Where are the merit sources?

[athanz88]

There is one thing that is missing from your aspect of thinking. Merit sources is only a human, they have their own life, they have other works, etc, they can not be here 24 hours a day and 7 days a week. They are not bot who can gives all their time and energy to this forum 24/7. So they can not go all over the posts to search for quality post, that is why some of them make a thread like QuestionAuthority did. And i guess it is not begging if we help them pointing out our best post, its just make their work easier.
That is why theymos himself stated that he needs an established member which he can trust to be a source from a specific board, because he knows that people have their favorite board/section.

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[zhekinsp]

There is one thing that is missing from your aspect of thinking. Merit sources is only a human, they have their own life, they have other works, etc, they can not be here 24 hours a day and 7 days a week. They are not bot who can gives all their time and energy to this forum 24/7. So they can not go all over the posts to search for quality post, that is why some of them make a thread like QuestionAuthority did. And i guess it is not begging if we help them pointing out our best post, its just make their work easier.
That is why theymos himself stated that he needs an established member which he can trust to be a source from a specific board, because he knows that people have their favorite board/section.

Ohhh god,can you understand what I am trying to say here,the merits are only shared in the particular section which is META,and I just saw all your secieved merits all of them are from meta section.
So,that's why no merits have been shared in other sections that is my point to say here.
so do you agree that all the good posts can't be merited?
So I think we need more merit sources for each and every section then only we can reward the quality posts.

[athanz88]

There is one thing that is missing from your aspect of thinking. Merit sources is only a human, they have their own life, they have other works, etc, they can not be here 24 hours a day and 7 days a week. They are not bot who can gives all their time and energy to this forum 24/7. So they can not go all over the posts to search for quality post, that is why some of them make a thread like QuestionAuthority did. And i guess it is not begging if we help them pointing out our best post, its just make their work easier.
That is why theymos himself stated that he needs an established member which he can trust to be a source from a specific board, because he knows that people have their favorite board/section.

Ohhh god,can you understand what I am trying to say here,the merits are only shared in the particular section which is META,and I just saw all your secieved merits all of them are from meta section.
So,that's why no merits have been shared in other sections that is my point to say here.
so do you agree that all the good posts can't be merited?
So I think we need more merit sources for each and every section then only we can reward the quality posts.

You do miss one thing again that all of my merits is not come only from the source, and why do you so angry to all meta people who got merits? I guess not all of them get it from sources, maybe from user to other user, so if you dont get it from bitcoin discussion, why dont you try to ask people of bitcoin discussion why they dont give merits? And if you want statistic about which board getting merit, feel free to look at my statistic about QA and you will be amazed on what board is getting merit from QA which will render all of your argument near to meaningless. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2947171.msg30272338#msg30272338
With the number of merit circulated by now, all of the good posts can not be meritted because the amount is small now, i dont agree with this kind of things too. But adding more sources without background checking the candidate thoroughly will only make merit system as an useless commodity later, eg alt-account as a merit source, black market seller of merit, low standart judgement of which post is good, etc.
Merit is intended to fight spam, but merit cant do it alone, it needs activity point, and the member of this forum too. There must be a change in the rules of several aspect, like campaign will need merit to receive higher payment ( a manager applied this to a campaign which i joined), campaigner needs a lot of merit to apply ( which i joined now), bounty rank restriction (i see this already happen now as bounty only for member now). Im not being a cocky person here,but this is where this forum heading right now, if we dont change ourselves, we will left behind. And i am just as scared as you, scared to be left behind.

[seven2smoke1]

Honestly, I think that high members ranks are more eligible for the merit source than lower ranks, they have more merit points to award. The right question is:" Why merit sources are mostly given merit points to high ranks members, instead, to give more merit points to low ranks members who deserve that?"
I know "merit system" is very good to improve the forum, but I don't know why I always see great posts which didn't have any single point of merit. I think high member ranks (most of them) don't care too much about low ranks who they try to improve their posts quality.

