used to some tweaks and customizations I put on it, and it runs great with only 4 gig of RAM; that's all the 32 bit version can use anyways. (I put 8 gig on another computer and had it use 4 as a RAM drive, that one seems to run faster.)

Try tiny core linux <3

[lophie]

There was never sufficient reason to install Linux except now I mine btc and the universe is telling me I have to know Linux.

I do admit, antihooking Windows process was starting to get annoying. Nothing moves on my system without my knowledge.

If you don't use software that has no linux alternative or you're not a gamer, I'd say the transition can be quick.

Check http://alternativeto.net/ for alternatives for the stuff you use.

I tried gaming in Wine, that didn't go so well. I think that was definitive motion that kept me on Windows. I even tried gaming in VMware install in ubuntu and got error msg about incompatible vid driver or what not.

The only game I play lately is daytrading.  , Growing up sucks.

Come on for any serious gamer you should be using PS3 or XBox360. Actually Linux isn't hard for the casual user, Android is a fork of Linux. And everyone is using it. ios is using BSD so it is also in the Unix family.

I am a die hard gamer. Sorry cannot agree for consoles playing FPS or MoTA like. Don't get me started on MMOs.

[lophie]

I think you missed the point.

If you're windowz person and ever consider linux, I think ubuntu or mint

linux mint is a fucking dumpster fire. that dev team never has their shit together, its breaking every 3 fucking days. their forums are full of fuckwads who don't know shit and are misleading other users who don't know shit.

ubuntu is ok if you are cool with the commercial company who made it spying on your every move. they collect usage activities, aka they have a backdoor into your system just like Microsoft does, its a a commercial agreement the NSA makes commercial OS developers sign.

how about this list:

if you love Windows 8 -> Fedora Core 22

if you love Windows 2000-> Puppy Linux or DamnSmallLinux

if you love Windows Vista-> Lubuntu

if you love DOS -> FreeBSD

ps: Someonelse was lying about Linux being faster than Windows. this is simply false, reason being that Linux cleans the full stack and cleans up after its self, where as Windows is more like a sloppy child, dropping temp data all over the place, half ass clearing memcache, dropping saved files in the first available sectors it will fit, etc. So yes, Linux is better for your computer, but it cannot ever be faster than Windows on identical hardware without becoming a sloppy child itself.

Signed,
         a lover of all OS's

Actually Linux is faster on the same hardware. My primary laptop is an Intel Core i7 running on 8GB Ram and SSD. Using Windows 7 it takes ages. Using Debian minimal installed it just switch on in a blink.

Refer to benchmarks done by people who do some work instead of slamming systems. Windows would never beat Linux in almost every aspect.

[lophie]

(...)still would prefer Windows Vista to all Windows OS's to date besides Win 2000, which is still the best OS msoft ever made in my opinion.

"Windows Vista".....wasn't that flawed from the beginning?....That's why Win7 launched but a few months later

  ROFL ROFL LOL ROFL 

[Puppet]

show me where any Distro is faster than windows 8. i'll show you flying pig and jimmy hoffa's dead body.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=freebsd_win8_ubuntu&num=4

Now show me your flying pig.

[dragonkid]

show me where any Distro is faster than windows 8. i'll show you flying pig and jimmy hoffa's dead body.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=freebsd_win8_ubuntu&num=4

Now show me your flying pig.

Nice one. 

[r3wt]

show me where any Distro is faster than windows 8. i'll show you flying pig and jimmy hoffa's dead body.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=freebsd_win8_ubuntu&num=4

Now show me your flying pig.

You're right. measuring the the frames per second on a gpu is sufficient evidence of superior performance. also, its kind of telling how little Win 8 lags behind while being much more graphic intensive than either OS. Food for thought young padawan, food for thought.

[Pokerfan]

Linux is super easy if you don't need specific windows-only programs and you don't game much.

Most people just browse anyway. Linux is ideal for that.