[people who hate me please ignore this] the 1300BTC event on just-dice

[towtoad]

I’m tired of ignoring people questioning the 1300 BTC event on just-dice.com, and YES, even ignoring is tiresome. Here am I trying to explain that carefully and patiently, hoping I can do it once and for all. I know it’s hard, but I’m trying.

If you already decided not believing me, then quit the post now. It’s not worth reading. If you want to know what exactly happened, keep reading, and thank you for your patience.

That day, I withdrew all of my coins from just-dice.com under the account name of “celeste”, 1300BTC. Since it’s an amount larger than what contained in the hot wallet, I submit the withdrawal request on site, and contacted dooglus on IM. Under his guidance, I got my coins.

Shit happened. Dooglus forgot to remove 1300BTC from my balance, which I was completely unaware of.

Meanwhile, I was still a heavy investor on JD, the investment was in another account. Therefore, when I left café table for smoking and chatting with others, I still kept an eye on JD’s stat from time to time. When I noticed from my iPhone screen that my investment rose up more than 10 BTC, I thought, wow, who lost that big!

Turned out “It’s celeste!”

When I went back to my table, looked at my screen, the browser opened, and the balance is 0. If you were me, you’d think very hard to figure out what just happened. Balance changed from 0 to 0, but lost 1300BTC! I tried to contact dooglus on IM, but he’s sleeping. I left message for him, and waited.

Before that happened, I won more than 4000 bitcoins on JD, and had been discussing related issues among several friends. When I left the table, there’re three others sitting there, but none of them would admit he or she touch my computer.

“Who will left his laptop in a café, with half million dollar worth bitcoin, unprotected?” Good question. But the fact is there’s NO bitcoins in my laptop. I store part of my coins on blockchain.info, and the rest in paper wallets, no local storage at all. I cleared my account balance on JD already, (another investing account was never logged in from this laptop), were you me, could you have any incentive to protect nothing?

“You have google authentication enabled, others cannot login!” YES, but I did left that GoogleAuth barcode image on the desktop screen, which you could call it my fault.

“OK, you left your laptop in a café, and you went out to smoke, and you left the barcode image on desktop screen, but what’s the chance that a thief know just-dice.com, and know how to play?” GOOD QUESTION! Along with another good one: “… and he played just like you!”

I had been extensively discussing what I thought about JD, all of my friends knew my thoughts, my “strategy”, and some of them even tried out and won. The idea is simple enough: if you caught some patterns, you could win big and lose small. (Whether I’m in a gambler’s fallacy is beyond the topic in this post.) Any of them (even some of friends of friends) might well place bets just like me.

I respect dooglus and his project. After that event happened, I tried hard explaining details to dooglus, while realizing it’s almost impossible convincing him and others. But I did try. I’ve been a heavy investor on JD, and still am. I don’t want to do harm to JD.

With all due respect, I have to claim that the main fault came from dooglus. The starting point was he forgot clearing the already withdrawn balance. And I had a hard time too, I knew it’s one of my friends in the café that day, but had no proof to spot whodunit.

Dooglus made the decision, and rolled back database.

FACT:

• I got nothing in this event.
• No one lost any coin in this event.

No one got hurt, no coin damaged, only left me a bad reputation: a thief stole nothing. I once argued with Dooglus, “do you think if what I told you is true, I’m the only victim in that event?” People call me a thief, with nothing was stole; they call me a scam, with no proof at all.

What could I say? I did nothing wrong, I never and will not hurt anyone.

THANK you for reading.

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[lightlord]

That day, I withdrew all of my coins from just-dice.com under the account name of “nakowa”, 1300BTC. Since it’s an amount larger than what contained in the hot wallet, I submit the withdrawal request on site, and contacted dooglus on IM. Under his guidance, I got my coins.

Shit happened. Dooglus forgot to remove 1300BTC from my balance, which I was completely unaware of.

Meanwhile, I was still a heavy investor on JD, the investment was in another account. Therefore, when I left café table for smoking and chatting with others, I still kept an eye on JD’s stat from time to time. When I noticed from my iPhone screen that my investment rose up more than 10 BTC, I thought, wow, who lost that big!

Turned out “It’s nakowa!”

When I went back to my table, looked at my screen, the browser opened, and the balance is 0. If you were me, you’d think very hard to figure out what just happened. Balance changed from 0 to 0, but lost 1300BTC! I tried to contact dooglus on IM, but he’s sleeping. I left message for him, and waited.