[zhekinsp]

You do miss one thing again that all of my merits is not come only from the source, and why do you so angry to all meta people who got merits? I guess not all of them get it from sources, maybe from user to other user, so if you dont get it from bitcoin discussion, why dont you try to ask people of bitcoin discussion why they dont give merits? And if you want statistic about which board getting merit, feel free to look at my statistic about QA and you will be amazed on what board is getting merit from QA which will render all of your argument near to meaningless. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2947171.msg30272338#msg30272338
With the number of merit circulated by now, all of the good posts can not be meritted because the amount is small now, i dont agree with this kind of things too. But adding more sources without background checking the candidate thoroughly will only make merit system as an useless commodity later, eg alt-account as a merit source, black market seller of merit, low standart judgement of which post is good, etc.
Merit is intended to fight spam, but merit cant do it alone, it needs activity point, and the member of this forum too. There must be a change in the rules of several aspect, like campaign will need merit to receive higher payment ( a manager applied this to a campaign which i joined), campaigner needs a lot of merit to apply ( which i joined now), bounty rank restriction (i see this already happen now as bounty only for member now). Im not being a cocky person here,but this is where this forum heading right now, if we dont change ourselves, we will left behind. And i am just as scared as you, scared to be left behind.

I didn't say all of your merits came from merit sources,I said all of your merits came from meta section.You can check that most of the merits are shared only in META section.And I just saw that QuestionAuthority is doing a good thing by sharing more merits to the bitcoin discussion.As of now he sent total of 1012 Smerits to others and half of them for the bitcoin related post(I think).But there were 71346 sMerits shared until now and most of them are in meta section and in local boards.But the main discussion of our forum is bitcoin so it doesn't get what it deserved.
I am not talking about joining about signature campaign bro,if you are earning merits for that purpose I can't say anything about it.

Honestly, I think that high members ranks are more eligible for the merit source than lower ranks, they have more merit points to award. The right question is:" Why merit sources are mostly given merit points to high ranks members, instead, to give more merit points to low ranks members who deserve that?"
I know "merit system" is very good to improve the forum, but I don't know why I always see great posts which didn't have any single point of merit. I think high member ranks (most of them) don't care too much about low ranks who they try to improve their posts quality.

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[athanz88]

Yeah just like QA said in my thread (and i like how he thinks), there is no board boundary to gives merit, so if people giving their merit on meta or local board, i guess it is not a sin, local board has some people talking about bitcoin too. That is why i asked you, why dont you try to ask people of bitcoin discussion to give merits?  Why dont you engage people there instead of accusing the merit given in the meta is not well deserved.
See you dont get what i have said. You said that merit failed to fight spam, i said it cant be succesful if there are no adjustment in other aspect like campaign rules, and im just saying an example of rules which can make all the shitposter gone, since most of them all here for the money, they will leave the forum once they feel they cant apply to a bounty/campaign because getting merit is hard, or they will grow up and become a good poster, then the shitposting and spamming will be reduced.

[zhekinsp]

Yeah just like QA said in my thread (and i like how he thinks), there is no board boundary to gives merit, so if people giving their merit on meta or local board, i guess it is not a sin, local board has some people talking about bitcoin too. That is why i asked you, why dont you try to ask people of bitcoin discussion to give merits?  Why dont you engage people there instead of accusing the merit given in the meta is not well deserved.
See you dont get what i have said. You said that merit failed to fight spam, i said it cant be succesful if there are no adjustment in other aspect like campaign rules, and im just saying an example of rules which can make all the shitposter gone, since most of them all here for the money, they will leave the forum once they feel they cant apply to a bounty/campaign because getting merit is hard, or they will grow up and become a good poster, then the shitposting and spamming will be reduced.

I like your thread,and I am not angry at you or the other people on the meta section,I didn't say it is a sin to merit in meta but you don't get my point the merits are only circulating in the meta section.

Why I have to ask to people for merits? and begging for merit is a sin in my opinion.
I thought we have merit sources for every section and their work is to find the quality posts.

I am saying to all the legendary members engage into the bitcoin discussions too other than meta section which is only about the discussing about forum not about bitcoin.

Yeah we need to change the rules of the signature campaign or it is better to completely stop signature campaigns from our forum then all the shit posters will fade away.

[achow101]

Honestly, I think that high members ranks are more eligible for the merit source than lower ranks, they have more merit points to award. The right question is:" Why merit sources are mostly given merit points to high ranks members, instead, to give more merit points to low ranks members who deserve that?"

This may happen because those high ranking members have made/make high quality posts so users will merit them. I personally have a policy of not giving out merit to anyone that is Legendary or eligible for Legendary (although that has been violated a few times by accident and during the first few days of the merit system).


