Stop Signature campaigns. I need theymos to see this.

[fattycoins]

You need to stop shitposting in this forum, right? Then stop bounty programs and signature campaigns. This is the main reason for shit posting. I can see many newbies trying to increase their post counts here and some trying to farm merits here. If you really want to save the forum, stop signature campaigns . But no one will do that. Because they want to make money. Once upon a time , account sales were allowed in this forum. I can quote many posts from the forum saying that account sales were allowed here. Even posting in the ANN thread of ICO was compulsory for signature campaigns. Now the scenario has changed. I can see many newbies and low rank holders digging the forum to collect all those informations from the past to get merits here. But they dont know that once it was allowed in this forum. I request all the DT members of this forum, not to give any merits for any users who post in this section .

Also set a month like  november or december 2017 and track all the account sales after that and paint them red. In my opinion its not fair to track all the account sales that happened from 2009. And i request theymos to set the date for that. Because if you search the posts of this  section we can see here many saying account sales were  allowed in this forum. So i request theymos to fix the date . And I also request theymos to stop signature campaigns and bounty campaigns.

If you really want to tag members who did that in the past, i suggest to tag all campaign managers first because they were the first who started  ICO ANN bumping . After that tag others. Many people still dont know that bumping Ann thread is now against the forum rules.

If you want I will post all those details here like who all encouraged ICO ANN bumping .

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[Hero of Legendary]

I don't think Banning signature campaign is a wise decision and fair to those responsible members in this forum.

I have a suggestion, why not limit the number of new comers, and this new members should be indorse from the establish members. These seniors will be accountable for every person they brought here in this forum and everyone who has no someone to support his/her membership must pay. And don't allow them to post/comment in every section for a certain period of time to spend their time on reading.

This will stop the repeated question over and over again. Such question could be possibly intentionally created in order to increase activity.
If this will implemented I think everyone will become responsible to acquire knowledge instead of creating nonsense question and letting them to become lazy.

[KWH]

What are everyone's ideas for improving post quality?

I have mostly ruled out:

 - Removing signatures or sig ads globally.
 - Requiring payment to wear sig ads.
 - Banning account sales.

A couple of ideas that have been floating around in my head:

1. To attain ranks above Member, you'd have to earn some number of merit points. Merit points would be awarded in a monthly vote on best posts of the previous month, with various measures (TBD) to prevent gaming of the vote. Winning merit points might also come with a BTC prize.

2. Create or designate some sections as "serious discussion" sections, with no signatures. In those sections or maybe in different ones, also have poster restrictions such as Member rank or above only. And/or allow topic-creators to set these restrictions on their topics, similar to selfmod topics.

What do you think of these ideas, and what other ideas do people have?

[Welsh]

Although, admins can see personal messages for them to prevent sales on forum they would require reading these messages which I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't like the thought of. Yeah, any sensitive personal messages should be through PGP or a similar system but, not every message requires that. Even, if you did ban account sales this only prevents them dealing on the forum they'll just go elsewhere and sell the accounts.

theymos also has is reasons why he isn't willing to remove signature campaigns entirely, but I think I remember him suggesting in another post that if the merit system doesn't work as intended then he could look into it further.

[TryNinja]

[...] I like that good forum members can make money, especially when said forum members are in poorer countries and this is a major opportunity for them. I very much do not want to destroy the sig-ad/airdrop/bounty "industry". But I am not going to tolerate people posting garbage upon garbage. If the merit system completely fails and I can't think of anything else to replace it, then my next step will probably be to completely remove all ways for forum users to make money from posting (eg. removing signatures entirely).

Maybe there are ways for people who were making money by posting garbage on the forum to make money on other sites with easy bounties, etc. (For example, I don't know if they're actually any good, but https://bountyhive.io is currently advertising on the forum.) But people should use the forum to talk about these money-making ideas, not as a way of making money itself. Once you spend a lot of time here, you may be able to make some money here (which is great!), but you should consider this a far-off hope, not your primary objective.

BTW, if anyone has any ideas for simple things that these ex-nonsense-posters could usefully do to make money, I think that this'd be a good project right now. There are apparently quite a few people who were making money on the forum and could use guidance. Even though their past activities were not good for this forum, I doubt that they are useless in general.

[veleten]

banning signature campaigns has been discussed at length many a time
campaigns is like a double edged sword,they both bring more users and more posts
and the posts' quality deteriorates,which is only normal since the total amount of posts increases
granted,nowadays,for every relevant answer you have to dig through several meaningless spam-like posts
or you prefer for the topics remain without any answers at all,just because nobody cared to answer?
ICO ann thread bumping is prohibited now,so instead of banning all the campaigns,maybe enforce the rules better?

