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September 23, 2013, 10:05:40 PM
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Thats why you just dont bother betting ans KEEPING your winnings online once you log off!

Always withdraw your winnings!!
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September 23, 2013, 10:50:35 PM
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i made video from my screen with my account history and transaction list on it,  to have more evidence before other faking happens or i cannot access to the site
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September 23, 2013, 11:38:11 PM
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first i sent this picture to bitcoinlivebets, but nothing happend



here is the evidence that bitcoinlivebets faked my account history, and added a false/fake bet to my account

they also modified my first 12 BTC (half of my current balance at that moment 24,24 BTC, i decided to withdraw only half)  withdrawal to 1.2  BTC and the second one 20.89 btc  to 2.089 btc

the last two columns (that i created, you can check it if you start from the button and add the stakes, winnings and loss) shows the current account balance at that moment , the false balance and the real one
if you  count with the faked 1.2 BTC  withdrawal amount then the balance will be 31,69 BTC before they added the fake bet to my history  with 29,601 stake ,  and so remain only 2,089 BTC  on my account

but if i count with the real amount 12 BTC then the account balance will be 20,89 BTC before that fake bet, what a suprise  my second requested withdrawal amount

or can it be only coincidence that  if i count that way the sums equals

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September 24, 2013, 01:27:19 PM
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those who do not want to read all posts, here are the significant facts

i made 2 withdrawals 12 BTC and 20.89 BTC

-   but i got only 1.2 BTC and 2.089 BTC  (so only 10%)
-   and bitcoinlivebets added a fake bet to my account  


Total number of games 20.5 Romeo, Caroline - Szupper, Marlies   o   -147
Stake: 29,601000 BTC (Bet by slip 29,601000 BTC), Possible winnings: 0,000000 BTC

bitcoinlivebets claim that
   

-   in their first reply they talking about voiding my bets , breaking their rules  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300044.msg3216511#msg3216511)  and ” are not able to pay more than the amounts of 1.2 and 2.089 BTC „  but nothing about the fake bet (i have never placed) i earlier asked them what this bet is  http://www.imageupload.co.uk/files/mrktze2sf9ccml1l62jz.jpg )
-   i placed 10 times more amount (29,601 BTC) on that fake bet, despite of earlier my highest stake was only 3 BTC
-   they increased their maximum bet amount on 9/17/2013 , but i put my whole account balance on a noname itf tennis match, insted of such players matches as Radwanska, Gulbis, Cornet ,Becker and only after the 8th match where i could bet on with higher amount (you can check my 8 bets that i placed after 9/17/2013 , max. 2 and 3 BTC  round sums, no decimal point  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300044.msg3220301#msg3220301 )
-   i withdrawed first only 1.2 BTC when my account balance was 24,24 BTC (not the half 12 BTC, only 1.2)  (in my bitcoin wallet i have more than 1000 bitcoins and i have fun with withdrawing 1.2 BTC)
-   they know that i will make another withdrawal request and so they paid it out only 53 hours later
-   i placed that fake bet when my account balance was 31,69 BTC, i opened the bet slip and typed 29,601,  consider i have never placed 3 decimal points sums,  insted of round sums at 10 times less stakes
-   and after my lost fake bet i withdrawed the remaining 2.089 BTC , and i got it after 21 hours without charged any fee (but earlier they always charged me and their customers with 0.5% fee)
-   it is only coincidence that if you count with 12 BTC withdrawal in the account balance history then exactly 20.89 remaning in my account before the they added the false bet , which equals exactly my second withdrawal request amount  (you can check it in here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300044.msg3220958#msg3220958 )

so i had to bet on that tennis match exactly 29,601  beacuse with other amount the 12 -> 1.2  and 20.89 -> 2.089 conversation wont match  
(do not forget that bitcoinlivebets admit/shared those numbers too https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300044.msg3220958#msg3220958 )



the fake bet match was a quarterfinal match , the winner gets $245  

(ITF Women’s Circuit $10,000 – 32 Draw (2% Fee = $200)
32 Singles 16 Doubles (per team)

Winner $1,568 $637
Finalist $ 980 $343
Semi-finalist $ 490 $196
Quarter-finalist $ 245 $ 98
Round of 16 $ 196 $ 49
Round of 32 $ 98 -
Total $7,644 $2,156

29,601 BTC is about $3600

(so if you are interested in it is time to you to launch a betting mafia, you could bet on itf tennis matches about 30 BTC on every market, (with multiple accounts more and more)  at bitcoinlivebets ,and you have to pay only a little sum to the cheating tennis player  , that would be the last day of a bookmaker who would accept such high stakes on such matches )

the maximum bet is on their site 3 BTC at this time



"Minimum bet: 0.001 BTC, maximum bet 3 BTC per bet combination"
after 5 minutes form my post , where i said that the max is only 3 BTC , the staring page changed  