The main issue is likely an issue with bubbles. For example, I only really frequent the Dev & Tech and Technical Support boards because those are ones that I moderate and find interesting. Thus the people I will merit are going to be people who post in those boards. This means that there are going to be lots of people who I don't give merit to because I don't every see their posts. So some merit sources may simply not be giving merits to high quality posts because they don't even see them.

Furthermore, there are some threads which may contain high quality posts but the thread itself is garbage and just shitposting threads. I tend to ignore these threads, and even if I were to see a high quality post in such a thread, I won't merit it because it is in what is effectively a shitposting thread (this has happened a few times as there are some shitposting threads in Dev & Tech). Merit sources may behave in a similar way.

[whirlcoin]

I can see that there are 57 merit sources are currently available who can create 11975 sMerits in the time span of 30 days.But where are them I can see lots of HQ posts on the different sections but none of them rewared with merits.Why this happens still merits sources are not enough or they concentrate only on particular sections?

By the way this forum is created for discuss about bitcoin but most of the merits are only given to the META section which is only dicsuss about the forum,so bitcoin discussion doesn't desevrves merits?
Legendary members please concentrate on other sections also other than meta section.

I agree that lots of shit posters are spamming around bitcoin discussion so new merit system failed to improve the quality?

I think we still needs more time to settle down to the new system because we still not yet complete one month of the new merit system and as per the theymls statement he will look at the new system in a month or two and will make chamges if needed.
But sadly quality posts in other sections are not getting merited and single line posts in meta and local theread getting 50 merit points.So I agree that it is only circulating on particular sections or in between the more reputed forum members.

Just wait because the main reason for the merit system is to crush the spammers maybe it needs more time and changes in the rules of signature campaign will help a lot to clean spam posts.

[athanz88]

Yeah just like QA said in my thread (and i like how he thinks), there is no board boundary to gives merit, so if people giving their merit on meta or local board, i guess it is not a sin, local board has some people talking about bitcoin too. That is why i asked you, why dont you try to ask people of bitcoin discussion to give merits?  Why dont you engage people there instead of accusing the merit given in the meta is not well deserved.
See you dont get what i have said. You said that merit failed to fight spam, i said it cant be succesful if there are no adjustment in other aspect like campaign rules, and im just saying an example of rules which can make all the shitposter gone, since most of them all here for the money, they will leave the forum once they feel they cant apply to a bounty/campaign because getting merit is hard, or they will grow up and become a good poster, then the shitposting and spamming will be reduced.

I like your thread,and I am not angry at you or the other people on the meta section,I didn't say it is a sin to merit in meta but you don't get my point the merits are only circulating in the meta section.

Why I have to ask to people for merits? and begging for merit is a sin in my opinion.
I thought we have merit sources for every section and their work is to find the quality posts.

I am saying to all the legendary members engage into the bitcoin discussions too other than meta section which is only about the discussing about forum not about bitcoin.

Yeah we need to change the rules of the signature campaign or it is better to completely stop signature campaigns from our forum then all the shit posters will fade away.

Yeah right now merit is only circulating in the meta section, because there are so many "talks" happened in the meta section, while bitcoin discussion is a home for "replying OP only" thread, maybe it is not all but the majority is. Once the topic is increased in quality, and there is a "real talks" there, maybe higher rank members will play at bitcoin discussion. That is what i propose in my post before, while looking to why meta is meritted heavily, i guess we should look at what is the problem with bitcoin discussion too.
If you really love that board that much, i guess you could make a merit giveaway thread for that board specifically or gives merit to a worthy post, that way you will make people there engaged on a merit activity (receiving and giving) so in the future there will be more merit circulating in there, and people who doesnt get merit there will learn that themself is not worthy of merit, they will leave or learn, their choice, both will make bitcoin discussion better.

[krishnaverma]

There is one thing that is missing from your aspect of thinking. Merit sources is only a human, they have their own life, they have other works, etc, they can not be here 24 hours a day and 7 days a week. They are not bot who can gives all their time and energy to this forum 24/7. So they can not go all over the posts to search for quality post, that is why some of them make a thread like QuestionAuthority did. And i guess it is not begging if we help them pointing out our best post, its just make their work easier.
That is why theymos himself stated that he needs an established member which he can trust to be a source from a specific board, because he knows that people have their favorite board/section.

