Waves - is a Scam and fraud?

[bct_ail]

Even OP was raised this question more than 2 years back and based one particular air-drop, I just want to share my personal opinion about waves which is about 5 years of observation as a strong believer of cryptos.

1. In my opinion, waves are supporting dapps long before ethereum was introduced but for no reason or due to lack of active devs, they are not growing how ethereum managed to surprises some 2 years back.

2. Waves is supporting implicit POS feature which is known leasing waves. I am doing it for years without any problem and anyone may go for it as it will not let our waves go out of our wallet and we may cancel leasing at anytime.

3. Unlike most other altcoins, waves is not widely accepted on gambling industry nor there is no dedicated waves based gambling house. I read recently there is going to be a new waves based gambling but not heard anything about its development or launch.

4. Waves must be one of the coin which is still undervalued for no reason. By early 2019 when bitcoin was in negative market, waves managed to gain some 10x growth within a week of time and we can expect similar growth again at any time.

I agree with you on points 1-3. And I can also remember 2019, when Waves was pumping. But just like then, I ask myself, why? There was no great news to justify that growth . And what news should it be in the future to make Waves growth again?

[BChydro]

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I agree with you on points 1-3. And I can also remember 2019, when Waves was pumping. But just like then, I ask myself, why? There was no great news to justify that growth . And what news should it be in the future to make Waves growth again?

When the ICO market was booming all these token creating platform was having a good time and the decentralized exchange was interesting but the problem with the market is that anyone could create fake tokens and it will be hard for new users to follow everything and many got scammed if you are not careful trading in the exchange and now it is hard until they make some major changes.

[shoreno]

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I agree with you on points 1-3. And I can also remember 2019, when Waves was pumping. But just like then, I ask myself, why? There was no great news to justify that growth . And what news should it be in the future to make Waves growth again?

When the ICO market was booming all these token creating platform was having a good time

there are many token creation platform but most of them only boom recently while the only known platform that time was eth and waves so both of them are indeed having a good time but eth platform was may more indemand than waves because they say the quality of coin will be better if its under the eth platform  .

 so @bct_ail link know you know why waves pump before  . you cant saw that somewhere on news because this isnt an important/special event to be on news

[crypto_trader#43xzEXrP]

I think waves is not a scamm . Even if they have a wallet with full of bugs they are still on the market for 4 years and in the top60. You should contact an administrator from their official email and try to tell them the issue

I already wrote them by this emails, and no any answer more than 1 month, from 13 of April 2020.
The last reply, which I received from there, this is reply about how to make deposit.
Maybe they just pay small amounts, or just continue to accept deposits, because this is a SCAM.

@FanEagle, instamined shit,
which was been selled for BTC on ICO, cannt be undervalued for no reason, moreover, after SCAM,
because no one don't want to give their money to primitive rats, who just want to stole it,
by using a simple SCAM-schemes.

And usually, instamined altcoins, with total available supply over 100 M,
have equilibrium market price 1-20 sat's, for long time, with $0 volumes of trading.

[Quidat]

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I agree with you on points 1-3. And I can also remember 2019, when Waves was pumping. But just like then, I ask myself, why? There was no great news to justify that growth . And what news should it be in the future to make Waves growth again?

When the ICO market was booming all these token creating platform was having a good time

there are many token creation platform but most of them only boom recently while the only known platform that time was eth and waves so both of them are indeed having a good time but eth platform was may more indemand than waves because they say the quality of coin will be better if its under the eth platform  .

 so @bct_ail link know you know why waves pump before  . you cant saw that somewhere on news because this isnt an important/special event to be on news

This is some good article to read up towards Waves on earlier phase https://news.bitcoin.com/waves-raises-2m-crowdfunding/
Im not saying that Waves is a failed project but the devs or team behind it didnt really made up more updates towards this one.
Ive remembered well on how ETH and WAves are popular wayback before when they are just starting. They do really gain that
attraction but ETH able to manage to withstand the test of time.

