Linux is such a horrible OS (for casual users)

[jarhed]

Linux is like driving very slowly, admiring all the roadkills.
Windows is like waking up at the end of the journey.

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[matt4054]

OS X and Windows are better for "casual" users as you say

On the other hand, only OS X and Linux gives me flexibility for one-liners such as

Code:

ssh root@xpm24 "./primecoind.2 listtransactions \"\" 20 | grep blocktime |  sed -e \"s/.* : //\" -e \"s/,//\" | sort | xargs -n 1 -I '{}' date --date=@'{}'"

What I like about Linux: your computer stays yours
What I like about OS X: simple, clean & efficient without dumbing down too much (UNIX based)
What I like about Windows: any exotic hardware with drivers? Probably Windows only...

What I've learnt in 20 years IT: be platform agnostic, just use the best for each of them

[jarhed]

I just hate the fact Linux assumes I have all the time in the world.

And it doesn't help there's really no tech support. Just try this command, no?, then try this, no?!!....well try entering blah.

Linux are for those who literally has no life outside a machine.

Bitcoin better worth all this crap. Freaking Satoshi. I was quiet happy with my Windows.

[01BTC10]

I just hate the fact Linux assumes I have all the time in the world.

And it doesn't help there's really no tech support. Just try this command, no?, then try this, no?!!....well try entering blah.

Linux are for those who literally has no life outside a machine.

Bitcoin better worth all this crap. Freaking Satoshi. I was quiet happy with my Windows.

Try

Code:

man man

And this: http://askubuntu.com/

It took me a while to get fluent with Linux but I won't get back to Windows unless I need it for some exotic reason.

[jarhed]

I tried linux several years back then I realized was unnecessary while surfing porn site.

[Welsh]

Linux I find much more friendly to me. Windows can be too limiting. However, I use both OS for different purposes.

[jarhed]

Linux I find much more friendly to me. Windows can be too limiting. However, I use both OS for different purposes.

Ok, you're just saying that to look kewl.

The only dif is that one is free. CMD can do just as much.

[01BTC10]

Linux I find much more friendly to me. Windows can be too limiting. However, I use both OS for different purposes.

Ok, you're just saying that to look kewl.

The only dif is that one is free. CMD can do just as much.

Nope but stay with Windows we don't really care. Use what you find best suited for your needs.

[theymos]

On the other hand, only OS X and Linux gives me flexibility for one-liners such as

Code:

ssh root@xpm24 "./primecoind.2 listtransactions \"\" 20 | grep blocktime |  sed -e \"s/.* : //\" -e \"s/,//\" | sort | xargs -n 1 -I '{}' date --date=@'{}'"

[jarhed]

Linux I find much more friendly to me. Windows can be too limiting. However, I use both OS for different purposes.

Ok, you're just saying that to look kewl.

The only dif is that one is free. CMD can do just as much.

Nope but stay with Windows we don't really care. Use what you find best suited for your needs.

Whoa there. "we don't really care", Who are you? Linus Torvalds.

Please not post.

[01BTC10]

Linux I find much more friendly to me. Windows can be too limiting. However, I use both OS for different purposes.

Ok, you're just saying that to look kewl.

The only dif is that one is free. CMD can do just as much.

Nope but stay with Windows we don't really care. Use what you find best suited for your needs.

Whoa there. "we don't really care", Who are you? Linus Torvalds.

Please not post.

I thought you wanted to learn something but you only made a thread to whine about a OS you don't need at all; so, yeah I don't care if Linux is not suitable for your needs.

[jarhed]

Linux I find much more friendly to me. Windows can be too limiting. However, I use both OS for different purposes.

Ok, you're just saying that to look kewl.

The only dif is that one is free. CMD can do just as much.

Nope but stay with Windows we don't really care. Use what you find best suited for your needs.

Whoa there. "we don't really care", Who are you? Linus Torvalds.

Please not post.

I thought you wanted to learn something but you only made a thread to whine about a OS you don't need at all; so, yeah I don't care if Linux is not suitable for your needs.

Wow, took you that long to realize. Who makes an off-topic in such a way other than to rant.

[jarhed]

On the other hand, only OS X and Linux gives me flexibility for one-liners such as

Code:

ssh root@xpm24 "./primecoind.2 listtransactions \"\" 20 | grep blocktime |  sed -e \"s/.* : //\" -e \"s/,//\" | sort | xargs -n 1 -I '{}' date --date=@'{}'"

Now I can't even rant properly now that theymos is here. He probably has his own distro.

[pedrog]

I just hate the fact Linux assumes I have all the time in the world.

And it doesn't help there's really no tech support. Just try this command, no?, then try this, no?!!....well try entering blah.

Linux are for those who literally has no life outside a machine.

Bitcoin better worth all this crap. Freaking Satoshi. I was quiet happy with my Windows.

Actually the first bitcoin client was for windows.

I've been using GNU/Linux for about 13 years now, it was love at first sight!

Nowadays there are very user friendly distributions, and as far as my experience goes, linux systems are much more easy and faster to use than Windows systems.

And tech support is quite good: google.com.  

[jarhed]

I just hate the fact Linux assumes I have all the time in the world.

And it doesn't help there's really no tech support. Just try this command, no?, then try this, no?!!....well try entering blah.

Linux are for those who literally has no life outside a machine.

Bitcoin better worth all this crap. Freaking Satoshi. I was quiet happy with my Windows.

Actually the first bitcoin client was for windows.

I've been using GNU/Linux for about 13 years now, it was love at first sight!

Nowadays there are very user friendly distributions, and as far as my experience goes, linux systems are much more easy and faster to use than Windows systems.

And tech support is quite good: google.com.  

Absolutely right, but........I'd rather watch another porn vid.

[paraipan]

On the other hand, only OS X and Linux gives me flexibility for one-liners such as

Code:

ssh root@xpm24 "./primecoind.2 listtransactions \"\" 20 | grep blocktime |  sed -e \"s/.* : //\" -e \"s/,//\" | sort | xargs -n 1 -I '{}' date --date=@'{}'"

Lol, the little windows that could. Didn't know that, thanks.

[pedrog]

I just hate the fact Linux assumes I have all the time in the world.

And it doesn't help there's really no tech support. Just try this command, no?, then try this, no?!!....well try entering blah.

Linux are for those who literally has no life outside a machine.

Bitcoin better worth all this crap. Freaking Satoshi. I was quiet happy with my Windows.

Actually the first bitcoin client was for windows.

I've been using GNU/Linux for about 13 years now, it was love at first sight!

Nowadays there are very user friendly distributions, and as far as my experience goes, linux systems are much more easy and faster to use than Windows systems.

And tech support is quite good: google.com.  

Absolutely right, but........I'd rather watch another porn vid.

Yap, it works fine with that.  

[peter@slave ~]$ du -ahd 0 /mnt/sda1/X-Rated/
176G    /mnt/sda1/X-Rated/

[jarhed]

Dude!, seriously.

And that's my point right there. Rather than to finish whatever I'm doing then go out and get hammered, I'm stuck figuring out what command does what. Time-management is not a familiar term in Linux.

[pedrog]

Dude!, seriously.

And that's my point right there. Rather than to finish whatever I'm doing then go out and get hammered, I'm stuck figuring out what command does what. Time-management is not a familiar term in Linux.

Yap, it takes a while to get used to it, but it's the same with windows, you need to learn what program does what when you got your first computer.

[dragonkid]

On the other hand, only OS X and Linux gives me flexibility for one-liners such as

Code:

ssh root@xpm24 "./primecoind.2 listtransactions \"\" 20 | grep blocktime |  sed -e \"s/.* : //\" -e \"s/,//\" | sort | xargs -n 1 -I '{}' date --date=@'{}'"

Lol, the little windows that could. Didn't know that, thanks.

That is not a pure Windows command. He added Linux commands in his system. Grep, sed are not in Windows.

http://ss64.com/nt/

I love using Linux, it is open source, so there are no backdoor from NSA. 

Also it is safer to keep your Bitcoin wallet on a Linux system than either OS X or Windows. It is the most secure system in the world.

Also there are no malware in Linux. And if you really want to pay for tech support you can pay for it for Linux, too. http://www.ubuntu.com/management.

[jarhed]

At least with windows, all the commands are neatly packaged in a .exe.

In Linux, just as with alt-crap coins, everyone has a version. Debian, Suse, BT, Ubuntu, etc.

[pedrog]

(...) everyone has a version. Debian, Suse, BT, Ubuntu, etc.

Yes, and that's a great point in favor of GNU/Linux...

[jarhed]

(...) everyone has a version. Debian, Suse, BT, Ubuntu, etc.