[Welsh]

banning signature campaigns has been discussed at length many a time
campaigns is like a double edged sword,they both bring more users and more posts
and the posts' quality deteriorates,which is only normal since the total amount of posts increases
granted,nowadays,for every relevant answer you have to dig through several meaningless spam-like posts
or you prefer for the topics remain without any answers at all,just because nobody cared to answer?
ICO ann thread bumping is prohibited now,so instead of banning all the capaigns,maybe enforce the rules better?

Enforce the rules on the campaign managers too. This way we'll see higher quality members being accepted in the signature campaigns as well as higher quality managers managing the signature campaigns. They should be held responsible for allowing and encouraging the spam that comes with signature campaigns and bounties. I would argue that bounties are a bigger problem and it's unlikely due to the sheer amount of them that it would be easily moderated by the current staff.

[supermandre]

Agree. If the moderators and admin are really serious in taking out spams and shitposting just ban signature campaigns.
This forum will be nice and quite and only those who are seriously fan with cryptocurrencies will stay here.
But guess what? they will not do it. There are plenty of people in higher ups getting money from campaigns and traffic it generates. They want money.
Hypocrites telling newbies to stop coming here for money, when in fact they know themselves they are earning money here and that everyone here wants money.
Just stop the root cause and everyone who seriously hates shitposting(those that never joins sig campaigns) will be happy.

[Sir Cross]

[...] I like that good forum members can make money, especially when said forum members are in poorer countries and this is a major opportunity for them. I very much do not want to destroy the sig-ad/airdrop/bounty "industry". But I am not going to tolerate people posting garbage upon garbage. If the merit system completely fails and I can't think of anything else to replace it, then my next step will probably be to completely remove all ways for forum users to make money from posting (eg. removing signatures entirely).

Maybe there are ways for people who were making money by posting garbage on the forum to make money on other sites with easy bounties, etc. (For example, I don't know if they're actually any good, but https://bountyhive.io is currently advertising on the forum.) But people should use the forum to talk about these money-making ideas, not as a way of making money itself. Once you spend a lot of time here, you may be able to make some money here (which is great!), but you should consider this a far-off hope, not your primary objective.

BTW, if anyone has any ideas for simple things that these ex-nonsense-posters could usefully do to make money, I think that this'd be a good project right now. There are apparently quite a few people who were making money on the forum and could use guidance. Even though their past activities were not good for this forum, I doubt that they are useless in general.

Even theymos has respected those who want to earn money in this forum.

The problem isn't the people in this forum who want to earn money. Let's be honest, a man has got to eat. Earning money from a forum is beneficial, so why must we eradicate this and destroy this opportunity for others?

The problem are those whose main objective is to earn. Out of their desperation, they post nonsense shit in order to increase their post count then level up just so that they can earn more.

But what if we just fixed the system of signature campaigns so that we can better give opportunities for those who want to earn? Guidelines have already been set but this is sometimes not followed. Perhaps better compliance should be made. If there are campaign managers who do not accept users who do not make quality posts, then no one would attempt to join a campaign just by aimlessly posting.

Eradication is not always the solution. There are still some ways to fix the system and we should foster what would be best and beneficial for the community.

[jbkg111816]

Then if you want to stop the signature campaign, then you should do the promotion for the ICO, I mean can even do that even though you are only to post after every hour l, I don't a single person can promote one campaign here in this forum.

[iphmpmt]

Although, admins can see personal messages for them to prevent sales on forum they would require reading these messages which I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't like the thought of. Yeah, any sensitive personal messages should be through PGP or a similar system but, not every message requires that. Even, if you did ban account sales this only prevents them dealing on the forum they'll just go elsewhere and sell the accounts.

theymos also has is reasons why he isn't willing to remove signature campaigns entirely, but I think I remember him suggesting in another post that if the merit system doesn't work as intended then he could look into it further.

This one is what you are seeking for

It's too early to get a clear picture, but my thoughts so far:
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 If the merit system completely fails and I can't think of anything else to replace it, then my next step will probably be to completely remove all ways for forum users to make money from posting (eg. removing signatures entirely).

Personally, I don't think that Theymos will do this step, which seems to be his last solution to stop spamming endemic in the forum. Another reason is we have seen magic impacts of merit sytem on the forum after one month it launched.

[virendarnagpal]

You need to stop shitposting in this forum, right? Then stop bounty programs and signature campaigns. This is the main reason for shit posting. I can see many newbies trying to increase their post counts here and some trying to farm merits here. If you really want to save the forum, stop signature campaigns . But no one will do that. Because they want to make money. Once upon a time , account sales were allowed in this forum. I can quote many posts from the forum saying that account sales were allowed here. Even posting in the ANN thread of ICO was compulsory for signature campaigns. Now the scenario has changed. I can see many newbies and low rank holders digging the forum to collect all those informations from the past to get merits here. But they dont know that once it was allowed in this forum. I request all the DT members of this forum, not to give any merits for any users who post in this section .