"Minimum bet: 0.001 BTC"  
on there site there is nothing about withdrawal fees, of course they will update after my post, but you can check it in google site cache service

Earlier i  had 2 more withdrawals : with 0.5% fee   in my lost account , not in the new one
3 BTC --> 2.98511 BTC  
https://blockchain.info/tx/f15ef48d160b8a37f3a1bcf658146cb44674685dcfc5258c97910f7376e78ad6

26,474 BTC --> 9.93273311 BTC  +  16.40947689 BTC  =  26,34220799 ( i got this in 2 transactions)

https://blockchain.info/tx/73fed1684d8240f943245148951753dd1ec37b21ba21506d68a9a19e8cfe1e54
https://blockchain.info/tx/92080917a31320a17bd8f64d01f7271f54341593aa9e902c53ef8f41e8b0ad83

and here are the last two grabled withdrawals, without any fee  (1.2 and 2.089 insted of  12 and 20.89)

https://blockchain.info/de/tx/0954400b3b0a4d90063c2fc14e822a371dd58f5e0425cc2f5d1839187694eb06
https://blockchain.info/de/tx/a83779b04c91a6803b3d86bdd1378eeaee0834c2efe30ccb45a50ffc5aebd21b

(here i do not understand why the input output is much higher than the Estimated BTC Transacted)

there are 32 hours difference beetween the withdrawal requests but i got them only 2 minutes difference 53 hours (2 days 5 hours) later from my 1st withdrawal request (you can check it in the first bitcoinlivebets post in  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300044.msg3217793#msg3217793   )

bitcoinlivebets refered that they paid me out earlier 26 BTC,  but it is normal , i do not understand, perhaps they think if they paid me out earlier they did me a favor
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September 24, 2013, 06:49:21 PM
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sorry we wrote a lot of answers to you. Also discussed it here.  We have more than 600Users. There has been no problem like you anytime before.

If you want you can sure place bets in the future also on our page.

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September 24, 2013, 08:46:01 PM
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i am an active old forum member on these sites too

Join Date: 08-09-10   http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/2593238-bicoinlivetbets-stealing-all-my-winnings-30btc-3600-a.html

Registered: Nov 21, 2012  http://www.bookmakersforum.com/bookmakers/bitcoinlivebets-stealing-all-my-winnings-30btc-3600/264  

i was invited to betatest to the new site of bookmakersforum  (" I (Pierluigi Buccioli, Founder of Bookmakers Review )  decided to invite a small number of players that" )





i withdrawed 28.000 EUR form mtgox in January ,  you can check it in my earlier post,  ( i got only this amount after 40 days,  there is also a topic in here, i think everybody knows about slow withdrawal of mtgox)
i got the  “Trusted” Status (Level 2)
"ALL documents must be notarized with apostille (this is mandatory and applies to customers from the countries listed under the Apostille Convention https://support.mtgox.com/entries/22138375-Apostille-needed-countries) and sent by priority mail to the address at the bottom of this page."

i share this because i think you have to know that i am not a little liar stupid kid

so you can take me seriously , when i claim that  bitcoinlivebets fake my account
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September 25, 2013, 02:22:26 PM
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http://www46.zippyshare.com/v/82456415/file.html

if you have 5 minutes , please do some math , only adding numbers
you will see the reason why the fake bet stake is exactly 29,601 BTC

cos the 12 -> 1.2 and 20.89  -> 2.089 (withdrawal amount faking) conversation only could be matched with that abnormal stake
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September 26, 2013, 08:00:13 PM
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here is my 2 regular withdrawals when bitcoinlivebets charged the amount 0.5% :  
(on there site there is nothing about withdrawal fees, of course they will update after my post, but you can check in in google site cache service)

3 BTC --> 2.98511 BTC https://blockchain.info/tx/f15ef48d160b8a37f3a1bcf658146cb44674685dcfc5258c97910f7376e78ad6
about 26,474 BTC (i dont know the correct amount, lost my details) --> 9.93273311 BTC  +  16.40947689 BTC  =  26,34220799 ( i got this in 2 transactions)

https://blockchain.info/tx/73fed1684d8240f943245148951753dd1ec37b21ba21506d68a9a19e8cfe1e54
https://blockchain.info/tx/92080917a31320a17bd8f64d01f7271f54341593aa9e902c53ef8f41e8b0ad83



now bitcoinlivebets try to mislead bitcoincasinopro   with these transaction  that was more than 1 month ago  , check it  2013-08-28 12:47:16

as i wrote it earlier i had a lost account at their site
it can be found in my first post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300044.msg3216511#msg3216511

"please, I moved another flat and i lost my password for this site and the password for my email address, so it was impossible to recover it and use it."

tha account we are talking about and faked was registered at  2013.08.29. 13:29  

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September 26, 2013, 08:34:26 PM
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i am registered at more than 70 bookmakers
i have bet history from all bets

here is a snippet from bitcoinlivebets history (from my first lost account)


check the row number #5 #6 , and you are still placing bets here?   middles and both sides/bets at the same bookmakers

i will recover my lost account balance history too (from my sql database bet history) , and share it   
(  to prove the lost account withdrawals amounts too ,i got them about 1 month ago but bitcoinlivebets  try to use this/these withdrawals for proving, but what?  i do not understand )
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September 26, 2013, 11:52:54 PM
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The article is getting wrote up as we speak we pretty confident in the decision we have made I hope both parties happy but one thing is for certain this case has been extremely hard as English appears to be a 3rd language for both parties.

