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October 01, 2013, 04:29:08 PM
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if you want you can try our service...you will se you can trust us Wink

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October 01, 2013, 04:37:10 PM
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if you want you can try our service...you will se you can trust us Wink
I am not into sports betting (because I do not like sports and do not follow it), but thanks for the offer Grin


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October 01, 2013, 05:00:50 PM
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if you want you can try our service...you will se you can trust us Wink

How is it possible that OP was able to bet 29BTC when your website says max bet 3BTC?

I'm not taking a side here. There is just something wrong with this case.

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October 01, 2013, 05:03:38 PM
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if you want you can try our service...you will se you can trust us Wink

How is it possible that OP was able to bet 29BTC when your website says max bet 3BTC?

I'm not taking a side here. There is just something wrong with this case.
This is something I want to know too. And please explain why you changed the rules after that. The 29BTC bet happened when the max. was still 3BTC


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October 01, 2013, 05:17:08 PM
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we still expained it in detail. it was possible to place higher bets.

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October 01, 2013, 05:36:30 PM
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i will put a question day after day

Here is the first one :

Can you imagine that i withdrawed only 1.2 BTC instead of 12 BTC the half amount of my full account balance ( account balance at this point 24,24 BTC )  when i  have more than 1000 BTC in my bitcoin wallet ?



if you can it imagine then please share your opinion what could be the reason



from my 1st account transaction list:    7888 17.08.2013, 15:08 Uhr Einzahlung: + 1,094120 BTC     (there is no such record in my bitcoin wallet history)



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October 01, 2013, 05:50:31 PM
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I can see on your wallet that we (Anonibet) have paid you 13 BTC winnings Smiley

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October 01, 2013, 05:53:48 PM
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if you want you can try our service...you will se you can trust us Wink

How is it possible that OP was able to bet 29BTC when your website says max bet 3BTC?

I'm not taking a side here. There is just something wrong with this case.




i can imagine they raised only my stake limit, and only after this issue was posted to public

Can you imagine that there is any bookmaker in the word who allow placing more than 30 BTC ($3500) on an itf tennis quarterfinal match , despite of the winner gets  only $245      
(one of the biggest bookmaker, pinnacle sports allow such high stakes only after half a day after the odds showed up and only atp wta tours, not noname itf, )
(bitbook, bitsaloon, nitrogensports use pinnaclesports prices)

here is a snippet from one of these books message to me :
 "The truth is that Pinnacle is a great book and I think it'd be very hard for a BTC book to offer better lines than them and not go out of business. "

for example , wta China,   Prize Money: $5,185,625    (not $10,000  like at my fake bet)

you can place only EUR 481 on total games , not about $ 3500 (red circles : indicates a circled "bet type" with a lower maximum)



they give a date 17/09/2013 , that they raised all of their users limit ,  after this time i placed 8 bets with under 3 btc, but on my 9th (fake) bet i placed 29, 601 BTC (instead of the max:30)
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October 01, 2013, 05:54:24 PM
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I can see on your wallet that we (Anonibet) have paid you 13 BTC winnings Smiley


yes, you always paid me out   

can you confirm that it is unreal that a bookmaker allows their users to put $3500 on an itf tennis match total games?
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October 01, 2013, 06:59:11 PM
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My suggestion is this.

It's pretty clear that this dispute is not going to be sorted out here by you and they arguing about what has happened.

I'd say the best thing is for you to offer to bitcoinlivebets.com to agree arbitration by some trusted forum member.

if they don't agree, then that looks very bad for them (they should have an arbitration procedure anyway) so it is in their interests to agree.

Then you can let the arbitrator decide.

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October 01, 2013, 07:02:54 PM
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My suggestion is this.

It's pretty clear that this dispute is not going to be sorted out here by you and they arguing about what has happened.

I'd say the best thing is for you to offer to bitcoinlivebets.com to agree arbitration by some trusted forum member.

if they don't agree, then that looks very bad for them (they should have an arbitration procedure anyway) so it is in their interests to agree.

Then you can let the arbitrator decide.

Maybe someone that can speak the betters native language, because I think he is having trouble conveying his point. He doesn't seem to be a native English speaker.


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October 01, 2013, 08:38:46 PM
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i will put a question day after day

Here is the first one :

Can you imagine that i withdrawed only 1.2 BTC instead of 12 BTC the half amount of my full account balance ( account balance at this point 24,24 BTC )  when i  have more than 1000 BTC in my bitcoin wallet ?



if you can it imagine then please share your opinion what could be the reason



from my 1st account transaction list:    7888 17.08.2013, 15:08 Uhr Einzahlung: + 1,094120 BTC     (there is no such record in my bitcoin wallet history)




What were some of the amounts of other withdraws? You make an interesting point about withdrawing 1.2 BTC. I have no dog in this fight but like to know what really happened.
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October 01, 2013, 09:17:11 PM
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we still expained it in detail. it was possible to place higher bets.

There is something seriously wrong with risk management if you allow people to bet 29BTC to some random never heard tennis tournament. I've done arbitrage for a living so I would say I'm (or at least was in 2010-2011, I doubt they've changed that much) well aware of the betting limits in the industry. There is just no way some bitcoin sportsbook can take that much action.

What are your betting limits in a Champions League football, let's say Ajax vs. AC Milan which was played today.

I have no idea what really happened here. OP clearly violated the TOS by creating two accounts but did he increase his bet size ten times compared to his previous bets? How can you take that much action? I'm at loss with this case  Huh



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October 02, 2013, 01:19:04 AM
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This is why I'll wait with betting on bookers that deal with btc. Its so easy for someone to not be legit in this cryptocoinbusiness. I really hope everything sorts out OP.
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October 02, 2013, 01:48:47 AM
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we still expained it in detail. it was possible to place higher bets.

