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Have you ever wondered what would happen if you didn't pay traffic tickets? I'm in California and I have two tickets, and I'm tired of the fascist extortionist state.  My idea; if I can get 10BTC donated I will let you the forum/people decide what I do:
Option 1: Ignore the tickets and letters up to a notice of "Your License will be Suspended in X days"
Option 2: Try to fight the tickets with standard Trial by Declartion (already tried and lost for one ticket recently)
Option 3: Send a letter and include the fantastic video showing how speed limits are not aimed at safety at all:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BKdbxX1pDwThis could be like an ongoing Audience decided 'Reality Show', I can post updates on YouTubeWhy 10BTC? that's close to the fine amount I'd be paying and only Nakamoto knows how much this fiasco will eventually cost me  You can donate to: 18gz9b1d7AbXZnafH6Jx5mzpX2EJoG87ss(someone quote this so we know it's not changed) |
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September 22, 2013, 02:20:04 AM |
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You can donate to:
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(someone quote this so we know it's not changed)
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420 (OP)
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September 22, 2013, 03:37:25 AM |
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If everything works out I'll simply forward the 10BTC donated funds to the effort to make a speeding license: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=238506.0 |
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cp1
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September 22, 2013, 03:42:38 AM |
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Highway speed limits are set so that cars use less gas.
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420 (OP)
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September 22, 2013, 03:52:52 AM |
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Highway speed limits are set so that cars use less gas.
This is not the end/purpose of 'speeding' laws but this topic is on what you want me to do with my tickets It will be for your entertainment! |
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September 22, 2013, 03:58:17 AM |
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Highway speed limits are set so that cars use less gas.
The US Government forces imported cars to use more gas to increase gas usage. For example there are no BMW 316i in the US, there are only 318. While in Europe the 316 is more common. This is to force people to use more gas. related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsZWOjk9hzQ |
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September 22, 2013, 06:48:20 AM |
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Who writes the vehicle code? specificially California's
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September 22, 2013, 02:29:38 PM |
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First of all I am not a lawyer. Follow this strategy at your own risk.
I have seen this strategy used successfully before fighting tickets. basically it goes like this...
You get to court, you are allowed to speak and you ask the judge...
"Do I have a right to a fair and impartial hearing in this court today?"
The judge should reply in the affirmative. Then you will ask...
"Your honor who is bringing fourth this complaint against me today?"
He will reply "The State of California."
You will then ask...
"Your honor who do you represent here today?"
He will reply:
"The State of California."
You then ask:
"Your honor, if the plaintiff here today is The State of California, and you represent The State of California, how is it possible for me to receive a fair hearing today in this court?"
He at this point has two choices...
1. He dismisses the case and leaves the court with his robes in a bunch.
2. He really hits you hard with everything he can think of such as maximum punishments for your ticket, contempt of court, etc. You might think this is a loss, but this is really a win. Why is that? Because if he continues with the charges after you have demonstrated the hearing is impartial you put the judge into the realm of PERSONAL CIVIL LIABILITY, meaning you can now sue the piss out of him and take HIS SHIT. They usually know this and use the threats as a form of intimidation. At this point you could remind him of his civil liability, or you could let him heap on the charges and then take all his crap later when you sue him. Obviously this option is only useful if you wish to actually sue him.
Again follow this strategy at your own risk. I am not a lawyer. I have however seen pissed off judges storm out of the court room after a scenario like this.
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September 22, 2013, 02:33:46 PM |
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First of all I am not a lawyer. Follow this strategy at your own risk.
I have seen this strategy used successfully before fighting tickets. basically it goes like this...
You get to court, you are allowed to speak and you ask the judge...
"Do I have a right to a fair and impartial hearing in this court today?"
The judge should reply in the affirmative. Then you will ask...
"Your honor who is bringing fourth this complaint against me today?"
He will reply "The State of California."
You will then ask...
"Your honor who do you represent here today?"
He will reply:
"The State of California."
You then ask:
"Your honor, if the plaintiff here today is The State of California, and you represent The State of California, how is it possible for me to receive a fair hearing today in this court?"
He at this point has two choices...
1. He dismisses the case and leaves the court with his robes in a bunch.
2. He really hits you hard with everything he can think of such as maximum punishments for your ticket, contempt of court, etc. You might think this is a loss, but this is really a win. Why is that? Because if he continues with the charges after you have demonstrated the hearing is impartial you put the judge into the realm of PERSONAL CIVIL LIABILITY, meaning you can now sue the piss out of him and take HIS SHIT. They usually know this and use the threats as a form of intimidation. At this point you could remind him of his civil liability, or you could let him heap on the charges and then take all his crap later when you sue him. Obviously this option is only useful if you wish to actually sue him.
Again follow this strategy at your own risk. I am not a lawyer. I have however seen pissed off judges storm out of the court room after a scenario like this.
Check with a lawyer before attempting this strategy  |
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September 22, 2013, 04:24:29 PM |
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People always dream big of sticking it to the man.