Yes, and that's a great point in favor of GNU/Linux...

So, you support all crap/alt-coins then?

[dragonkid]

At least with windows, all the commands are neatly packaged in a .exe.

In Linux, just as with alt-crap coins, everyone has a version. Debian, Suse, BT, Ubuntu, etc.

yeah and lots of fragmentation in your hard drive, and broken registry in your Windows OS.

There are 2 main packages in Linux, deb and rpm. Also if you can only find either one, you can easily convert it to and from deb or rpm.

Windows don't even have centralised package management system. So I don't understand how you can say it is neatly packaged.

[pedrog]

(...) everyone has a version. Debian, Suse, BT, Ubuntu, etc.

Yes, and that's a great point in favor of GNU/Linux...

So, you support all crap/alt-coins then?

Linux distributions aren't connected with each other, everybody can have their own distribution and everything works fine, it's nice to have choices.

Alt-coins, or as many of them are scam-coins, are also good for the crypto-coin ecosystem, for testing new features, being 51%ed, and so on...

[jarhed]

At least with windows, all the commands are neatly packaged in a .exe.

In Linux, just as with alt-crap coins, everyone has a version. Debian, Suse, BT, Ubuntu, etc.

yeah and lots of fragmentation in your hard drive, and broken registry in your Windows OS.

There are 2 main packages in Linux, deb and rpm. Also if you can only find either one, you can easily convert it to and from deb or rpm.

Windows don't even have centralised package management system. So I don't understand how you can say it is neatly packaged.

I'm not a Dev. Just a casual user.
If I want to play Mp3, all I have to do is double click to install. Done. < a minute I'm enjoying music.

[dragonkid]

(...) everyone has a version. Debian, Suse, BT, Ubuntu, etc.

Yes, and that's a great point in favor of GNU/Linux...

So, you support all crap/alt-coins then?

Linux distributions aren't connected with each other, everybody can have their own distribution and everything works fine, it's nice to have choices.

Also to add to that, Windows and Mac both are limited in customization. You can only do so much in them, just change the wallpaper, screensaver, and some icon. But in Linux, there are so many windows manager, so you can change it how you like it look. http://www.howtogeek.com/163154/linux-users-have-a-choice-8-linux-desktop-environments/

[jarhed]

(...) everyone has a version. Debian, Suse, BT, Ubuntu, etc.

Yes, and that's a great point in favor of GNU/Linux...

So, you support all crap/alt-coins then?

Linux distributions aren't connected with each other, everybody can have their own distribution and everything works fine, it's nice to have choices.

Alt-coins, or as many of them are scam-coins, are also good for the crypto-coin ecosystem, for testing new features, being 51%ed, and so on...

Yea, and only hackers use Linux Alt-coins add nothing new, they're all trying to re-hash Satoshi's work.

[dragonkid]

At least with windows, all the commands are neatly packaged in a .exe.

In Linux, just as with alt-crap coins, everyone has a version. Debian, Suse, BT, Ubuntu, etc.

yeah and lots of fragmentation in your hard drive, and broken registry in your Windows OS.

There are 2 main packages in Linux, deb and rpm. Also if you can only find either one, you can easily convert it to and from deb or rpm.

Windows don't even have centralised package management system. So I don't understand how you can say it is neatly packaged.

I'm not a Dev. Just a casual user.
If I want to play Mp3, all I have to do is double click to install. Done. < a minute I'm enjoying music.

You are missing the point, centralised package management system, can do update for all your software which are on your computer. In Windows, there is windows update which only update Microsoft software. To update your other stuff like latest drivers, latest version of what ever application you use, you need to download them from a site and install it again. So Linux is much easier for the causal user. You just click update, and it update your entire computer.

What do you mean if you want to play MP3, all you need to do is double click to install??  MP3 is a music file, for it to install unless it is a Malware hidden in your MP3 file.

[jackjack]

I just hate the fact Linux assumes I have all the time in the world.

And it doesn't help there's really no tech support. Just try this command, no?, then try this, no?!!....well try entering blah.

Linux are for those who literally has no life outside a machine.

Bitcoin better worth all this crap. Freaking Satoshi. I was quiet happy with my Windows.

Try

Code:

man man

And this: http://askubuntu.com/

It took me a while to get fluent with Linux but I won't get back to Windows unless I need it for some exotic reason.

This

[jarhed]

At least with windows, all the commands are neatly packaged in a .exe.

In Linux, just as with alt-crap coins, everyone has a version. Debian, Suse, BT, Ubuntu, etc.

yeah and lots of fragmentation in your hard drive, and broken registry in your Windows OS.

There are 2 main packages in Linux, deb and rpm. Also if you can only find either one, you can easily convert it to and from deb or rpm.

Windows don't even have centralised package management system. So I don't understand how you can say it is neatly packaged.

I'm not a Dev. Just a casual user.
If I want to play Mp3, all I have to do is double click to install. Done. < a minute I'm enjoying music.

You are missing the point, centralised package management system, can do update for all your software which are on your computer. In Windows, there is windows update which only update Microsoft software. To update your other stuff like latest drivers, latest version of what ever application you use, you need to download them from a site and install it again. So Linux is much easier for the causal user. You just click update, and it update your entire computer.

What do you mean if you want to play MP3, all you need to do is double click to install??   MP3 is a music file, for it to install unless it is a Malware hidden in your MP3 file.

Granted,

Code:

apt-get update

is awesome, but that's about the only thing easier for the casual user.

In Windows, an app is installed to play Mp3, or just use the default with proper codec.

[theymos]

That is not a pure Windows command. He added Linux commands in his system.

The Linux kernel doesn't come with sed, grep, etc., either.

Also there are no malware in Linux.

Malware does exist for Linux, though it's more rare. Desktop Linux installations are typically not more secure than Windows: in both cases, all of your GUI programs run under one user, and they can all access each other's memory (somewhat easier on Linux, AFAIK), log keystrokes, etc.

[gurcani]

I wish you luck with trojans if you'll keep bitcoins in that machine my little troll friend...

Some people prefer a false sense of convenience and security over freedom. The others use linux and bitcoins to change the world.

[jarhed]

I wish you luck with trojans if you'll keep bitcoins in that machine my little troll friend...

Some people prefer a false sense of convenience and security over freedom. The others use linux and bitcoins to change the world.

Linux isn't safe from a Java bot, so keep dreaming.

[pedrog]

At least with windows, all the commands are neatly packaged in a .exe.

In Linux, just as with alt-crap coins, everyone has a version. Debian, Suse, BT, Ubuntu, etc.

yeah and lots of fragmentation in your hard drive, and broken registry in your Windows OS.

There are 2 main packages in Linux, deb and rpm. Also if you can only find either one, you can easily convert it to and from deb or rpm.

Windows don't even have centralised package management system. So I don't understand how you can say it is neatly packaged.

I'm not a Dev. Just a casual user.
If I want to play Mp3, all I have to do is double click to install. Done. < a minute I'm enjoying music.

Actually, you have to go to the program website you want to download, download the program, double click, click yes you want to install, click the agreement, click next a few times, click finish, something like that.

That can take a few minutes.

Or:

apt-get install rhythmbox

And 10 seconds later it's playing music, like I said, it takes a while to learn but after you get used to it, it's much more convenient.

[jarhed]

At least with windows, all the commands are neatly packaged in a .exe.

In Linux, just as with alt-crap coins, everyone has a version. Debian, Suse, BT, Ubuntu, etc.

yeah and lots of fragmentation in your hard drive, and broken registry in your Windows OS.

There are 2 main packages in Linux, deb and rpm. Also if you can only find either one, you can easily convert it to and from deb or rpm.

Windows don't even have centralised package management system. So I don't understand how you can say it is neatly packaged.

I'm not a Dev. Just a casual user.
If I want to play Mp3, all I have to do is double click to install. Done. < a minute I'm enjoying music.

Actually, you have to go to the program website you want to download, download the program, double click, click yes you want to install, click the agreement, click next a few times, click finish, something like that.

That can take a few minutes.

Or:

apt-get install rhythmbox

And 10 seconds later it's playing music, like I said, it takes a while to learn but after you get used to it, it's much more convenient.

Well, I guess you're right on that point.

[Dabs]

I use them all. Main reason I still use Windows are exotic: Adobe Photoshop and CorelDraw. The alternatives aren't the same. Emulation is unworkable for real work.

And oh, I got this cute compiler I keep playing with. Exotic.

[jarhed]

There was never sufficient reason to install Linux except now I mine btc and the universe is telling me I have to know Linux.