There is something seriously wrong with risk management if you allow people to bet 29BTC to some random never heard tennis tournament. I've done arbitrage for a living so I would say I'm (or at least was in 2010-2011, I doubt they've changed that much) well aware of the betting limits in the industry. There is just no way some bitcoin sportsbook can take that much action.

What are your betting limits in a Champions League football, let's say Ajax vs. AC Milan which was played today.

I have no idea what really happened here. OP clearly violated the TOS by creating two accounts but did he increase his bet size ten times compared to his previous bets? How can you take that much action? I'm at loss with this case  Huh






This is true.  If a book has a limit of several thousand dollars on a low level tennis tournament, it's because someone has made a mistake.  It doesn't look good that the site has refused to address the question 'what are your betting limits for Challenger type tennis tournaments?"

That doesn't mean the bet wasn't placed.  I would like to hear more about the "mistakes" that the bettor in question had taken advantage of in the past.
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October 02, 2013, 08:44:01 AM
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What were some of the amounts of other withdraws? You make an interesting point about withdrawing 1.2 BTC. I have no dog in this fight but like to know what really happened.

1st lost account:
1st deposit 0,5 BTC   https://blockchain.info/tx/2f0378c9d5b7baf080d40e345fdc127fb1f8487d6c29dbb581a23b745dd9dfb8      
2nd deposit 1 BTC   https://blockchain.info/tx/200df200776a3cbba3a042e50bd200eeda957ece976c1ab186c842e3eb806f85      
3rd deposit 1.1 BTC   https://blockchain.info/tx/8386bf5b6fcb47c267e2f9f63d9cc75c05e4f032eb146b7a6bcc21460507fab2         
1st withdrawal 3 BTC (-0.5% FEE)   https://blockchain.info/tx/f15ef48d160b8a37f3a1bcf658146cb44674685dcfc5258c97910f7376e78ad6      
4th deposit 10 BTC   https://blockchain.info/tx/43ee8d0eae3b1f22445761ed8dc3af6a1a5df4c1e6f807c5045007c09e34e39e      
2nd withdrawal 26,48 BTC (full balance) https://blockchain.info/tx/73fed1684d8240f943245148951753dd1ec37b21ba21506d68a9a19e8cfe1e54   
in 2 transcation (-0.5 % FEE)   https://blockchain.info/tx/92080917a31320a17bd8f64d01f7271f54341593aa9e902c53ef8f41e8b0ad83   


2nd account:
1st deposit 8 BTC:   https://blockchain.info/tx/18592e5e0c4c9d85339522f8e421d8471ca7ed3885b809882a25b91a61ea288f
1st withdrawal  1.2BTC (instead of 12 BTC) acccount balance: 24,24 BTC : https://blockchain.info/tx/a83779b04c91a6803b3d86bdd1378eeaee0834c2efe30ccb45a50ffc5aebd21b     requested: 18.09.2013 14:06 recieved:  20.09.2013 19:46 ( 53,5 hours left)
2nd withdrawal: (full balance) 2.089 BTC (instead of 20.89) : https://blockchain.info/tx/0954400b3b0a4d90063c2fc14e822a371dd58f5e0425cc2f5d1839187694eb06   requested: 19.09.2013 22:04 recieved:  20.09.2013 19:48 ( 21,5 hours left)  (but beetween the last 2 withdrawals recieving time only 2 minutes, the fake bet was placed beetween the 2 withdrawals )





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October 02, 2013, 08:52:53 AM
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That doesn't mean the bet wasn't placed.  I would like to hear more about the "mistakes" that the bettor in question had taken advantage of in the past.

was placed by bitcoinlivebets



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October 02, 2013, 10:51:12 AM
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As I've said, the only way you are going to get this sorted out is with arbitration. If they agree to it, then you will get a decision one way or the other. If they don't agree to it, then that would be terrible PR for them. So I expect they will agree. But you have to get the ball rolling .....

 

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October 02, 2013, 11:51:18 AM
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he just faked details here...we discussed it with him in several times....also a expert for betting sites had looked on the details.


http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/reviews/bitcoinlivebets-com/29-60-btc-complaint-against-bitcoinlivebets-com-unsubstantiated/


so for us is no more need to discuss it here with him. We will also have in the future a better look on betting like this. It was luck for us, that he lose his big bet. Before he also had won with other accounts XX BTC's.

if you had any more questions--> write us a message!

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October 02, 2013, 01:05:16 PM
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he just faked details here...we discussed it with him in several times....also a expert for betting sites had looked on the details.


http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/reviews/bitcoinlivebets-com/29-60-btc-complaint-against-bitcoinlivebets-com-unsubstantiated/


so for us is no more need to discuss it here with him. We will also have in the future a better look on betting like this. It was luck for us, that he lose his big bet. Before he also had won with other accounts XX BTC's.

if you had any more questions--> write us a message!

in here there is another issue:

this transaction mentioned above:
https://blockchain.info/tx/ec5bc76182707a2f8b45e18bf024cfa5aecef6498229e1d3ac0bca880d2300f2  does not belong to me

from transaction list:
9069 28.08.2013, 01:25 Uhr Auszahlung: 1MCLkWa9BU2vEt5vJG9nojJc78N4WN6dZP   -26,474000 BTC

Bitcoinlivebets  could you confirm  this record in my transaction list? 


i asked my withdrawal to 1MCLkWa9BU2vEt5vJG9nojJc78N4WN6dZP  address

until now bitcoincasinopro  does nothing , i am waiting their answer more than 2 days, they public that post on their webpage without asking me  about outpayment address and others

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=304872.0    here is another topic  

i am sure bitcoinlivebets cant prove that any of the sender addresses (48 pieces)  belong to him
but as i see nobody cares about it

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