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September 22, 2013, 04:47:40 PM
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ITT: people who don't know shit about law. Your only hope of getting out of the ticket is proving you didn't do it, or the law is unconstitutional. Saying the "law is not effective at doing x" WILL NOT GET YOU ACQUITTED. If it did work, why has no lawyer ever tried this argument? The US Government forces imported cars to use more gas to increase gas usage. For example there are no BMW 316i in the US, there are only 318. While in Europe the 316 is more common. This is to force people to use more gas. related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsZWOjk9hzQshowing a youtube video is the least professional way, and possibly the least convincing way to present your argument. |
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420 (OP)
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September 22, 2013, 05:27:19 PM |
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People always dream big of sticking it to the man.
I just want to be left alone; not a slave; able to travel freely by the most prevalent and popular and safe method with an automobile that I own and am very familiar with how to be safe in using it. ITT: people who don't know shit about law. Your only hope of getting out of the ticket is proving you didn't do it, or the law is unconstitutional. Saying the "law is not effective at doing x" WILL NOT GET YOU ACQUITTED. If it did work, why has no lawyer ever tried this argument? The US Government forces imported cars to use more gas to increase gas usage. For example there are no BMW 316i in the US, there are only 318. While in Europe the 316 is more common. This is to force people to use more gas. related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsZWOjk9hzQshowing a youtube video is the least professional way, and possibly the least convincing way to present your argument. I'm not trying the best to get out of it; i was doing it for your entertainment and to see what happens; thus accepting donations for some compensation for my risks in doing this Thanks TECSHARE, so this worked in California? This is the first court 'hearing' date I assume otherwise it would be an officer against me |
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September 22, 2013, 05:31:53 PM |
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ITT: people who don't know shit about law. Your only hope of getting out of the ticket is proving you didn't do it, or the law is unconstitutional. Saying the "law is not effective at doing x" WILL NOT GET YOU ACQUITTED. If it did work, why has no lawyer ever tried this argument? The US Government forces imported cars to use more gas to increase gas usage. For example there are no BMW 316i in the US, there are only 318. While in Europe the 316 is more common. This is to force people to use more gas. related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsZWOjk9hzQshowing a youtube video is the least professional way, and possibly the least convincing way to present your argument. Ive had 11 Nolles, all I had to do was put on a tie and say I was sorry. Two of the nolles didn't even require me to show up to court - I got the notification by mail. No knowledge of law needed here. Plead not guilty. |
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420 (OP)
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September 22, 2013, 05:41:30 PM |
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My goal is not to apologize or get off
my goal is to start a revolution in new thinking or ideas; yeah, virtually impossible
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September 22, 2013, 05:43:57 PM |
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I just want to be left alone; not a slave; able to travel freely by the most prevalent and popular and safe method with an automobile that I own and am very familiar with how to be safe in using it.
There are a lot of people who drive dangerously. They believe they're safe at driving too. By allowing everyone to drive by their own judgement, there'd be no way to prosecute those that are reckless. Unfortunately, the good, safe drivers are thus punished. If there's anyone to blame, it's the dodgy drivers. BTW, I'm not making a judgement on your driving just that everyone wants to be 'free' to enjoy their vehicle. |
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September 22, 2013, 05:46:31 PM |
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My goal is not to apologize or get off
my goal is to start a revolution in new thinking or ideas; yeah, virtually impossible
You want to fight tickets based on a technicality when police don't even need to show up for your court date anymore? You'll need a lawyer, but I think they're occupied getting not guilty verdicts for all the zimmermans of the world. Good luck tho. |
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420 (OP)
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September 22, 2013, 05:53:55 PM |
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I just want to be left alone; not a slave; able to travel freely by the most prevalent and popular and safe method with an automobile that I own and am very familiar with how to be safe in using it.
There are a lot of people who drive dangerously. They believe they're safe at driving too. By allowing everyone to drive by their own judgement, there'd be no way to prosecute those that are reckless. Unfortunately, the good, safe drivers are thus punished. If there's anyone to blame, it's the dodgy drivers. BTW, I'm not making a judgement on your driving just that everyone wants to be 'free' to enjoy their vehicle. my car doesn't autodrive; it is driven by my judgement. did you watch this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BKdbxX1pDw |
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September 22, 2013, 05:54:38 PM |
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I don't know how it works in California, but in Canada they simply throw you in jail = criminal record.
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September 22, 2013, 05:56:11 PM |
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I don't know how it works in California, but in Canada they simply throw you in jail = criminal record.
I've already been arrested before. America will arrest you for nothing. I know that's true with most every country |
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September 22, 2013, 06:00:36 PM |
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I don't know how it works in California, but in Canada they simply throw you in jail = criminal record.
They don't incarcerate you for debts in Canada. Not sure how it works in Quebec, but in Alberta if you don't pay your tickets you simply lose registration access. You can no longer renew your driver's license, car registration, etc. It's the same as if you don't pay child support. |
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