1) Merit sources might be from different countries. And thus they will be active in all time zones. I have got merits on my posts made at different time intervals.

2) Theymos is adding more merit sources as per the need.

[zhekinsp]

The main issue is likely an issue with bubbles. For example, I only really frequent the Dev & Tech and Technical Support boards because those are ones that I moderate and find interesting. Thus the people I will merit are going to be people who post in those boards. This means that there are going to be lots of people who I don't give merit to because I don't every see their posts. So some merit sources may simply not be giving merits to high quality posts because they don't even see them.

Furthermore, there are some threads which may contain high quality posts but the thread itself is garbage and just shitposting threads. I tend to ignore these threads, and even if I were to see a high quality post in such a thread, I won't merit it because it is in what is effectively a shitposting thread (this has happened a few times as there are some shitposting threads in Dev & Tech). Merit sources may behave in a similar way.

But I hope the work of merit source is to reward the good quality posts so they have to find it where it is.I don't say about mega threads which contains more than 20 pages,but it is not hard for them to read the replies with less than 5 pages.
If still they can't find the quality posts then what is the solution for it increasing the number of merit soureces for each and every section may helpful.

Yeah just like QA said in my thread (and i like how he thinks), there is no board boundary to gives merit, so if people giving their merit on meta or local board, i guess it is not a sin, local board has some people talking about bitcoin too. That is why i asked you, why dont you try to ask people of bitcoin discussion to give merits?  Why dont you engage people there instead of accusing the merit given in the meta is not well deserved.
See you dont get what i have said. You said that merit failed to fight spam, i said it cant be succesful if there are no adjustment in other aspect like campaign rules, and im just saying an example of rules which can make all the shitposter gone, since most of them all here for the money, they will leave the forum once they feel they cant apply to a bounty/campaign because getting merit is hard, or they will grow up and become a good poster, then the shitposting and spamming will be reduced.

I like your thread,and I am not angry at you or the other people on the meta section,I didn't say it is a sin to merit in meta but you don't get my point the merits are only circulating in the meta section.

Why I have to ask to people for merits? and begging for merit is a sin in my opinion.
I thought we have merit sources for every section and their work is to find the quality posts.

I am saying to all the legendary members engage into the bitcoin discussions too other than meta section which is only about the discussing about forum not about bitcoin.

Yeah we need to change the rules of the signature campaign or it is better to completely stop signature campaigns from our forum then all the shit posters will fade away.

Yeah right now merit is only circulating in the meta section, because there are so many "talks" happened in the meta section, while bitcoin discussion is a home for "replying OP only" thread, maybe it is not all but the majority is. Once the topic is increased in quality, and there is a "real talks" there, maybe higher rank members will play at bitcoin discussion. That is what i propose in my post before, while looking to why meta is meritted heavily, i guess we should look at what is the problem with bitcoin discussion too.
If you really love that board that much, i guess you could make a merit giveaway thread for that board specifically or gives merit to a worthy post, that way you will make people there engaged on a merit activity (receiving and giving) so in the future there will be more merit circulating in there, and people who doesnt get merit there will learn that themself is not worthy of merit, they will leave or learn, their choice, both will make bitcoin discussion better.

But I think we have merit sources for all the section so why they are not giving merits too that section,that's why I am asking where are the merit sources.Yeah I really like the merit give away but wanna tell you something,here it is what I have

You have 2 sendable merit (sMerit) which you can send to other people.

So I can't start a merit give away with 2 sMerits.

1) Merit sources might be from different countries. And thus they will be active in all time zones. I have got merits on my posts made at different time intervals.

2) Theymos is adding more merit sources as per the need.

I checked your merit history too,most of them came from META section only,that;s why I am asking where are the merit sources.Even if they are working all the timezones still they can't find quality posts in other sections.

[seven2smoke1]

Honestly, I think that high members ranks are more eligible for the merit source than lower ranks, they have more merit points to award. The right question is:" Why merit sources are mostly given merit points to high ranks members, instead, to give more merit points to low ranks members who deserve that?"

This may happen because those high ranking members have made/make high quality posts so users will merit them. I personally have a policy of not giving out merit to anyone that is Legendary or eligible for Legendary (although that has been violated a few times by accident and during the first few days of the merit system).