[asriloni]

I think waves is not a scamm . Even if they have a wallet with full of bugs they are still on the market for 4 years and in the top60. You should contact an administrator from their official email and try to tell them the issue

I already wrote them by this emails, and no any answer more than 1 month, from 13 of April 2020.
The last reply, which I received from there, this is reply about how to make deposit.
Maybe they just pay small amounts, or just continue to accept deposits, because this is a SCAM.

@FanEagle, instamined shit,
which was been selled for BTC on ICO, cannt be undervalued for no reason, moreover, after SCAM,
because no one don't want to give their money to primitive rats, who just want to stole it,
by using a simple SCAM-schemes.

And usually, instamined altcoins, with total available supply over 100 M,
have equilibrium market price 1-20 sat's, for long time, with $0 volumes of trading.

It looks like that guy above you didn't even aware about the case of waves with its scam coinomat. It's not only sasha but whole people in this foundation can be called as scammer.

I guess waves will not response your accusation. So many accusations have ignored by the team since this project has already started.

[disconnectme]

I doubt the project is a scam, if it is a scam by now the team would have run away with the stash of Bitcoin they are sitting on. Waves team got luck got into the Crypto at the start of ICO bull run, was able to raise 33K BTC and rode it to the top. There is nothing special about project, the exchange lacks volume and no one is even using their platform expect all these scam-my airdrop.

[crypto_trader#43xzEXrP]

I doubt the project is a scam, if it is a scam by now the team would have run away with the stash of Bitcoin they are sitting on. Waves team got luck got into the Crypto at the start of ICO bull run, was able to raise 33K BTC and rode it to the top. There is nothing special about project, the exchange lacks volume and no one is even using their platform expect all these scam-my airdrop.

This seems like a fake, because now, market capitalization of all WAVES is 11400 BTC
according the data of https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/waves/
but this value calculated in USD, and this value is equal of total available waves * price of this shit
Where is another 22k BTC now??
If this is real market why they just stoled $7k, after WUSD-SCAM, holding it, and no any answer - more than one month?
I think the price of this WAVES is a fake, because they just buying this - for already stoled money,
and in real life there just sit a several rat's, who are ready to stole even few satoshies.
Otherwise, they would not steal money from traders if it weren’t a financial bubble.

[7788bitcoin]

I doubt the project is a scam, if it is a scam by now the team would have run away with the stash of Bitcoin they are sitting on. Waves team got luck got into the Crypto at the start of ICO bull run, was able to raise 33K BTC and rode it to the top. There is nothing special about project, the exchange lacks volume and no one is even using their platform expect all these scam-my airdrop.

All the ICO that promised big raised a ton of money and after that the end product was shit and that is the case with many projects, what is the real update on the waves platform, i am not hearing much from them and how they are going to change that is unknown, you can use it as a speculative market just like any other market in this space.

If this is real market why they just stoled $7k, after WUSD-SCAM, holding it, and no any answer - more than one month?
I think the price of this WAVES is a fake, because they just buying this - for already stoled money,
and in real life there just sit a several rat's, who are ready to stole even few satoshies.
Otherwise, they would not steal money from traders if it weren’t a financial bubble.

It is a really low amount of money to get a scammer tag, what i am trying to tell is if they really wanted to run away they would have rather than stealing just small amounts. If you could elaborate about the scam then it would be great as i cannot find any thread regarding this,

[crypto_trader#43xzEXrP]

If this is real market why they just stoled $7k, after WUSD-SCAM, holding it, and no any answer - more than one month?
I think the price of this WAVES is a fake, because they just buying this - for already stoled money,
and in real life there just sit a several rat's, who are ready to stole even few satoshies.
Otherwise, they would not steal money from traders if it weren’t a financial bubble.

It is a really low amount of money to get a scammer tag, what i am trying to tell is if they really wanted to run away they would have rather than stealing just small amounts. If you could elaborate about the scam then it would be great as i cannot find any thread regarding this,

I already described that scam-scheme in my previous posts.

[jarhed]

I don't think Waves is a skam, because the project is in the top market, it has a team that is trying to improve its project, it's just not a good time and not everything works out with the developers of Waves.