I do admit, antihooking Windows process was starting to get annoying. Nothing moves on my system without my knowledge.

[pedrog]

There was never sufficient reason to install Linux except now I mine btc and the universe is telling me I have to know Linux.

I do admit, antihooking Windows process was starting to get annoying. Nothing moves on my system without my knowledge.

If you don't use software that has no linux alternative or you're not a gamer, I'd say the transition can be quick.

Check http://alternativeto.net/ for alternatives for the stuff you use.

[gurcani]

I wish you luck with trojans if you'll keep bitcoins in that machine my little troll friend...

Some people prefer a false sense of convenience and security over freedom. The others use linux and bitcoins to change the world.

Linux isn't safe from a Java bot, so keep dreaming.

windowz isn't safe from a java bot either. And it is not safe from a whole bunch of other things.

In any case, it is the freedom that is the primary issue. not security.

Here is my hero vs. yours if you will:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFMMXRoSxnA

[jarhed]

There was never sufficient reason to install Linux except now I mine btc and the universe is telling me I have to know Linux.

I do admit, antihooking Windows process was starting to get annoying. Nothing moves on my system without my knowledge.

If you don't use software that has no linux alternative or you're not a gamer, I'd say the transition can be quick.

Check http://alternativeto.net/ for alternatives for the stuff you use.

I tried gaming in Wine, that didn't go so well. I think that was definitive motion that kept me on Windows. I even tried gaming in VMware install in ubuntu and got error msg about incompatible vid driver or what not.

The only game I play lately is daytrading.  , Growing up sucks.

[balanghai]

linux is not your everyday instant coffee. You have to dry it, roast it, grind it before you can enjoy a smooth coffee.

[pedrog]

windowz isn't safe from a java bot either. And it is not safe from a whole bunch of other things.

In any case, it is the freedom that is the primary issue. not security.

Here is my hero vs. yours if you will:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFMMXRoSxnA

Hey, Bill Gates is a good guy, at least he is doing something good with the money.

RMS is also one of my heroes.

He got the Linus Torvalds prize when, in reality, it should be the other way around...

[jarhed]

I wish you luck with trojans if you'll keep bitcoins in that machine my little troll friend...

Some people prefer a false sense of convenience and security over freedom. The others use linux and bitcoins to change the world.

Linux isn't safe from a Java bot, so keep dreaming.

windowz isn't safe from a java bot either. And it is not safe from a whole bunch of other things.

In any case, it is the freedom that is the primary issue. not security.

I think you missed the point.

Windows sucks
Linux sucks

Anything that keeps me glued to my chair sucks.

I'm a miner, there's only one first with being a miner.
So, I'm here learning how to mine efficiently, and that sucks, coz I'm glued to my chair.

[gurcani]

I think you missed the point.

ok, I guess you're right.

I hope you have some asic hadware if you are setting up for mining btw.

But seriously watch the interview. Even though the interviewer is infinitely annoying, stallman handles him well. Who knows, It may give you a positive perspective on what you're trying to do. You'll still loose the same amount of time, but maybe you'll be less pissed off about it.

If you're windowz person and ever consider linux, I think ubuntu or mint should be the way to go (though clearly the best distro is arch linux). You can do the whole mining thing under windowz, but if you won't play games on that computer, investing in learning linux will benefit you in the long run (as an example, I recall mining some altcoins with very low diff, while windowz users were cursing the developers for not publishing and exe file).

Think of it kinda like zen and the art of motorcycle maintainence... If you just want your motorcycle to work without any problems and take it to a mechanic when it doesn't work, you won't get the same intellectual satisfaction from using it if you know how to repair it and spent a lot of time handling all its parts.

[pedrog]

(...) (though clearly the best distro is arch linux) (...)

Are you trying to start a war here? 

[skull88]

You took the wrong distro if that is your opinion. Never met anyone who couldn't find his way around in Ubuntu for example.

[romerun]

osx is basically linux done right

[gurcani]

yeah, my mom uses ubuntu...

I use arch with evilwm as wm. I have been using evilwm for the last 7 years or so. Arch for the last 2-3 years.

I went from slackware to debian to gentoo to arch (shows my age). I gave up debian because of dependency hell. Gentoo was great at first, but recently they managed to make a mess in portage. The qt inter-dependencies are as bad as debian.

I don't know how exactly but arch handles the dependency issue really smoothly. I think the dual approach with pacman and aur is also the way to go if you want to have some stuff bleeding edge, but not necessarily everything.

[gurcani]

osx is basically linux done right

Except that you have a single wm (no choice), and you are digitally handcuffed to use their stuff for a lot of things. Probably Apple and NSA are also spying on you through the backdoors built into their proprietary closed source components.

[romerun]

does not matter, it's like 20 times better than windows which is 20 times better than linux.

[gurcani]

does not matter, it's like 20 times better than windows which is 20 times better than linux.

in what? sucking?

[b!z]

Windows is fine if you take the proper security precautions. Good luck with playing games on osx/linux that aren't snake/tetris.

[Zeek_W]

linux is not your everyday instant coffee. You have to dry it, roast it, grind it before you can enjoy a smooth coffee.

This is a great analogy for Linux!

I am fairly OS agnostic and run Windows, OSX and a various number of Linux flavours. I do admit my foundation is in Microsoft software so Windows is my primary OS, but I find some Linux OSs are great for what they are built for. I either have multiple partitions or use LiveCDs/VMs depending.

The hate on Linux and also the 'Linux is super secure' statements I hear are just speculation. The hate regarding its difficulty is probably due to unfamiliarity with the platform and not knowing best practices. I grew up on MS-DOS and as such a CLI doesn't really bother me. Some applications are better.

And just to be a douche: Windows bloat shits me to tears, and Apples overpricing is laughable.

[Dabs]

And just to be a douche: Windows bloat shits me to tears, and Apples overpricing is laughable.

Most Windows apps are indeed either bloated, or dependent on bloated classes or libraries (MFC, Run-time libraries, dot NET, etc.)

But you can now find some exotic compilers or programmers that do ASM or close to ASM level a bunch of apps, some may be CLI, some are actually GUI. Only problem is some of these stuff are either very low level, or high level but closed source (albeit you can sort of trust them).

The least bloated, in my experience are the classic VB compilers, or VB6. The run times are already included in WinXP, Win7 and maybe even Win8. So there is no additional bloat unless you use more than the common controls.

If you've used VB (Visual Basic), then you might have heard of PB (PowerBasic) and they even #BLOAT on purpose (Artificially inflate the disk image size of a compiled program.) Because otherwise, their compiled executables are really small.

[gurcani]

Windows is fine if you take the proper security precautions. Good luck with playing games on osx/linux that aren't snake/tetris.

there is wesnoth!

[b!z]

Windows is fine if you take the proper security precautions. Good luck with playing games on osx/linux that aren't snake/tetris.

there is wesnoth!

I don't even know what that is.

[Nik1ab]

Windows is spying, so Linux is the only way for PCs.

[lophie]

Hello, Just a small guy here relatively new to Linux.

I had the hypothesis that most casual users think windows is easier and more user friendly because we simply very used to Windows  in our early day dealing with computers. So I introduced Linux to my siblings and relatives of young age (Ubuntu). I taught them (none) and I just left them to use it to see how intuitive the operating system is. I even totally erased Windows from all machines (older people called me an asshole, My wife still think I am  ).

Needless to say they blossomed and they cannot deal with windows anymore. Ubuntu was faster, more secure, more user friendly and simply much more awesome. Ages varies from 4 to 25, Most (To be fair, not all) are 100% Ubuntu now.

My roomate back in college is an industrial engineer, another is an electrical engineer, another is a computer engineer (<- can't say I am surprised for that guy  ). Now they are all 100% all the time on Ubuntu. Granted they need some tools from time to time that are just for windows with no ports but wine (winehq.org) never disappointed them.

Linux is not for the people who doesn't have life outside a machine. For casual users it is just fine. Now for relatively advanced users I agree because when you make the switch most of your windows skills are rendered useless. Until you get to learn the always more awesome alternative.

Just my opinion from my own experience. Thank you for reading.

[Buffer Overflow]

Actually, you have to go to the program website you want to download, download the program, double click, click yes you want to install, click the agreement, click next a few times, click finish, something like that.

That can take a few minutes.

Or:

apt-get install rhythmbox

And 10 seconds later it's playing music, like I said, it takes a while to learn but after you get used to it, it's much more convenient.

You forgot to mention the extra parts of the install on the windows platform. You know, the part where afterwards you need to uninstall all the spyware you've just installed as well. Then best to do a quick 3 hour virus scan.
Oh yeah, and just so your OS can insult you that little bit more, don't forget the obligatory Windows reboot. (Windows loves a reboot.)