Totally BS, what's the odds that someone in the shop knew about Bitcoins, and rushed to your laptop sitting on the desk, and immediately
started gambling 1300 Bitcoins? First that person would have to know about Bitcoins, second he would have to know about just-dice, the commands,
and buttons to click. Third he would have to input all the stuff. Fourth you would have to have someone interested in randomly going on other people laptop when they are gone. It's more then likely they would of stolen your laptop. This is EXTREMELY unlikely.

Do you really think everyone is that stupid or gullible to believe your story?

Even if its your friends lets say, its still your fault to leave your laptop unattended. Next time bring the laptop with you when you leave the table.
Don't leave it unattended. Its 100% your fault inexcusable.

Your saying this to cover yourself up, and try to make yourself look better. But it is only making yourself look worse.
Your better off not even talking about it.

[Professor James Moriarty]

 I am sorry but I did tried to read it objectively , but it is impossible for that to happen. Also , if some of your friends played and lost all of your money thats not jd problem , we dont care .

 Only mistake doog made was pay you back , he should have kept the money instead of giving it to you.

[towtoad]

Totally BS, what's the odds that someone in the shop knew about Bitcoins, and rushed to your laptop sitting on the desk, and immediately
started gambling 1300 Bitcoins? First that person would have to know about Bitcoins, second he would have to know about just-dice, the commands,
and buttons to click. Third he would have to input all the stuff. Fourth you would have to have someone interested in randomly going on other people laptop when they are gone. It's more then likely they would of stolen your laptop. This is EXTREMELY unlikely.

Do you really think everyone is that stupid or gullible to believe your story?

Even if its your friends lets say, its still your fault to leave your laptop unattended. Next time bring the laptop with you when you leave the table.
Don't leave it unattended. Its 100% your fault inexcusable.

Your saying this to cover yourself up, and try to make yourself look better. But it is only making yourself look worse.
Your better off not even talking about it.

You failed to read to the end. I have chosen your side before reading this post. Oh, you even didn't read the title carefully.

BTW: "I don't believe it" is not a good proof.

[David Chen]

I understand you  and believe yours honesty. Not because I am the investor of the LD, but from the objectivity, it seems that nobody was hurted except you...

[Professor James Moriarty]

 Investors was hurt? The people who lost money but did not got their money was pissed , like me!

 If we get our money back everytime we lost , what is the point of gambling?

  We honestly believe , even if your story is true or not , if you lost your money gambling , you lost it end of story.

 If I steal your money and gamble it away , casino will not pay you back , casino will let cops know about this and you will go to court , but nothing will happen to casino.

 In this situation , we as people who lost money gambling and never see it back , believe it was unfair that you got yours back , if you gambled it and lost its obvious what should have been done , if tough your story is true and your friends lost it , we dont care! .

[towtoad]

 Investors was hurt? The people who lost money but did not got their money was pissed , like me!

 If we get our money back everytime we lost , what is the point of gambling?

  We honestly believe , even if your story is true or not , if you lost your money gambling , you lost it end of story.

 If I steal your money and gamble it away , casino will not pay you back , casino will let cops know about this and you will go to court , but nothing will happen to casino.

 In this situation , we as people who lost money gambling and never see it back , believe it was unfair that you got yours back , if you gambled it and lost its obvious what should have been done , if tough your story is true and your friends lost it , we dont care! .

I understand completely you as an investor. However, it's not me. it's someone else using my account. I now you don't care, but the fact is you have to bear.

1. Remember, at that point, I might be an investor too.
2. What if it's the casino's fault? or at least the casino has part of responsibility? (I hate to point this out, since I'v been trying hard to be a friend of just-dice.com and dooglus, which is clearly a failure.)

[Professor James Moriarty]

 It is not tough , the money comes from your account , since your account consisted that amount of money , I dont care if it was 0.1 or 4000 , it was in your account. As long as it was on your account , doog could have helped you with like promotional code or something like 'you can drink at our bar for free' type of deal for a casino but thats it.

 Also I am not an investor that big , I am mad at the point of 'losing and still keeping the money' which we aaaaal wish to do .

[dooglus]

If you want to know what exactly happened, keep reading, and thank you for your patience.

I do want to know exactly what happened.