[Twinkledoe]

I think waves is not a scamm . Even if they have a wallet with full of bugs they are still on the market for 4 years and in the top60. You should contact an administrator from their official email and try to tell them the issue

I already wrote them by this emails, and no any answer more than 1 month, from 13 of April 2020.
The last reply, which I received from there, this is reply about how to make deposit.
Maybe they just pay small amounts, or just continue to accept deposits, because this is a SCAM.

@FanEagle, instamined shit,
which was been selled for BTC on ICO, cannt be undervalued for no reason, moreover, after SCAM,
because no one don't want to give their money to primitive rats, who just want to stole it,
by using a simple SCAM-schemes.

And usually, instamined altcoins, with total available supply over 100 M,
have equilibrium market price 1-20 sat's, for long time, with $0 volumes of trading.

It looks like that guy above you didn't even aware about the case of waves with its scam coinomat. It's not only sasha but whole people in this foundation can be called as scammer.

I guess waves will not response your accusation. So many accusations have ignored by the team since this project has already started.

I won't label them as scammers as they are continuously developing their platform. Most scammers run away with their stash without making any effort on their platform. But this one, they seemed to continuously deliver some progress. But even if they introduced the waves.exchange, it seemed everyone is ignoring it. I know they have funds but why is it that they are not holding at least sig campaign here in the forum when they launched their new exchange platform? A lot of projects here can afford and more than likely waves is in better position than most of them.

[andulolika]

Caveat emptor.
And waves is highly underrated.

[crypto_trader#43xzEXrP]

I think waves is not a scamm . Even if they have a wallet with full of bugs they are still on the market for 4 years and in the top60. You should contact an administrator from their official email and try to tell them the issue

I already wrote them by this emails, and no any answer more than 1 month, from 13 of April 2020.
The last reply, which I received from there, this is reply about how to make deposit.
Maybe they just pay small amounts, or just continue to accept deposits, because this is a SCAM.

@FanEagle, instamined shit,
which was been selled for BTC on ICO, cannt be undervalued for no reason, moreover, after SCAM,
because no one don't want to give their money to primitive rats, who just want to stole it,
by using a simple SCAM-schemes.

And usually, instamined altcoins, with total available supply over 100 M,
have equilibrium market price 1-20 sat's, for long time, with $0 volumes of trading.

It looks like that guy above you didn't even aware about the case of waves with its scam coinomat. It's not only sasha but whole people in this foundation can be called as scammer.

I guess waves will not response your accusation. So many accusations have ignored by the team since this project has already started.

I won't label them as scammers as they are continuously developing their platform. Most scammers run away with their stash without making any effort on their platform. But this one, they seemed to continuously deliver some progress. But even if they introduced the waves.exchange, it seemed everyone is ignoring it. I know they have funds but why is it that they are not holding at least sig campaign here in the forum when they launched their new exchange platform? A lot of projects here can afford and more than likely waves is in better position than most of them.

Why they not to develop their platform on which they just can take and steal the other people's money?
It have some sense for them, moreover while their SCAM is still possible.
Maybe, in the future, you all can see the something, like re-branding,
and another bubble with your own money placed, in the orders, to buy this air-shit.

[Coin_trader]

I doubt the project is a scam, if it is a scam by now the team would have run away with the stash of Bitcoin they are sitting on. Waves team got luck got into the Crypto at the start of ICO bull run, was able to raise 33K BTC and rode it to the top. There is nothing special about project, the exchange lacks volume and no one is even using their platform expect all these scam-my airdrop.

Yep. I'm not a big fan of waves but I'm following this project and includes to my watchlist in tradingview. The OP should change the title or closed this thread since he loss money due to not properly comprehend the mechanics of the airdrop.

They are also consistent on their product development which you can check on there official github.
https://github.com/wavesplatform/Waves/pulls

Waves is a solid project and I believe a very underrated coin considering all the product they achieve since the beginning of the project. So there is no way that they will be a fraud because of this airdrop. Anyway I have tons of shitcoin in my waves wallet because many user there are doing fake coin airdrop and that's the real fraud there.