3 hours later you can relax and enjoy your new program.

The funniest thing is people actual pay for the privilege of this. LOL

[pedrog]

Actually, you have to go to the program website you want to download, download the program, double click, click yes you want to install, click the agreement, click next a few times, click finish, something like that.

That can take a few minutes.

Or:

apt-get install rhythmbox

And 10 seconds later it's playing music, like I said, it takes a while to learn but after you get used to it, it's much more convenient.

You forgot to mention the extra parts of the install on the windows platform. You know, the part where afterwards you need to uninstall all the spyware you've just installed as well. Then best to do a quick 3 hour virus scan.
Oh yeah, and just so your OS can insult you that little bit more, don't forget the obligatory Windows reboot. (Windows loves a reboot.)

3 hours later you can relax and enjoy your new program.

The funniest thing is people actual pay for the privilege of this. LOL

Haha, good point!

Windows is fine if you take the proper security precautions. Good luck with playing games on osx/linux that aren't snake/tetris.

there is wesnoth!

I don't even know what that is.

Also Steam:

http://store.steampowered.com/browse/linux/

[Puppet]

Granted,

Code:

apt-get update

is awesome, but that's about the only thing easier for the casual user.

New linux users always make the mistake thinking command line is both necessary and too complicated.  

Its neither.

Command line is rarely required, but  allows anyone to copy paste commands from a website, email or whatever in to a terminal, regardless of what GUI you use, regardless of what language your OS is in, regardless (to some extend) of distribution or version. It even works when the GUI doesnt.

Now you can do just about anything through the GUI too (obviously including apt-get update), but explaining how to do it would take dozens of lines, possibly require screenshots, would be different for every different GUI and distribution, wouldnt apply to french or chinese installations etc. Try explaining over the phone or email to a computer neophyte how to remove AMD video driver. Perhaps then you will see who incredibly useful a command like

Code:

sudo apt-get remove fglrx

really is.

In linux, like in windows, you use the GUI if you are trying to discover things intuitively. If you want to remove AMD drivers through gui, just use the "additional driver" app or ubuntu software center, its intuitevely enough for anyone with basic computer skills to discover that. But you use the command line to be much faster if you know what you are doing, or if you are just implementing commands someone else wrote.

Both approaches make sense and have their uses, both approaches are available in linux. But in windows, you dont have that choice, most things require a GUI.

[lophie]

Windows is fine if you take the proper security precautions. Good luck with playing games on osx/linux that aren't snake/tetris.

Today like most days after playing my Dose of TeamFortress2 I went to play DoTA2, While I was waiting for the game to begin I was surfing the web while listening to youtube. Then a sweet little notification from Unity notifications notified me that the game is ready so I re maximised the game (Windows people know how this supposed to be a headache  , Then enjoyed a gaming experience using my nvidia card surpassing the one on windows for the same hardware.

Man I am sorry but the gaming lashing on Linux is an ancient cry. Linux outgrew it. Keep up and get out of Windows caves.

[bitcoin44me]

Nice to see that the old Linux/Windows trolls are still here

/popcorn

[jarhed]

What's the Linux equivalent to Windows Sandboxie?

.......AV all seem to have a sandbox method lately.

[Puppet]

What's the Linux equivalent to Windows Sandboxie?

.......AV all seem to have a sandbox method lately.

Depends want you want to achieve.
selinux / apparmor  or just plain old chroot

[Dabs]

Today like most days after playing my Dose of TeamFortress2 I went to play DoTA2.

Are they Linux native? Or emulated? DoTA2 is the sequel to DoTA 1? The Warcraft 3 map or mod? I haven't played 2, so I don't know. I do know the Doom and Quake games have native Linux versions or ports a long time ago.

I use Deep Freeze on Windows. There was supposed to be a Linux version, but I don't see it anymore.

[naphto]

DoTA2 is the sequel to DoTA 1? The Warcraft 3 map or mod? I haven't played 2, so I don't know.

DotA is a warcraft 3 custom game which was developped by several guys, and by IceFrog for a couple of years. You need to have Warcraft 3 + extension installed to play it.
Valve hired IceFrog to develop a new game. They called it DotA 2, and it requires Steam. It has nothing to do with Blizzard (DotA has nothing to do with blizzard aswell, just requiring the game). Blizzard planned to make a Dota like, but dunno when:
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6893280231

[Dabs]

Dota 2 is a multiplayer online battle arena video game, and the stand-alone sequel to the Defense of the Ancients (DotA) mod. Developed by Valve Corporation, the game was released on July 9, 2013 for Microsoft Windows, utilizing a free-to-play business model. OS X and Linux versions of Dota 2 were released on July 18, 2013. Dota 2 is exclusively available through Valve's content delivery platform, Steam.

Nice! I'll check it out or something.

I actually want to set up an internet cafe shop or something, that offered Linux (primarily because of licensing issues). Although WinXP/Win7 in such a scenario is relatively cheap (MS offers a rental rights agreement valued at about 34 USD per machine.)

[xypos]

You can install cracked version of Windows. Nobody will know/check it.

[Dabs]

You can install cracked version of Windows. Nobody will know/check it.

At home, maybe not. In a commercial space with 20 or 40 computers? Unlicensed Windows? Where you ask people to pay you to play or surf the net? You're asking to go bankrupt. It depends on your location maybe. Where I am, piracy is attracting attention from the local authorities. MS has a presence here and they'll take all your hardware with them.

[r3wt]

I think you missed the point.

If you're windowz person and ever consider linux, I think ubuntu or mint

linux mint is a fucking dumpster fire. that dev team never has their shit together, its breaking every 3 fucking days. their forums are full of fuckwads who don't know shit and are misleading other users who don't know shit.

ubuntu is ok if you are cool with the commercial company who made it spying on your every move. they collect usage activities, aka they have a backdoor into your system just like Microsoft does, its a a commercial agreement the NSA makes commercial OS developers sign.

how about this list:

if you love Windows 8 -> Fedora Core 22

if you love Windows 2000-> Puppy Linux or DamnSmallLinux

if you love Windows Vista-> Lubuntu

if you love DOS -> FreeBSD

ps: Someonelse was lying about Linux being faster than Windows. this is simply false, reason being that Linux cleans the full stack and cleans up after its self, where as Windows is more like a sloppy child, dropping temp data all over the place, half ass clearing memcache, dropping saved files in the first available sectors it will fit, etc. So yes, Linux is better for your computer, but it cannot ever be faster than Windows on identical hardware without becoming a sloppy child itself.

Signed,
         a lover of all OS's

[Puppet]

If you like apple, give Elementary OS a try.
http://elementaryos.org/

[Dabs]

@r3wt, I love Windows XP ... hehehe. no, seriously. Does that fall under Puppy / DSL ? I've installed XP hundreds of times in dozens of computers over the past 12 years, I've gotten used to some tweaks and customizations I put on it, and it runs great with only 4 gig of RAM; that's all the 32 bit version can use anyways. (I put 8 gig on another computer and had it use 4 as a RAM drive, that one seems to run faster.)

[dragonkid]

There was never sufficient reason to install Linux except now I mine btc and the universe is telling me I have to know Linux.

I do admit, antihooking Windows process was starting to get annoying. Nothing moves on my system without my knowledge.

If you don't use software that has no linux alternative or you're not a gamer, I'd say the transition can be quick.

Check http://alternativeto.net/ for alternatives for the stuff you use.

I tried gaming in Wine, that didn't go so well. I think that was definitive motion that kept me on Windows. I even tried gaming in VMware install in ubuntu and got error msg about incompatible vid driver or what not.

The only game I play lately is daytrading.  , Growing up sucks.

Come on for any serious gamer you should be using PS3 or XBox360. Actually Linux isn't hard for the casual user, Android is a fork of Linux. And everyone is using it. ios is using BSD so it is also in the Unix family.

[Puppet]

@r3wt, I love Windows XP ... hehehe. no, seriously. Does that fall under Puppy / DSL ? I've installed XP hundreds of times in dozens of computers over the past 12 years, I've gotten used to some tweaks and customizations I put on it, and it runs great with only 4 gig of RAM; that's all the 32 bit version can use anyways. (I put 8 gig on another computer and had it use 4 as a RAM drive, that one seems to run faster.)

puppy linux is really only useful if you have far less capable hardware than that. Ive run it on computers with 256Mb of RAM.
If you have 4GB, you can run any full fledged linux distro you want with any desktop environment you like; no need to go to puppy/DSL or even Lubuntu.