Meanwhile, I was still a heavy investor on JD, the investment was in another account.

Your heavy investment was already divested before you won as nakowa, and was not reinvested until September.  Here is the invest/divest log:

  Sun Jul  7 00:54:12 2013 2706.84971987
  Sun Jul  7 12:45:44 2013 -2706.9447692834683

  Sun Jul  7 14:38:37 2013 7006.94381879
  Mon Jul  8 05:33:41 2013 -7177.601611301108

  Mon Jul  8 13:11:31 2013 7177.6016113
  Tue Jul  9 05:23:59 2013 -7199.3705307143655

  Tue Jul  9 07:16:13 2013 7199.33453365
  Tue Jul  9 12:48:53 2013 -7249.307401082657

  Tue Jul  9 23:00:41 2013 7246.80875771
  Sat Jul 13 10:45:44 2013 -7289.945325680948

  [nakowa and celeste played]

  Thu Sep  5 17:55:50 2013 300.08272652
  Thu Sep  5 18:24:34 2013 -300.09267765005444

Therefore, when I left café table for smoking and chatting with others, I still kept an eye on JD’s stat from time to time. When I noticed from my iPhone screen that my investment rose up more than 10 BTC, I thought, wow, who lost that big!

The bankroll at the time was around 25k BTC.  Your 7k investment would have grown by a lot more than 10 BTC when you lost the 1300 BTC if you were still invested.

When I went back to my table, looked at my screen, the browser opened, and the balance is 0.

You told me that you had deleted your google auth code so that you could not play any more, and that you could not log in:



That contradicts your statement above that you were already logged in.

I cleared my account balance on JD already, (another investing account was never logged in from this laptop), were you me, could you have any incentive to protect nothing?

Yes, of course.  Even when I have no bitcoins on my laptop I do not leave it unattended and unlocked.  It is trivial to install malware on it which will later steal your coins.  Just because your balance is currently zero is no reason to think it is safe to leave your laptop unlocked!

“You have google authentication enabled, others cannot login!” YES, but I did left that GoogleAuth barcode image on the desktop screen, which you could call it my fault.

Who sets up two factor auth and leaves both factors on the same machine?  That makes no sense either.

With all due respect, I have to claim that the main fault came from dooglus. The starting point was he forgot clearing the already withdrawn balance.

It is true; the mistake was mine.  I was stressed and tired; you had been destroying the site's profits for hours, maybe days, and I made a mistake.  It would have been decent of you to have returned the coins, but I understand it must have been hard to resist playing them.  I find it very hard to believe the story you tell about what happened, sorry; it is just too implausible.

Edit: blurred avatar in chat screenshot as requested; text left unchanged

Edit2: blurred avatar even more

Edit3: blurred the name more; apparently you could still make it out

[dooglus]

If we get our money back everytime we lost , what is the point of gambling?

We honestly believe , even if your story is true or not , if you lost your money gambling , you lost it end of story.

I'm not sure you understand the situation.  He (or his 'friend') gambled and lost coins that he hadn't deposited.  Coins that nobody had deposited.  They weren't his coins (or his 'friend's') to play with, nor his to lose.  So by rolling back those bets, I was rolling back bets that should never have been allowed to happen.

It's a different situation from when somebody deposits and loses, since those bets are 'real'.  The coins gambled there correspond to real coins in the site's wallet.  The coins 'celeste' gambled and lost didn't correspond to any coins in the site's wallet at all.

[towtoad]

It is not tough , the money comes from your account , since your account consisted that amount of money , I dont care if it was 0.1 or 4000 , it was in your account. As long as it was on your account , doog could have helped you with like promotional code or something like 'you can drink at our bar for free' type of deal for a casino but thats it.

 Also I am not an investor that big , I am mad at the point of 'losing and still keeping the money' which we aaaaal wish to do .

OK, if you were in my position, what could you do?

1. I "had" money that I didn't know I had.
2. Some one gambled away that money.
3. I couldn't spot whodunit.
4. I lost nothing in fact.
5. nobody lost anything. (or investor lost something they hadn't have)

I think dooglus already did the right thing: roll back database, since that "money" is fake (to quote dooglus's reason), no one got lost, by rolling back, nothing happened.

[Professor James Moriarty]

 Yeah I would like to get 1300 fake bitcoins to play and just have fun too doog. That sounds great.

