candoo tried to scam

[SebastianJu]

I thought hard and wrote with others what to do. The problem is that this maybe will destroy his presence here since i know other usernames of him too.

Firstly... he is a hero member and i traded several thousands of euro with him successfully. Even in person. I had the impression he is a fine person and trustworthy. I never had to doubt him.

Thats why i thought alot about what to do. Others told me, and i think its the best thing to do now, that i should warn and write that he behaved good till now. So everyone can make his own picture. I dont have a clue why he tried this scam. It was a saturday so it might be that he was drunk or something shitty like that. But he didnt contact me the next day, what i would have awaited when he really was in a strange state at that time.

What happened?

Yifu, the owner of Avalon decided to allow to refund 10k chip batches of avalon chips. Since i had done a groupbuy that bought 5.6 batches of chips together the batchnumbers were known publicly. The form was not very good. One only had to enter the batchnumber and an address for the refund.

Before i found the email from avalon that refunds are allowed i already got two emails from yifu in my emailaccount. Yifu was asking if he really should refund to an address.





I wondered... i didnt ask for a refund yet. I checked the address with google and found this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=266729.msg2853481#msg2853481



Its candoo offering escrow with that address. That only could mean candoo tried to get the refund from 2 of our batches. Which would mean scamming yifu, me or my groupbuy members.

I made pictures (see above) and i copied the php of the forum post in case he edits the posting. I can provide that if needed.

I then contacted him. The conversation was this way:

Erklärst du mir warum du Avalon Chip batch refunds für unseren batch 1 und 2 auf deine Adresse beantragt hast?

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Will you explain to me why you requested refund for our avalon chip batches 1 and 2 to your address?

dachte das formular wäre fake

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I thought the form would be fake.

kam denn was an???
Bitcoin Address:
1AZuwiP1vGfhYLym3cVEgSYEtyUsg8ra7X
Private Key (Wallet Import Format):
*SebastianJu:I censored this out just in case*

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came something in???
Bitcoin address:
private key...

Natürlich kam nichts an da ich das nicht bestätigt habe.

Ich muss aber schon sagen dass ich jetzt richtig enttäuscht bin. Deine Erklärung ist Blödsinn. Yifu hat auch in der Vergangenheit so ein Form gemacht das funktionierte und er hat dieses neue Form per Newsletter verteilt. Das ist natürlich kein Fake. Und dass du deine eigene Adresse zum testen reinsetzt. Tut mir leid... ich hab dich bisher echt für vertrauenswürdig gehalten.

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Of course nothing came since i didnt confirm it.
But i have to say that i now are really disappointed. Your explaination is nonsense. Yifu has created such refund forms in the past already and it worked. And he has spread this new form via newsletter. Thats of course no fake. And that you used your own address... im sorry... till now i thought you were trustworthy.

wolte dich nur wecken mit der benachrichtigungsmail;)

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I only wanted to wake you up with the info mail

Ernsthaft... würdest du dir selbst glauben?

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Seriously... would you believe yourself?

ne. klingt blöd:D

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No... sounds silly.

Ich schätze du hast vergessen dass du die Adresse schon mal gepostet hast. Man, ich glaub nicht dass ich das so stehen lassen kann da das ja schon einiges über dich aussagt.

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I guess you forgot that you posted that address already. Man, i dont believe i can leave this standing like this since this says not a small thing about you.

mir war die bekanntheit der adresse durchaus bewusst

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I was fully aware of the prominence of the address.

Soso. Und du bist nicht auf die Idee gekommen meine Batchadresse einzusetzen damit ich informiert werde? Würdest du dir das jetzt glauben?
Ganz ehrlich, mir kommts vor wie wenn du mal probieren wolltest ob du die Erstattung kriegen kannst, ich vielleicht aus Versehen auf einen Bestätigungslink klicke. Und du ganz vergessen hattest dass du die Adresse schon mal benutzen wolltest.
Ich verstehs nich... Transaktionen mit dir waren immer ok... war der Belohnungstopf zu verlockend oder was wars?

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Soso. And you didnt get the idea to put my batchaddress in so that i get informed? Would you believe yourself this now?
Really, it looks to me like you tried to get the refund, i maybe make an error and click on a confirmationlink. And you only forgot that you already wanted to use that address once.
I dont understand it... transactions with you were always ok... was the reward pot to nice or what was it?

ne ich trolle mit dem acc hier doch eh nur noch rum

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No, i only troll around with that account anymore.

Also ein Wegwerfaccount bei dem es nicht schadet wenn er auf die Scammerliste kommt? Ernsthaft? Ich dachte eigentlich du hast da schon eine Weile dran gearbeitet. Und ich weiß ja auch noch ein, zwei andere Accounts von dir.
Ich bleib dabei... ist enttäuschend.