I run elementary OS on a laptop with 2GB, and it flies.

[Mike Christ]

I tried Linux several times.  I always had to resort to Windows because there's no quality alternative to Photoshop (GIMP is just the worst PoS software I've ever used, the buttons actually got stuck all the time.  And there was painting software named Krita which I actually liked, but there were certain things that bugged the shit out of me.)  There's very basic support for my graphics tablet, WINE is completely unreliable, most games work only on Windows (although I mostly play TF2 now and it works great on Linux), there's no good alternative to Word and Excel (the ones I tried looked ugly; yes, appearance is important to me), not to mention the hours upon hours it took to install this thing on my PC which apparently hates Linux, trying to build the Bitcoin-QT and getting errors, trying to install any software that isn't on the repo is a huge pain, nor is there any standard to do so.  But I can look past all of that, and I did, until I couldn't work without PS or Word, and I don't even know if there's music software on Linux, but I'm pretty sure I didn't see any.

All in all, I'd say, for the casual user who just wants to browse the web and look at porn, Linux is actually a good choice, and the lighter distros are especially fast on older PCs.  But if you actually want to use your computer for something besides the internet and programming, Linux is just not there.  Yet.  If there's ever quality software that accommodates the creative crowd without requiring them to jump through hoops to get anything to work, then I'll try to pick it up again.

Come on for any serious gamer you should be using PC or an even better PC.

[pedrog]

Nice to see that the old Linux/Windows trolls are still here

/popcorn

Wait for the macfags to arrive...

ps: Someonelse was lying about Linux being faster than Windows. this is simply false, reason being that Linux cleans the full stack and cleans up after its self, where as Windows is more like a sloppy child, dropping temp data all over the place, half ass clearing memcache, dropping saved files in the first available sectors it will fit, etc. So yes, Linux is better for your computer, but it cannot ever be faster than Windows on identical hardware without becoming a sloppy child itself.

Signed,
         a lover of all OS's

It can be faster because one can customize a lot of things, like WM, if someone wants to run the latest gnome version all pimped up with transparent applets and 3D stuff, that's resource sucking stuff.

I run debian testing on a machine that would have trouble running WinXP, and it is quite fast for its modest specs...

[r3wt]

@r3wt, I love Windows XP ... hehehe. no, seriously. Does that fall under Puppy / DSL ? I've installed XP hundreds of times in dozens of computers over the past 12 years, I've gotten used to some tweaks and customizations I put on it, and it runs great with only 4 gig of RAM; that's all the 32 bit version can use anyways. (I put 8 gig on another computer and had it use 4 as a RAM drive, that one seems to run faster.)

I used to love it to, but now i don't think i could ever go back. i'm currently using-- brace yourself--Windows 8. i only had to uninstall 386 bloatware programs, close 50 ports, disable 30 worthless services, install shadowbox defender,ccleaner, classicshell, mbam pro, mbar, notepad++ and icechat, plus some other things. now that i've done all that, it aint so bad. classic shell complete hides the "metro menu". still would prefer Windows Vista to all Windows OS's to date besides Win 2000, which is still the best OS msoft ever made in my opinion.

[jarhed]

What's the Linux equivalent to Windows Sandboxie?

.......AV all seem to have a sandbox method lately.

Depends want you want to achieve.
selinux / apparmor  or just plain old chroot

I'm checking out apparmor which already comes with ubuntu. Seems selinux lacks proper policy implementation.

Come on for any serious gamer you should be using PS3 or XBox360. Actually Linux isn't hard for the casual user, Android is a fork of Linux. And everyone is using it. ios is using BSD so it is also in the Unix family.

My favorite game at the time was an online first person Mod that wasn't available on any other hardware. It's now ported to console, last I heard sucks coz everything is different, even the engine.

[dragonkid]

I think you missed the point.

If you're windowz person and ever consider linux, I think ubuntu or mint

linux mint is a fucking dumpster fire. that dev team never has their shit together, its breaking every 3 fucking days. their forums are full of fuckwads who don't know shit and are misleading other users who don't know shit.

ubuntu is ok if you are cool with the commercial company who made it spying on your every move. they collect usage activities, aka they have a backdoor into your system just like Microsoft does, its a a commercial agreement the NSA makes commercial OS developers sign.

how about this list:

if you love Windows 8 -> Fedora Core 22

if you love Windows 2000-> Puppy Linux or DamnSmallLinux

if you love Windows Vista-> Lubuntu

if you love DOS -> FreeBSD

ps: Someonelse was lying about Linux being faster than Windows. this is simply false, reason being that Linux cleans the full stack and cleans up after its self, where as Windows is more like a sloppy child, dropping temp data all over the place, half ass clearing memcache, dropping saved files in the first available sectors it will fit, etc. So yes, Linux is better for your computer, but it cannot ever be faster than Windows on identical hardware without becoming a sloppy child itself.

Signed,
         a lover of all OS's

Actually Linux is faster on the same hardware. My primary laptop is an Intel Core i7 running on 8GB Ram and SSD. Using Windows 7 it takes ages. Using Debian minimal installed it just switch on in a blink.

[r3wt]

It can be faster because one can customize a lot of things, like WM, if someone wants to run the latest gnome version all pimped up with transparent applets and 3D stuff, that's resource sucking stuff.

I run debian testing on a machine that would have trouble running WinXP, and it is quite fast for its modest specs...

Fair enough, i did overlook that. but in my opinion, just plain old X is ugly as F and the desktop performance of nicer GUI's like cinnamon or kde is seriously latent in performance. If the primary goal is adoption of Open Source OS's by the public, we have to start demanding a better product. right now most camps write a few hundred lines, fix a few bugs, make a new background and release a new distro. this isn't progress, just my humble opinion.  one exception i would think is gnome. Its a bit more established is a seems more refined and i think it performs better, even with the opacity and cool effects.

Actually Linux is faster on the same hardware. My primary laptop is an Intel Core i7 running on 8GB Ram and SSD. Using Windows 7 it takes ages. Using Debian minimal installed it just switch on in a blink.

Dude, putting in a Live Distro cd and starting your computer doesn't count as an "install", and also the installation time has nothing to do with it. i'm talking about actual benchmarking tests. show me where any Distro is faster than windows 8. i'll show you flying pig and jimmy hoffa's dead body.

Wait for the macfags to arrive...

rofl. ur not alone i hate the fanboys too.

[jarhed]

I tried Linux several times.  I always had to resort to Windows because there's no quality alternative to Photoshop (GIMP is just the worst PoS software I've ever used, the buttons actually got stuck all the time.  And there was painting software named Krita which I actually liked, but there were certain things that bugged the shit out of me.)  There's very basic support for my graphics tablet, WINE is completely unreliable, most games work only on Windows (although I mostly play TF2 now and it works great on Linux), there's no good alternative to Word and Excel (the ones I tried looked ugly; yes, appearance is important to me), not to mention the hours upon hours it took to install this thing on my PC which apparently hates Linux, trying to build the Bitcoin-QT and getting errors, trying to install any software that isn't on the repo is a huge pain, nor is there any standard to do so.  But I can look past all of that, and I did, until I couldn't work without PS or Word, and I don't even know if there's music software on Linux, but I'm pretty sure I didn't see any.

All in all, I'd say, for the casual user who just wants to browse the web and look at porn, Linux is actually a good choice, and the lighter distros are especially fast on older PCs.  But if you actually want to use your computer for something besides the internet and programming, Linux is just not there.  Yet.  If there's ever quality software that accommodates the creative crowd without requiring them to jump through hoops to get anything to work, then I'll try to pick it up again.

One solution that worked for me is to install VirtualBox or VMware under Linux.
Now you have Windows running as app. You're able to create multiple clone incase a Windows app goes rogue.

[Mike Christ]

One solution that worked for me is to install VirtualBox or VMware under Linux.
Now you have Windows running as app. You're able to create multiple clone incase a Windows app goes rogue.

I tried this once before, the VB version doesn't seem to have the same power as native Windows, so I was faced with many the same problems.  Going from graphics tablet on Linux to Windows to Photoshop, it was much too slow for me to accomplish anything, and I ultimately gave up.

[r3wt]

I tried Linux several times.  I always had to resort to Windows because there's no quality alternative to Photoshop (GIMP is just the worst PoS software I've ever used, the buttons actually got stuck all the time.  And there was painting software named Krita which I actually liked, but there were certain things that bugged the shit out of me.)  There's very basic support for my graphics tablet, WINE is completely unreliable, most games work only on Windows (although I mostly play TF2 now and it works great on Linux), there's no good alternative to Word and Excel (the ones I tried looked ugly; yes, appearance is important to me), not to mention the hours upon hours it took to install this thing on my PC which apparently hates Linux, trying to build the Bitcoin-QT and getting errors, trying to install any software that isn't on the repo is a huge pain, nor is there any standard to do so.  But I can look past all of that, and I did, until I couldn't work without PS or Word, and I don't even know if there's music software on Linux, but I'm pretty sure I didn't see any.