I absolutely agreed with you, every member who post high quality posts, whether newbie or legendary, he can receive merit points, but the problem, you can see that some newbie, a member and Full member write good quality posts and they deserve a high amount of merit points, not just 1-2. On the other hand, you can see also some users (mostly high ranked) give a high amount of merit to (high ranked member) not to low ranks accounts, which I think probably it's unfair to low ranks members.

[Jet Cash]

On the other hand, you can see also some users (mostly high ranked) give a high amount of merit to (high ranked member) not to low ranks accounts, which I think probably it's unfair to low ranks members.

I get the feeling that this is sometimes done so that the recipient can give out the sMerit that goes with the award,

[Rotanimod Eht]

I can see that there are 57 merit sources are currently available who can create 11975 sMerits in the time span of 30 days.But where are them I can see lots of HQ posts on the different sections but none of them rewared with merits.Why this happens still merits sources are not enough or they concentrate only on particular sections?

By the way this forum is created for discuss about bitcoin but most of the merits are only given to the META section which is only dicsuss about the forum,so bitcoin discussion doesn't desevrves merits?
Legendary members please concentrate on other sections also other than meta section.

I agree that lots of shit posters are spamming around bitcoin discussion so new merit system failed to improve the quality?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendat

Here you have merit source list I guess

[Lafu]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendat

Here you have merit source list I guess

These are the existing but without the new ones !

[bigblackdeck45]

Ever since I started in this forum I have the same question running in my mind. What is a quality post? How is it judge? Is a lengthy post considered a quality post? Is a short but direct to the point qualified to be a quality post? I have seen a lot of post that are helpful and informative from low ranking members but they didn't get any merit at all. On the other hand I see a lot of high ranking members posting one liners and they get away with it. Can someone enlighten me.

[DdmrDdmr]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendat
Here you have merit source list I guess

First of all, there is normally no point to reviving old threads on the forum. This thread had been dormant for seven months and just woke up through your post from hibernation, only to find that the context has changed quite a bit and, as a result, may end up being counterproductive.

The list you mention may include some, but certainly not all not. Neither are all users on that list a Merit Source. What’s more, the 36 newly added Merit Sources have just started-off, so any try to detect them will result rather futile for the time being.

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The quality of a post is complete subjective, so the more Merit Sources and forum members in general that award merit, the more diverse criteria there will be in that definition (which is an advantage to all). There is not standard de-facto.
I personally favour more those posts that debate and express a well-versed opinion to some degree of extent, but many other sorts may qualify such as informative, witty, controversial, that expresses my opinion better than I would do, that makes me think that I may be wrong, and so on.  But that’s just me.
I also tend to look at the posting history, needed to get a rough general idea of how a poster posts, and to detect posts that may attract my attention but do not blend in with history – these are usually plagiarized and a waste of time for all since the more we need to investigate a post, the less time to be reading and meriting others.

[qwk]

The quality of a post is complete subjective, so the more Merit Sources and forum members in general that award merit, the more diverse criteria there will be in that definition (which is an advantage to all). There is not standard de-facto.
I personally favour more those posts that debate and express a well-versed opinion to some degree of extent, but many other sorts may qualify such as informative, witty, controversial, that expresses my opinion better than I would do, that makes me think that I may be wrong, and so on.

I personally tend not to reward mere opinions, but rather focus on the "information content" of a post.
I.e., if someone posts 100 lines of "I like this or that, it's so great", it's highly unlikely to result in merit.
If, OTOH, he only posts 2 lines about why he likes it, there's a good chance for him to receive merit from me.

[DdmrDdmr]

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Sure, informative is on my list, but often I fell more inclined if the post also throws-in some opinion. For example, I often encounter posts (normally thread initiators) where the author places a link and a brief (often very brief) extract of the information within the link. With a bit more effort, those kind of posts could turn into something good and meritable: making the information summary (not copy/paste) enough so that we don’t really need to follow the link to be informed, and adding and opinion in the process, can boost the post’s worth (albeit at the cost of additional time on behalf of the poster). Perhaps one key factor to consider is time: invest time to upper your chances (as opposed to throw in a 1 minute line and off to the next …).

These subtle criteria differences of focuses among meriters are good for the forum, as diversity opens more chances to be both spotted and merited.