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September 27, 2013, 11:05:33 AM
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so here is my 1st lost account history too, restored from my sql database , but i will ask bitcoinlivebets to share the real one too  ,
my 1st lost account there is nothing to do with, i only shared it because bitcoinlivebets tried to use my last 26,48 BTC withdrawal in my lost account (that was happend 1 month ago) for that they paid me out (correctly)

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September 30, 2013, 01:10:58 PM
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Any more news on this?

"There is only one thing that is seriously morally wrong with the world, and that is politics. By 'politics' I mean all that, and only what, involves the State." Jan Lester "Escape from Leviathan"
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October 01, 2013, 11:42:51 AM
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i am waiting for bitcoincasinopro answer

i found my 1st lost account password, so i could login and save transaction list
that bring up another issues

9069    28.08.2013, 01:25 Uhr    Auszahlung: 1MCLkWa9BU2vEt5vJG9nojJc78N4WN6dZP    -26,474000 BTC
...
7888    17.08.2013, 15:08 Uhr    Einzahlung:     + 1,094120 BTC    (another strange record in my history, deposit that i have never requested)

i asked my withdrawal to 1MCLkWa9BU2vEt5vJG9nojJc78N4WN6dZP  address but  bitcoinlivebets

shared this https://blockchain.info/tx/ec5bc76182707a2f8b45e18bf024cfa5aecef6498229e1d3ac0bca880d2300f2  transaction to bitcoincasinopro, (that does not belong to me )
(perhaps they have bugs in their site engine, and payed it out to another user, and after they realized this they sent it in 2 transactions
https://blockchain.info/tx/92080917a31320a17bd8f64d01f7271f54341593aa9e902c53ef8f41e8b0ad83
https://blockchain.info/tx/73fed1684d8240f943245148951753dd1ec37b21ba21506d68a9a19e8cfe1e54
-0.5% FEE )

i opened another topic too
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=304872.0     how can i prove that an address does not belong to me ?


i wrote private message and shared this issue to all bitcoin gambling sites in this forum :

(.....  
all your goal is that bitcoin spread as fast as can, and you have more and more players , but such cases like mine will slow this unfortunately
......
i am writing to you because i hope at least one of you can see what happend here and perhaps can do something , convince bitcoinlivebets its obviously cheating
beacuse it looks like nobody care about how bitcoinlivebets robbed one of its customer (in this whole bitcointalkorg forum)  
.....
)

i asked topic moderators to help me (to login my account and save it, thx for it)


i shared almost all evidence, so i cant understand , why cant nobody see that bitcoinlivebets is the cheater (fake bet and only 10% withdrawed amount)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300044.msg3231993#msg3231993   (do the math please, in takes only 5 minutes )





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Well, I want to try that site, but after that Undecided
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Well, I want to try that site, but after that Undecided


cost of their reputation in this case in much lesser than these 30 btc in question

so your not participating is not as big of a deal
on the other hand, if those who are currently using their site would suddenly start to abandon it, in fear of losing money...


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October 01, 2013, 01:12:51 PM
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Well, I want to try that site, but after that Undecided


cost of their reputation in this case in much lesser than these 30 btc in question

so your not participating is not as big of a deal
on the other hand, if those who are currently using their site would suddenly start to abandon it, in fear of losing money...

You'd think if they were going to run, they would do so with all of the winnings.


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I played a lot on this site, I never have a problem. They are very kind and open-minded, so of course you can trust the site. It's better than any other bitcoin sportsbook sites.
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October 01, 2013, 01:38:31 PM
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Well, if I see all the evidence and stuff, it really looks like they just took the BTC.
 I could be wrong, but it really looks that way.


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October 01, 2013, 04:25:45 PM
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Well, if I see all the evidence and stuff, it really looks like they just took the BTC.
 I could be wrong, but it really looks that way.

we surley didn't do that...we have more than 700users who trusts us...

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Well, if I see all the evidence and stuff, it really looks like they just took the BTC.
 I could be wrong, but it really looks that way.

we surley didn't do that...we have more than 700users who trusts us...
Like I said before. I could be wrong Tongue I haven't made up my mind yet.


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