All in all, I'd say, for the casual user who just wants to browse the web and look at porn, Linux is actually a good choice, and the lighter distros are especially fast on older PCs.  But if you actually want to use your computer for something besides the internet and programming, Linux is just not there.  Yet.  If there's ever quality software that accommodates the creative crowd without requiring them to jump through hoops to get anything to work, then I'll try to pick it up again.

One solution that worked for me is to install VirtualBox or VMware under Linux.
Now you have Windows running as app. You're able to create multiple clone incase a Windows app goes rogue.

there is also this website, http://pixlr.com/editor/ its like photoshop-lite in your browser. be forewarned, you must have flash installed, which depending on your ability in the terminal can be a pain in the ass to install, but if you're a linux die hard who likes to pixelate its atleast worth investigating.

[Mike Christ]

there is also this website, http://pixlr.com/editor/ its like photoshop-lite in your browser. be forewarned, you must have flash installed, which depending on your ability in the terminal can be a pain in the ass to install, but if you're a linux die hard who likes to pixelate its atleast worth investigating.

This is pretty neat; unfortunately, it doesn't seem to recognize the pressure sensitivity of the tablet, so it's a no-go

[Dabs]

I used to love it to, but now i don't think i could ever go back. i'm currently using-- brace yourself--Windows 8. i only had to uninstall 386 bloatware programs, close 50 ports, disable 30 worthless services, install shadowbox defender,ccleaner, classicshell, mbam pro, mbar, notepad++ and icechat, plus some other things. now that i've done all that, it aint so bad. classic shell complete hides the "metro menu". still would prefer Windows Vista to all Windows OS's to date besides Win 2000, which is still the best OS msoft ever made in my opinion.

I would have stuck to Win 2k, but ... it got outdated. Actually, if I could still run Win98SE-c or whatever I used to have, that was great. Then XP. I will probably eventually upgrade to Win 7 by April 2014 (date of last support by MS) Or I'll try to maintain the final version of XP and use it for purely offline purposes, like retro games or cold storage. I still play some Starcraft 1 (offline) just for fun, (to see how long I last against 7 insane AI.)

I never liked Vista, and it seems many just skipped it from XP straight to 7.

I'll probably try Win7 or Win8 and nLite it to death or something (meaning, delete all stuff I don't need or want)

For everyone else, most OS run best when native, not emulated, unless you're running a really really old OS or some video game console emulator.

[Dabs]

there is also this website, http://pixlr.com/editor/ its like photoshop-lite in your browser. be forewarned, you must have flash installed, which depending on your ability in the terminal can be a pain in the ass to install, but if you're a linux die hard who likes to pixelate its atleast worth investigating.

Cool.



Here's some of my abstract art after 30 minutes of clicking around. It will be on the inter-webz forever.

[jarhed]

(...)still would prefer Windows Vista to all Windows OS's to date besides Win 2000, which is still the best OS msoft ever made in my opinion.

"Windows Vista".....wasn't that flawed from the beginning?....That's why Win7 launched but a few months later

[r3wt]

there is also this website, http://pixlr.com/editor/ its like photoshop-lite in your browser. be forewarned, you must have flash installed, which depending on your ability in the terminal can be a pain in the ass to install, but if you're a linux die hard who likes to pixelate its atleast worth investigating.

Cool.



Here's some of my abstract art after 30 minutes of clicking around. It will be on the inter-webz forever.

Legit.

[lophie]

Today like most days after playing my Dose of TeamFortress2 I went to play DoTA2.

Are they Linux native? Or emulated? DoTA2 is the sequel to DoTA 1? The Warcraft 3 map or mod? I haven't played 2, so I don't know. I do know the Doom and Quake games have native Linux versions or ports a long time ago.

I use Deep Freeze on Windows. There was supposed to be a Linux version, but I don't see it anymore.

No they are all Linux native and available on steam that is also native and both of them are free to play. DoTA2 is a remake of DoTA but the difference between this and League of Legends, Demigod and the other ripoffs is that valve remade DoTA exactly the way it is and enhanced the graphics and the game experience. It follows DoTA releases as updates.

Install steam and check the Linux games section. You will be very amazed.

[lophie]

Dota 2 is a multiplayer online battle arena video game, and the stand-alone sequel to the Defense of the Ancients (DotA) mod. Developed by Valve Corporation, the game was released on July 9, 2013 for Microsoft Windows, utilizing a free-to-play business model. OS X and Linux versions of Dota 2 were released on July 18, 2013. Dota 2 is exclusively available through Valve's content delivery platform, Steam.

Nice! I'll check it out or something.

I actually want to set up an internet cafe shop or something, that offered Linux (primarily because of licensing issues). Although WinXP/Win7 in such a scenario is relatively cheap (MS offers a rental rights agreement valued at about 34 USD per machine.)

Nice, add Bitcoin as a payment method and I will be visiting from time to time. I am working on a big project that might evolve to cryptocurrencies payment processor. You might be interested in that in the future.

[lophie]

@r3wt, I love Windows XP ... hehehe. no, seriously. Does that fall under Puppy / DSL ? I've installed XP hundreds of times in dozens of computers over the past 12 years, I've gotten used to some tweaks and customizations I put on it, and it runs great with only 4 gig of RAM; that's all the 32 bit version can use anyways. (I put 8 gig on another computer and had it use 4 as a RAM drive, that one seems to run faster.)

Try tiny core linux <3

[lophie]

There was never sufficient reason to install Linux except now I mine btc and the universe is telling me I have to know Linux.

I do admit, antihooking Windows process was starting to get annoying. Nothing moves on my system without my knowledge.

If you don't use software that has no linux alternative or you're not a gamer, I'd say the transition can be quick.

Check http://alternativeto.net/ for alternatives for the stuff you use.

I tried gaming in Wine, that didn't go so well. I think that was definitive motion that kept me on Windows. I even tried gaming in VMware install in ubuntu and got error msg about incompatible vid driver or what not.

The only game I play lately is daytrading.  , Growing up sucks.

Come on for any serious gamer you should be using PS3 or XBox360. Actually Linux isn't hard for the casual user, Android is a fork of Linux. And everyone is using it. ios is using BSD so it is also in the Unix family.

I am a die hard gamer. Sorry cannot agree for consoles playing FPS or MoTA like. Don't get me started on MMOs.

[lophie]

I think you missed the point.

If you're windowz person and ever consider linux, I think ubuntu or mint

linux mint is a fucking dumpster fire. that dev team never has their shit together, its breaking every 3 fucking days. their forums are full of fuckwads who don't know shit and are misleading other users who don't know shit.

ubuntu is ok if you are cool with the commercial company who made it spying on your every move. they collect usage activities, aka they have a backdoor into your system just like Microsoft does, its a a commercial agreement the NSA makes commercial OS developers sign.

how about this list:

if you love Windows 8 -> Fedora Core 22

if you love Windows 2000-> Puppy Linux or DamnSmallLinux

if you love Windows Vista-> Lubuntu

if you love DOS -> FreeBSD

ps: Someonelse was lying about Linux being faster than Windows. this is simply false, reason being that Linux cleans the full stack and cleans up after its self, where as Windows is more like a sloppy child, dropping temp data all over the place, half ass clearing memcache, dropping saved files in the first available sectors it will fit, etc. So yes, Linux is better for your computer, but it cannot ever be faster than Windows on identical hardware without becoming a sloppy child itself.

Signed,
         a lover of all OS's

Actually Linux is faster on the same hardware. My primary laptop is an Intel Core i7 running on 8GB Ram and SSD. Using Windows 7 it takes ages. Using Debian minimal installed it just switch on in a blink.

Refer to benchmarks done by people who do some work instead of slamming systems. Windows would never beat Linux in almost every aspect.

[lophie]

(...)still would prefer Windows Vista to all Windows OS's to date besides Win 2000, which is still the best OS msoft ever made in my opinion.

"Windows Vista".....wasn't that flawed from the beginning?....That's why Win7 launched but a few months later

  ROFL ROFL LOL ROFL 

[Puppet]

show me where any Distro is faster than windows 8. i'll show you flying pig and jimmy hoffa's dead body.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=freebsd_win8_ubuntu&num=4

Now show me your flying pig.