[bct_ail]

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I agree with you on points 1-3. And I can also remember 2019, when Waves was pumping. But just like then, I ask myself, why? There was no great news to justify that growth . And what news should it be in the future to make Waves growth again?

When the ICO market was booming all these token creating platform was having a good time

there are many token creation platform but most of them only boom recently while the only known platform that time was eth and waves so both of them are indeed having a good time but eth platform was may more indemand than waves because they say the quality of coin will be better if its under the eth platform  .

 so @bct_ail link know you know why waves pump before  . you cant saw that somewhere on news because this isnt an important/special event to be on news

I was talking about 2019 and not 2017. 2017 was the time for ICO. You wrote that in early 2019, waves had a 10x growth and I remember it very well. But my question was, what was the reason of that growth? I don't remember any news during that time.

[Innocant]

Im investing wave in a pas few years but I never said wave is a scam, I earn enough from waves since the time of bull run.
But we are in different ways on how to invest or buy wave, And in a platform for wave it was not problem on me and I understand and how to use it. Maybe they have more update in a platfrom so that's its hard for anyone to understand.

[whyrqa]

Im investing wave in a pas few years but I never said wave is a scam, I earn enough from waves since the time of bull run.
But we are in different ways on how to invest or buy wave, And in a platform for wave it was not problem on me and I understand and how to use it. Maybe they have more update in a platfrom so that's its hard for anyone to understand.

It is very difficult to predict something about the future of the Wave coins, and in particular regarding the platform. But today, traders have good performance from trading cryptocurrency Waves, especially given the daily trading volume of 35.685.000 dollars. The fact is that waves have always collected a lot of negative reviews, as well as positive reviews, since its inception. In addition, until now, waves are considered to be a direct competitor to Ethereum and many cryptocurrency users compare waves with Ethereum in different ways. Nevertheless, Ethereum is at a level much higher, To which the waves are still far. In addition, the waves are friendly to the government, and they also have their own views on user verification and loyal AML / KYC policies, and in this regard, many cryptocurrency users are unhappy.

[StephenJH]

I don't think Waves is a skam, because the project is in the top market, it has a team that is trying to improve its project, it's just not a good time and not everything works out with the developers of Waves.

l don't agree with your opinion, it doesn't matter the project is in the top market or not. We can realize that there is really some project, which is in the top market, but it is also a scam. To be in the top market doesn't mean the project is so good or reliable. Maybe the team is working hard and as you mentioned improve its project, but l don't prefer Waves. Waves DEX was a good choice way back to 2017, now it is grave for many altcoins and Waves tokens, unfortunately.

[crypto_trader#43xzEXrP]

I don't think Waves is a skam, because the project is in the top market, it has a team that is trying to improve its project, it's just not a good time and not everything works out with the developers of Waves.

l don't agree with your opinion, it doesn't matter the project is in the top market or not. We can realize that there is really some project, which is in the top market, but it is also a scam. To be in the top market doesn't mean the project is so good or reliable. Maybe team is working hard and as you mentioned improve its project, but l don't prefer Waves.

To keep the great position in the top of market, there is enough to inflate the finantial bubble,
by buying an any asset for already stoled, another people's money.
As you can see here, the [market capitalization] = [total available supply of coins] * [market price],
and while [total available supply of coins] value ~ constant,
[market capitalization] value is directly proportional from [market price] value,
and there is enough to pump shit-coin, and push up the [market price]
to inflate the [market capitalization] of any scam-shit,
up to top-ranked crypto-shit, which are sorted by [market capitalization],
and have the rank equal of position in this sorted list.

And there is no any dependency from stability of deposit-withdraw real money.
There can be a total scam, but this will have the high [market price],
just while scammers reinvesting and keep stoled money in buy-orders to buy their own shit.