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So its a throw away account where it doesnt hurt when he gets on the scammer list? Really? I thought you work a while on it already. And i know one, two other accounts from you too.
I remain... its disappointing.

lass dir doch alle fünf refunden und flieg mit nem "IAM RICH,BITCH!" tshirt nach thailand oder amerika 

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Why dont you let you refund all five and fly with a tshirt "IAM RICH,BITCH!" to thailand or america.

Sorry, dachte echt wir haben da ähnliche Vorstellungen. Aber ich denk nicht dass das noch irgendwie zu klären ist.

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Sorry, i really thought we have similar thoughts about that. But i dont think that this can be cleared now anymore.

ich trolle doch schon wieder:D es ist samstag abend!:D

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I troll already again its saturday afternoon!

Thats all. I didnt have contact with him now anymore. I only noticed he changed his avatar to a dschihadist and throws around reservations about muslims. Looks to me like he creates an explaination of trolling or even a stolen account.
And i believe he had a groupbuy he moved to another user then. I dont have a clue if the new owner is a different person. I only observed it. I copied the timestamps so you can see when this happened.
Anyway... im disappointed because i know him in person.

There might be that he was drunk but then he would have contacted me next day and apologize. Didnt happen. So i doubt thats the explaination.

Ok, i wrote it down so you can make your own picture. Im sorry if that means to destroy a hero member but i think there is no better way.

Candoo has other usernames i know for sure: SOFORTGELD (I thought he had another username that changed Euro<->BTC but i dont find it. Maybe this was his only.)

[dddbtc]

Really? I haven't done any business with candoo. But I just felt the need to post here and tell you that I commend you for the work you have done for the community managing multiple batches of avalon chips.  It sucks that everything with BitSynCom went the way it did, but anyone willing to exploit this set of particularly bad circumstances in order to rip off the community at large is taking things to a new level of disparity and lowliness.

Hope everything goes well for you, can't wait until everything regarding these batches is water under the bridge.

[SebastianJu]

Really? I haven't done any business with candoo. But I just felt the need to post here and tell you that I commend you for the work you have done for the community managing multiple batches of avalon chips.  It sucks that everything with BitSynCom went the way it did, but anyone willing to exploit this set of particularly bad circumstances in order to rip off the community at large is taking things to a new level of disparity and lowliness.

Hope everything goes well for you, can't wait until everything regarding these batches is water under the bridge.

The refunds, batches and chips are safe. Nothing happened since i saw that the address isnt mine. Luckily.
Most of the chips were refunded and already were refunded to the groupbuymembers. 10000 are with burnin already and another 1015 will be shipped to me tomorrow. When i spread them to the buyers the whole groupbuy is over... finally...

[Tomatocage]

I recall accusations of Candoo being a scammer back in 2011. I'll flag him until this issue is clarified.

[Kashim]

wow i cant belive candoo is an scammer... not.

i tould you guys since 6 months or so

since i wantet to join candoos grp buy the last year and askid him some critical questions, and he just tould me he wants my bitcoins i was 1000% sure hes just an scammer.

[Tomatocage]

wow i cant belive candoo is an scammer... not.

i tould you guys since 6 months or so

since i wantet to join candoos grp buy the last year and askid him some critical questions, and he just tould me he wants my bitcoins i was 1000% sure hes just an scammer.

People were saying it 2 years ago. /hipster

[amigaman]

Maybe using the publicly available address was a genious idea: he could go all the way "everyone could have used it, it was publicly available, don't blame me".
But then, maybe, he got drunk and forgot about his plan.....

[Micky25]

I always perceived Candoo as the perfect prototype of a scammer, lying in ambush and waiting for chances to rip people of. But as his behaviour is so obvious, he is no real danger IMO.

In this particular case, well, everyone could have done this. This form was setup by Yifu the same way he does everthing else, half-assed and sluttish.

The current behaviour of Candoo reminds me of a child, caught red handed after throwing eggs at houses. The whole thing is a silly prank, maybe malicious, but harmless.
But well done making it public.

[Gordon Bleu]

He admited it, "dachte das Formular wäre fake"
probably next Step claiming that the Account was stolen ?


too lazy to push a Button for a new Address ?

[Tomatocage]

Funny thing is he PM'd me wanting to know about the scam accusations from 2 years ago. Seems like he was more concerned about that than clearing up this more pressing matter.

[Akka]

Oh wow! That's heavy.

I did the ID Escrow for his Group buy. On the 18-09-2013 I announced officially that I consider him being on default: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=286962.msg3180762#msg3180762


Seems like he has stopped to care about his reputation at all. Sad, I still was confident that he could have got out of this with a light bruise.  

[phantastisch]

These are some bad news...

I did as a consequence step down my trust depth to 0 temporarily since i do not want to trust candoo and some of my trusted contacts do. I discovered this , this morning.

Another alt of candoo is carolstreet444. I know this firsthand.

I really hoped he started getting his shit together again...

[Freedom24]

Candoo is a scammer.

I don't get the Refund from a other Group Buy. And many other's too.

[Otto Hahn]

Are you sure that it was him who requested the refund? It may be a enemy or hater of him who wanted to damage his reputation?