[dragonkid]

show me where any Distro is faster than windows 8. i'll show you flying pig and jimmy hoffa's dead body.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=freebsd_win8_ubuntu&num=4

Now show me your flying pig.

Nice one. 

[r3wt]

show me where any Distro is faster than windows 8. i'll show you flying pig and jimmy hoffa's dead body.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=freebsd_win8_ubuntu&num=4

Now show me your flying pig.

You're right. measuring the the frames per second on a gpu is sufficient evidence of superior performance. also, its kind of telling how little Win 8 lags behind while being much more graphic intensive than either OS. Food for thought young padawan, food for thought.

[Pokerfan]

Linux is super easy if you don't need specific windows-only programs and you don't game much.

Most people just browse anyway. Linux is ideal for that.

[Mike Christ]

Linux is super easy if you don't need specific windows-only programs and you don't game much.

Most people just browse anyway. Linux is ideal for that.

Completely agree; I personally love linux as just a casual OS, but when I actually need to do work, it just doesn't work out.

[btcton]

Casual computer users should really be fine with Linux. It really isn't that hard, it is just a different concept. If you are into quite a bit of gaming and such, you're better off with Windows, though. Of course, Linux is my #1 for servers, but that's just me.

[r3wt]

Casual computer users should really be fine with Linux. It really isn't that hard, it is just a different concept. If you are into quite a bit of gaming and such, you're better off with Windows, though. Of course, Linux is my #1 for servers, but that's just me.

Sadly, most casual users can barely use Windows. Imagine trying to teach them how to open the terminal and sudo everytime they want to run an application.

[gurcani]

Sadly, most casual users can barely use Windows. Imagine trying to teach them how to open the terminal and sudo everytime they want to run an application.

so you sudo everytime you want to run an application?

[r3wt]

Sadly, most casual users can barely use Windows. Imagine trying to teach them how to open the terminal and sudo everytime they want to run an application.

so you sudo everytime you want to run an application?

you know what i meant. most "casual" users won't be satisfied with the prepackaged repos of any given linux distro. sooner or later they will try to install something, such as video card drivers that will be a real pain in the ass.

[Dabs]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Core_Linux

5.0 [1] / September 14, 2013; 0 days ago

Woot! Zero Day!

What a cute distro.

[jarhed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Core_Linux

5.0 [1] / September 14, 2013; 0 days ago

Woot! Zero Day!

What a cute distro.

This thing runs entirely in RAM at 8-12MB.

Edit
I just loaded it on VMware, less than 10 seconds to load. Transparent terminal, Mac inspired desktop view. I am impressed.

[favdesu]

I'd still use linux if they'd better game support. it's sad, but I'm only with windows for the games, the only reason I moved back.

[r3wt]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Core_Linux

5.0 [1] / September 14, 2013; 0 days ago

Woot! Zero Day!

What a cute distro.

This thing runs entirely in RAM at 8-12MB.

Edit
I just loaded it on VMware, less than 10 seconds to load. Transparent terminal, Mac inspired desktop view. I am impressed.

whoa that thing is sick for sure. i wonder if it supports normal distro packages like debian

[dragonkid]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Core_Linux

5.0 [1] / September 14, 2013; 0 days ago

Woot! Zero Day!

What a cute distro.

This thing runs entirely in RAM at 8-12MB.

Edit
I just loaded it on VMware, less than 10 seconds to load. Transparent terminal, Mac inspired desktop view. I am impressed.

whoa that thing is sick for sure. i wonder if it supports normal distro packages like debian

They don't use .deb

They have their own package call .tcz

http://wiki.tinycorelinux.net/wiki:install_apps#install_applications2

[Puppet]

You're right. measuring the the frames per second on a gpu is sufficient evidence of superior performance. also, its kind of telling how little Win 8 lags behind while being much more graphic intensive than either OS. Food for thought young padawan, food for thought.

You didnt qualify your request for a benchmark, I deliberately gave you a few very unlikely ones with gaming performance. Not many people associate linux with superior gaming performance, as its well known AMD and nVidia drivers are much more optimized for windows than linux, which makes sense given the fact that the vast majority of gamers and review benchmarks happen on windows.Of course no matter what benchmark I would have posted, you would have dismissed it as irrelevant or not representative, despite your "show me ANY" benchmark claim.

Here are some more for you to dismiss

File system performance:


KVM


I could give you webserving and DB benchmarks, compiling or whatever.
I could point you to the fact that for serious number crunching, windows is so much faster,  its used on all of 0.6% of the top 500 supercomputers.

But we all know you would dismiss them anyway.

Fact is, its not even those benchmarks that show how fast linux is, its just using it. You can deny it all you want, but anyone who actually uses both will know how one OS will inevitably slow down over time to the point where its no longer usable, constantly bogs you down with weird background processes  hammering your HDD, constantly stops you from doing work with a bazillion popups and updates that you cant postpone or abort. And the other OS just does it work in the background without ever getting in the way.

[r3wt]

You're right. measuring the the frames per second on a gpu is sufficient evidence of superior performance. also, its kind of telling how little Win 8 lags behind while being much more graphic intensive than either OS. Food for thought young padawan, food for thought.

You didnt qualify your request for a benchmark, I deliberately gave you a few very unlikely ones with gaming performance. Not many people associate linux with superior gaming performance, as its well known AMD and nVidia drivers are much more optimized for windows than linux, which makes sense given the fact that the vast majority of gamers and review benchmarks happen on windows.Of course no matter what benchmark I would have posted, you would have dismissed it as irrelevant or not representative, despite your "show me ANY" benchmark claim.

Here are some more for you to dismiss

File system performance:


KVM


I could give you webserving and DB benchmarks, compiling or whatever.
I could point you to the fact that for serious number crunching, windows is so much faster,  its used on all of 0.6% of the top 500 supercomputers.

But we all know you would dismiss them anyway.

Fact is, its not even those benchmarks that show how fast linux is, its just using it. You can deny it all you want, but anyone who actually uses both will know how one OS will inevitably slow down over time to the point where its no longer usable, constantly bogs you down with weird background processes  hammering your HDD, constantly stops you from doing work with a bazillion popups and updates that you cant postpone or abort. And the other OS just does it work in the background without ever getting in the way.

i use both.

[Rampion]

I tried linux several years back then I realized was unnecessary while surfing porn site.

Lol, best post of the day.

But now seriously: for a Bitcoin user, Windows is like playing Russian roulette. Too many attack vectors in there.

[Dabs]

@Rampion, if you use bitcoin on a semi-cold basis, even if the OS is Windows, the attack vectors suddenly disappear.

If you install bitcoin-qt on the same machine you use for every day work, that is connected to the internet, then everything you do is an attack vector.

On the other hand, I might as well use any other OS if all I intend to put on it is Bitcoin-Qt.

However, I am comfortable enough with just Windows, so that's what I use, then I disable all ports except TCP 8333 and disable all services and only connect that machine a couple of hours a day, and only behind a router that blocks everything else except bitcoin.

Works for me, and haven't had my less than 4 digit bitcoins stolen.

[Puppet]

Valve CEO: Why Linux is the future of gaming:
http://www.zdnet.com/valve-ceo-why-linux-is-the-future-of-gaming-7000020735/

[r3wt]

Valve CEO: Why Linux is the future of gaming:
http://www.zdnet.com/valve-ceo-why-linux-is-the-future-of-gaming-7000020735/

The next step, from where Newell sits, isn't so much bringing games to Linux, but rather working on the hardware side to create a living room gaming device based on Linux. This device, which we'll find out more about next week, is designed to span the gap from the desktop to the living room TV.

In Valve's future, players will run their games on Linux systems. They may not know they are running Linux — any more than nine out of 10 Android users know they're running Linux — but it will be Linux under the hood. These devices, whether PCs, tablets, or dedicated game consoles, will all play the same while running the same Steam-based games on top of Linux.

Please let this be true

[Nik1ab]

Nice thinking.

[virtualmaster]

Linux became very user friendly with the Gnome and KDE surface, comparable with Windows XP or Windows Vista.
Flexibility and speed for native applications is however higher. For server applications much higher.
There exists unpleasant graphical surfaces like Windows 8 and Ubuntu Unity for both systems but at least in Linux you can change the standard surface much easier.
Security is definitely much higher under Linux.
Windows still has the advantage that more games are available and may be some special applications also but older windows applications you can run under wine also.

[tkbx]

Your opinion is incorrect.

[Nik1ab]

Your opinion is incorrect.

Opinions can't be "incorrect".

[jackjack]

Your opinion is incorrect.