 Oh btw lets not forget if he won or if he realized he had 1300 , he could have withdrawn whatever was left in hot wallet , , towtoad is a disgrace to dice games , and JUST because towtoad I dont play at letsdice (after the free deal which I particpated ) Think about how much of  a great discredit you have in this community and how much you hurt letsdice reputation by being there.

[dooglus]

JUST because towtoad I dont play at letsdice

JUST because of him?

I'd have thought the compulsory extra 0.5% house edge that is taken from all players and given to the whales would help too.
And the other extra 0.48% house edge that is taken from all players and paid to the people who spam referral links everywhere.

Those two together almost double the house edge of any other modern dice game for the regular player and should be enough to convince you to find somewhere else to play even without nakowa's suspected involvement I would have thought.

[towtoad]

Oh btw lets not forget if he won or if he realized he had 1300 , he could have withdrawn whatever was left in hot wallet

Thanks god, the person didn't do that.

if I withdrew that 1300 coins, or at most 1BTC of them, then I should be blamed, which is fair.

 

[aksplace]

What did you do with the 1300 bitcoins surely not blow it all?

[towtoad]

JUST because towtoad I dont play at letsdice

JUST because of him?

I'd have thought the compulsory extra 0.5% house edge that is taken from all players and given to the whales would help too.
And the other extra 0.48% house edge that is taken from all players and paid to the people who spam referral links everywhere.

Those two together almost double the house edge of any other modern dice game for the regular player and should be enough to convince you to find somewhere else to play even without nakowa's suspected involvement I would have thought.

Oh, I hadn't have opportunity to discuss this with you.

Do you think 1% house edge is very dangerous for a casino? 1.98% is NOT a figure that comes out of no where.

[dooglus]

Do you think 1% house edge is very dangerous for a casino? 1.98% is NOT a figure that comes out of no where.

You charge the players 1.98%, give 0.50% to players who bet 0.1 BTC per bet or more, and another 0.48% to the people who spam the forum with invite codes.  That leaves 1.00% for the house, the same as the other dice sites.  So if 1% is dangerous, it's dangerous for you too.

Then you keep 80% of that 1% house edge for yourself (only 20% of shares were sold at IPO), and give 20% of it to the investors (of which well over 50% is also yourself).  So the players get charged almost 2% house edge, and the investors get less than 0.1% house edge?

Seems like both sides are getting fucked, and only you and the spammers are winning?

Or maybe I've misunderstood something.

[Professor James Moriarty]

Yeah exactly , I would have understand %1.98 to pay off expenses and make profit , but paying it to refferal spammers and whales a bit too much for my taste.

 Even tough that , I could have tried , like 0.1 or so just to enjoy a new fresh page,  but just because of towtoad I dont , maybe I will get all my balance stolen from me and be asked 'maybe someone else used your computer' excuse , so just in case I do not deposit anything there.

[dooglus]

If you want to know what exactly happened, keep reading, and thank you for your patience.

I do want to know exactly what happened.

I saw the following in the Just-Dice chat:

(124844) <bertha> nakowa: did you reply to doog's post regarding your history ?
(124844) <bertha> because he showed some clear evidence that you told lies in that "true history"
(2548) <nakowa> I read that. and replied.

If you replied, I missed it.  Where is your reply?

[towtoad]

I thought I have replied, turned out didn't write here.

... and this is my final reply to this post.

Therefore, when I left café table for smoking and chatting with others, I still kept an eye on JD’s stat from time to time. When I noticed from my iPhone screen that my investment rose up more than 10 BTC, I thought, wow, who lost that big!

The bankroll at the time was around 25k BTC.  Your 7k investment would have grown by a lot more than 10 BTC when you lost the 1300 BTC if you were still invested.

YES, the final profit grew much more than 10BTC. It was happening, which took me a "long" time to figure out.

When I went back to my table, looked at my screen, the browser opened, and the balance is 0.

You told me that you had deleted your google auth code so that you could not play any more, and that you could not log in:
That contradicts your statement above that you were already logged in.

I deleted google auth from my mobile device, but the barcode was left on my desktop screen. (This is the most hard part to explain.)

“You have google authentication enabled, others cannot login!” YES, but I did left that GoogleAuth barcode image on the desktop screen, which you could call it my fault.

Who sets up two factor auth and leaves both factors on the same machine?  That makes no sense either.

I did. And never will.