Did he confirm it ? Maybe he just enjoyed the attention given through the circumstances? Another fact may be that some of his haters requested the refund.

I mean why didnt he delete his posting with the adress immediately after you messaged him? He may be blessed from his hater and didnt deny the accusation? He could use the false    accusation against him to buy his own shares back for cheap money..

Anyone think about this?



EDIT: after some research it looks like he own a avalon groupbuy?  This seems strange to me. He could have scammed 300 BTC or more with the avalons. Why didnt he do it? He pays weekly dividends.. this look legitime to me and not like a scammer

[DaFool]

Maybe he is a selective scammer. That way you can scam / hold back a few btc here and there without ever really getting in trouble.

[Otto Hahn]

Maybe he is a selective scammer. That way you can scam / hold back a few btc here and there without ever really getting in trouble.

Maybe a prank scam or something? Nothing serious?

Is there any proof or information about a scam that really happend? This thread here is not about a scam because he didnt scam anyone. Or did he receive the money?

It still makes no sense for me why his avalon groupbuy is running so perfectly smoothly. Maybe he has two personalitys? Didnt Avalon offer refund for batch 3? He could have received the 300 btc and made a "bye bye guys"

Firstly... he is a hero member and i traded several thousands of euro with him successfully. Even in person. I had the impression he is a fine person and trustworthy. I never had to doubt him.

Maybe really two personalitys? I kind of defend him because he exchanged a lot of money in cash for me with bitcoins. It was a huge number of Euros and he told me that he exchanged euro/btc for others too.

I suspect some other reason why is he doing this. Anyone with serious intrest may get information via private message. I know his license plate as well

[Micky25]

I don't know of any groupbuys managed by him. But it seems he is cornered by refund requests of a shady, failed and sold hosting operation. Could be he wants to make a Nakamoto and needs some financing.

[Freedom24]

Maybe he is a selective scammer. That way you can scam / hold back a few btc here and there without ever really getting in trouble.

Maybe a prank scam or something? Nothing serious?

Is there any proof or information about a scam that really happend? This thread here is not about a scam because he didnt scam anyone. Or did he receive the money?

It still makes no sense for me why his avalon groupbuy is running so perfectly smoothly. Maybe he has two personalitys? Didnt Avalon offer refund for batch 3? He could have received the 300 btc and made a "bye bye guys"

Firstly... he is a hero member and i traded several thousands of euro with him successfully. Even in person. I had the impression he is a fine person and trustworthy. I never had to doubt him.

Maybe really two personalitys? I kind of defend him because he exchanged a lot of money in cash for me with bitcoins. It was a huge number of Euros and he told me that he exchanged euro/btc for others too.

I suspect some other reason why is he doing this. Anyone with serious intrest may get information via private message. I know his license plate as well

In the avalon groupbuy from candoo don't was all rigth. Some Shareholders had differences of opinion how to handle and they don't was agree with candoo's handling.

I think, that Otto Hahn is a account from candoo. Candoo have some more accounts in this forum.

Here is the topic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=286962.0 who we discuss his bfl groupbuy in the german community.

Fact is that candoo had change the terms of this groupbuys so that the new terms very bad for the Shareholders.  

He don't refund in BTC. He want only refund in Euro and with a Banktransaction. He will for the refund our name and our adress. Fact is that very few people write that he get the refund. (It is possible that is was candoo'S accounts). But on the other view many people who give him his data from the bank account the name and the address don't get the refund. And they wait now much longer than the deadline for the refund was. There are given maybe ten people who don't get the refund and the deadline is over.

Candoo try to make a profit in the german marketplace without any regard to anything and whatever legal or not legal.

Candoo's reputation don't can be more worse. He try some more times to cheat in his buisness. And he troll the whole german forum with his other accounts  and he lies notorious and don't write the trust.
 
He need definity a scammer tag to warn other from candoo.

And we need two other moderators for the german subforum. This mods allow candoo (and his other nicks) that handling. The mods don't act or they perform very desolate. For example. The mods don't delete insults after I report it.

[SebastianJu]

Maybe using the publicly available address was a genious idea: he could go all the way "everyone could have used it, it was publicly available, don't blame me".
But then, maybe, he got drunk and forgot about his plan.....

I thought about that possibility soon after i found the emails and that its candoo's address. I mean i know him and i did business with him in the thousands without problems. I even met him in person. So i thought this might be someone hurting him. Thats why i thought i should write pm's to him carefully and find out what he says. Not giving him an excuse from the start. Because i thought when he really did this he probably looked into his wallet, saw that the address was unused and forgot that he already tried to use it. So that my accusation would be a surprise to him. At the end he admitted that he filled the form. I was surprised but i thought its a proof beyond doubt now that he really did it since he stated it himself.
I guess mods can check all the pm to see what was written.

[Tomatocage]

It's kinda LOL that he cultivated that account for 2 years hoping to score big, but then fucked it all up