Opinions can't be "incorrect".

Your signature is.

[r3wt]

Your opinion is incorrect.

Opinions can't be "incorrect".

Your signature is.

ziiiiiiing

[Nik1ab]

Your opinion is incorrect.

Opinions can't be "incorrect".

Your signature is.

What do you mean?

[clock27]

LOL as long as its not apple im happy

[manfred]

There is always room for improvements but i am for ever grateful as Linux saved me once. Long live the Penguin.

[Welsh]

LOL as long as its not apple im happy

That's true. I have had used one of my mates Mac and I thought it was  dreadful. Very limiting.

[Dabs]

iOS has to be jailbroken.
Android has to be rooted.
Linux is already root.

[lophie]

sudo endofdiscussion | 'linux rules'

When I "su", you all listen to your root.

[r3wt]

sudo endofdiscussion | 'linux rules'

When I "su", you all listen to your root.

you have to enter your password or it don't count

[Mooshire]

I would be using linux right now, if not for some key points:

I am a gamer, and most of my games are exclusively Windows.

I use a crappy off-brand TV as a monitor, and it overscans, maybe I just don't know how to fix this problem on linux, but I can't see any of the important stuff on the sides or top.

It's a steep learning curve. A little too steep for me to just jump into with all I already have set up on windows.

If I could get past my crappy hardware and games, I'd be willing to take a few weeks/months/years to actually learn to use Linux. But it's just not the best option for me atm.

[r3wt]

Profound thoughts with r3wt:

In terms of security, Linux is like a 17th century castlle. It surrounded by a moat with heavily fortified walls and every gate and window is barred. but every so often, the roof of tower springs a leak, where inside a simple skeleton lock stands between you and your prize.

Windows on the other hand, is like a tiki bar where you are free to come and go as you please, but upon entering you are immediately passed through an xray machine, your pupils are checked for signs of a virus, your record is pulled, and you are quaranteed while the management decides if you are safe to be there or not, ultimately leaving the mysterious user-god-being to decide if you shall be allowed to stay and present yourself or if you shall be expelled from the tiki bar. should you try to break something or go somewhere you shouldn't be, you are immediately detained by the slaves of the user-god-being and questioned thoroughly and listed of your offenses. the user-god-being, may naively forgive you your tresspasses and you may continue to thieve under his nose.

[jarhed]

The fact is, Linux is synonymous with alt-coins............now I have TinyCoreLinux in my VMware, like WTF!?, do I really need another Distro/alt-coin....?

[r3wt]

The fact is, Linux is synonymous with alt-coins............now I have TinyCoreLinux in my VMware, like WTF!?, do I really need another Distro/alt-coin....?

hey i like TCL. i'm gonna put it on all the old laptops i buy and use it for compiling. it'll be much nicer to compile in the comfort of the recliner instead of slaving away at my desk in front of frakenstein(thats what i named my desktop because its old case was all hacked to bits so the mobo would fit.)

[Dabs]

I read somewhere that Linux is a tank, and Windows are cheap 2 or 4 door sedans. I think it's the Cathedral Bazaar linux story or something. Or maybe it was Cryptonomicon.

The analogy between cars and operating systems is not half bad, and so let me run with it for a moment, as a way of giving an executive summary of our situation today.

Imagine a crossroads where four competing auto dealerships are situated. One of them (Microsoft) is much, much bigger than the others. It started out years ago selling three-speed bicycles (MS-DOS); these were not perfect, but they worked, and when they broke you could easily fix them.

There was a competing bicycle dealership next door (Apple) that one day began selling motorized vehicles--expensive but attractively styled cars with their innards hermetically sealed, so that how they worked was something of a mystery.

The big dealership responded by rushing a moped upgrade kit (the original Windows) onto the market. This was a Rube Goldberg contraption that, when bolted onto a three-speed bicycle, enabled it to keep up, just barely, with Apple-cars. The users had to wear goggles and were always picking bugs out of their teeth while Apple owners sped along in hermetically sealed comfort, sneering out the windows. But the Micro-mopeds were cheap, and easy to fix compared with the Apple-cars, and their market share waxed.

Eventually the big dealership came out with a full-fledged car: a colossal station wagon (Windows 95). It had all the aesthetic appeal of a Soviet worker housing block, it leaked oil and blew gaskets, and it was an enormous success. A little later, they also came out with a hulking off-road vehicle intended for industrial users (Windows NT) which was no more beautiful than the station wagon, and only a little more reliable.

Since then there has been a lot of noise and shouting, but little has changed. The smaller dealership continues to sell sleek Euro-styled sedans and to spend a lot of money on advertising campaigns. They have had GOING OUT OF BUSINESS! signs taped up in their windows for so long that they have gotten all yellow and curly. The big one keeps making bigger and bigger station wagons and ORVs.

On the other side of the road are two competitors that have come along more recently.

One of them (Be, Inc.) is selling fully operational Batmobiles (the BeOS). They are more beautiful and stylish even than the Euro-sedans, better designed, more technologically advanced, and at least as reliable as anything else on the market--and yet cheaper than the others.

With one exception, that is: Linux, which is right next door, and which is not a business at all. It's a bunch of RVs, yurts, tepees, and geodesic domes set up in a field and organized by consensus. The people who live there are making tanks. These are not old-fashioned, cast-iron Soviet tanks; these are more like the M1 tanks of the U.S. Army, made of space-age materials and jammed with sophisticated technology from one end to the other. But they are better than Army tanks. They've been modified in such a way that they never, ever break down, are light and maneuverable enough to use on ordinary streets, and use no more fuel than a subcompact car. These tanks are being cranked out, on the spot, at a terrific pace, and a vast number of them are lined up along the edge of the road with keys in the ignition. Anyone who wants can simply climb into one and drive it away for free.

Customers come to this crossroads in throngs, day and night. Ninety percent of them go straight to the biggest dealership and buy station wagons or off-road vehicles. They do not even look at the other dealerships.

Of the remaining ten percent, most go and buy a sleek Euro-sedan, pausing only to turn up their noses at the philistines going to buy the station wagons and ORVs. If they even notice the people on the opposite side of the road, selling the cheaper, technically superior vehicles, these customers deride them cranks and half-wits.

The Batmobile outlet sells a few vehicles to the occasional car nut who wants a second vehicle to go with his station wagon, but seems to accept, at least for now, that it's a fringe player.

The group giving away the free tanks only stays alive because it is staffed by volunteers, who are lined up at the edge of the street with bullhorns, trying to draw customers' attention to this incredible situation. A typical conversation goes something like this:

Hacker with bullhorn: "Save your money! Accept one of our free tanks! It is invulnerable, and can drive across rocks and swamps at ninety miles an hour while getting a hundred miles to the gallon!"

Prospective station wagon buyer: "I know what you say is true...but...er...I don't know how to maintain a tank!"

Bullhorn: "You don't know how to maintain a station wagon either!"

Buyer: "But this dealership has mechanics on staff. If something goes wrong with my station wagon, I can take a day off work, bring it here, and pay them to work on it while I sit in the waiting room for hours, listening to elevator music."

Bullhorn: "But if you accept one of our free tanks we will send volunteers to your house to fix it for free while you sleep!"

Buyer: "Stay away from my house, you freak!"

Bullhorn: "But..."

Buyer: "Can't you see that everyone is buying station wagons?"

[jarhed]

The fact is, Linux is synonymous with alt-coins............now I have TinyCoreLinux in my VMware, like WTF!?, do I really need another Distro/alt-coin....?

hey i like TCL. i'm gonna put it on all the old laptops i buy and use it for compiling. it'll be much nicer to compile in the comfort of the recliner instead of slaving away at my desk in front of frakenstein(thats what i named my desktop because its old case was all hacked to bits so the mobo would fit.)

Yea, I kinda like TCL.

[lophie]

Don't get overexcited guys. Installing bitcoind on TCL is kinda frustrating....

[bitcoindigi]

except for 5 steam games and some crappy wine support nothing huge changed in the linux gaming world. it's sad, but I won't use linux until they concentrate on the core problem for casuals

[Nik1ab]

except for 5 steam games and some crappy wine support nothing huge changed in the linux gaming world. it's sad, but I won't use linux until they concentrate on the core problem for casuals

*198 Steam games

[Welsh]

except for 5 steam games and some crappy wine support nothing huge changed in the linux gaming world. it's sad, but I won't use linux until they concentrate on the core problem for casuals

They do have a lot more than 5 steam games available now. Or do you mean only 5 games you like? Linux is adapting and creating a much more user friendly place for the gaming industry.

It's the developers who have to code specific for Linux, not the other way around.