Im investing wave in a pas few years but I never said wave is a scam, I earn enough from waves since the time of bull run.
But we are in different ways on how to invest or buy wave, And in a platform for wave it was not problem on me and I understand and how to use it. Maybe they have more update in a platfrom so that's its hard for anyone to understand.

It is very difficult to predict something about the future of the Wave coins, and in particular regarding the platform. But today, traders have good performance from trading cryptocurrency Waves, especially given the daily trading volume of 35.685.000 dollars. The fact is that waves have always collected a lot of negative reviews, as well as positive reviews, since its inception. In addition, until now, waves are considered to be a direct competitor to Ethereum and many cryptocurrency users compare waves with Ethereum in different ways. Nevertheless, Ethereum is at a level much higher, To which the waves are still far. In addition, the waves are friendly to the government, and they also have their own views on user verification and loyal AML / KYC policies, and in this regard, many cryptocurrency users are unhappy.

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No problem, I can easy process that tedious and bureaucratic procedure (AML / KYC)
to turn back my own money,
2 BTC, (18 150,52 $),
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/72c168445e105abf9e704a77b5048d4c53af20c1ecd230ddafa398c3574b9b0e
https://wavesblockexplorer.com/tx/2tGw1e4wXYauYifr7xFkJA9ydENUgENSWPytFk5iYxxV
of course, if this scammers will answer me.

But no any answers, more than 1 month, after SCAM!

Because they know, when I'll withdraw our family budget
2 BTC, (18 150,52 $),
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/72c168445e105abf9e704a77b5048d4c53af20c1ecd230ddafa398c3574b9b0e
https://wavesblockexplorer.com/tx/2tGw1e4wXYauYifr7xFkJA9ydENUgENSWPytFk5iYxxV
I will not invest no one satoshi there, in future,
after those dirty manipulations on this non-free "market",
with selective payments,
and after they long-time just decided to keep holding a someone else's money,
and just leave an illiquid shit-tokens for their inverstors.

But I see that they do not care about the any reputation of this SCAM-platform,
because all this internal fake "market" was been drawed by bots,
throught trading with fake volumes by the fake instant-issued SCAM-assets,
and this was been drawed to just stole the PART MONEY (in long-term),
and after all - to stole ALL MONEY, at last.

The stage at which the fraud occurred,
this is the stage of exchanging BTC for fake WBTC,
from scam-Issuer coinomat.
As you can see here:
https://dev.pywaves.org/assets/8LQW8f7P5d5PZM7GtZEBgaqRPGSzS3DfPuiXrURJ4AJS
Issuer            : 3PC4roN512iugc6xGVTTM2XkoWKEdSiiscd
and this is the same issuer of WUSD-token:
https://dev.pywaves.org/assets/Ft8X1v1LTa1ABafufpaCWyVj8KkaxUWE6xBhW6sNFJck
Issuer            : 3PC4roN512iugc6xGVTTM2XkoWKEdSiiscd                  

Moreover, on one wallet, there is contains 20996685.74121434 WBTC,
1 3PDDQvm8Ykj3S7BvqpW99Khx4Vubz62Fk9N                    20996685.74121434
And this is more over than real BTC was been mined.

That means, that scammers did stole our
2 BTC, (18 150,52 $),
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/72c168445e105abf9e704a77b5048d4c53af20c1ecd230ddafa398c3574b9b0e
https://wavesblockexplorer.com/tx/2tGw1e4wXYauYifr7xFkJA9ydENUgENSWPytFk5iYxxV
half-year ago, when this deposit, and exchange, was been processed.
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1QGmrMkWAwpauFRMUq9Y9mK34e7uoc7ge5
HJl9W+23pWw+y7SUoBu8T4DBWIH2XTBYDSBOXIM6k5HSyazyWewakk64cEyQrOeBDHsezL1PQhYGuZ8HZjhTO+E=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Permalink, to verify the signature

UPD:

But today, traders have good performance from trading cryptocurrency Waves, especially given the daily trading volume of 35.685.000 dollars.

Pffff. Trading volumes can be a fake, and this can be inflated by trading just one trading bot,
and exchange his crypto to another his crypto many-many times per one day.