Also set a month like  november or december 2017 and track all the account sales after that and paint them red. In my opinion its not fair to track all the account sales that happened from 2009. And i request theymos to set the date for that. Because if you search the posts of this  section we can see here many saying account sales were  allowed in this forum. So i request theymos to fix the date . And I also request theymos to stop signature campaigns and bounty campaigns.

If you really want to tag members who did that in the past, i suggest to tag all campaign managers first because they were the first who started  ICO ANN bumping . After that tag others. Many people still dont know that bumping Ann thread is now against the forum rules.

If you want I will post all those details here like who all encouraged ICO ANN bumping .

You want to be saved from road accident; just stop walking; running; driving; travelling on the road; you are safe; your life is saved; stay at home; no accident ok.
I just want to ask one question what is the  objective of this forum; may be other reasons too but as per my knowledge and belief most of the people here are because they want to invest; trade; earn bitcoin and signature campaign is one of the ways to earn here. 
Bounty managers are paying the posters on wearing signatures of their companies.  The payer needs to check the posts for which they are paying.  If they are paying for shit posting they should be brought under strict rules and regulations or they should be guided (instructed) not to pay for low quality posts or throw away the shit posters from their campaigns.  This suggestion is stupid idea that earning sources should be blocked for better quality posts. 
There is no guarantee that if campaigns are banned; the quality of posts will improve on the contrary majority will sit silent without postings

[snowblack]

You need to stop shitposting in this forum, right? Then stop bounty programs and signature campaigns. This is the main reason for shit posting. I can see many newbies trying to increase their post counts here and some trying to farm merits here. If you really want to save the forum, stop signature campaigns . But no one will do that. Because they want to make money. Once upon a time , account sales were allowed in this forum. I can quote many posts from the forum saying that account sales were allowed here. Even posting in the ANN thread of ICO was compulsory for signature campaigns. Now the scenario has changed. I can see many newbies and low rank holders digging the forum to collect all those informations from the past to get merits here. But they dont know that once it was allowed in this forum. I request all the DT members of this forum, not to give any merits for any users who post in this section .

Also set a month like  november or december 2017 and track all the account sales after that and paint them red. In my opinion its not fair to track all the account sales that happened from 2009. And i request theymos to set the date for that. Because if you search the posts of this  section we can see here many saying account sales were  allowed in this forum. So i request theymos to fix the date . And I also request theymos to stop signature campaigns and bounty campaigns.

If you really want to tag members who did that in the past, i suggest to tag all campaign managers first because they were the first who started  ICO ANN bumping . After that tag others. Many people still dont know that bumping Ann thread is now against the forum rules.

If you want I will post all those details here like who all encouraged ICO ANN bumping .

Haha, You can't do anythings. This work to make money for everyone who have higher rank.
Everythings touch in their profits, you will be ban or receive bad eye from moderator. Be careful about that.

[supermandre]

You need to stop shitposting in this forum, right? Then stop bounty programs and signature campaigns. This is the main reason for shit posting. I can see many newbies trying to increase their post counts here and some trying to farm merits here. If you really want to save the forum, stop signature campaigns . But no one will do that. Because they want to make money. Once upon a time , account sales were allowed in this forum. I can quote many posts from the forum saying that account sales were allowed here. Even posting in the ANN thread of ICO was compulsory for signature campaigns. Now the scenario has changed. I can see many newbies and low rank holders digging the forum to collect all those informations from the past to get merits here. But they dont know that once it was allowed in this forum. I request all the DT members of this forum, not to give any merits for any users who post in this section .

Also set a month like  november or december 2017 and track all the account sales after that and paint them red. In my opinion its not fair to track all the account sales that happened from 2009. And i request theymos to set the date for that. Because if you search the posts of this  section we can see here many saying account sales were  allowed in this forum. So i request theymos to fix the date . And I also request theymos to stop signature campaigns and bounty campaigns.

If you really want to tag members who did that in the past, i suggest to tag all campaign managers first because they were the first who started  ICO ANN bumping . After that tag others. Many people still dont know that bumping Ann thread is now against the forum rules.

If you want I will post all those details here like who all encouraged ICO ANN bumping .

You want to be saved from road accident; just stop walking; running; driving; travelling on the road; you are safe; your life is saved; stay at home; no accident ok.
I just want to ask one question what is the  objective of this forum; may be other reasons too but as per my knowledge and belief most of the people here are because they want to invest; trade; earn bitcoin and signature campaign is one of the ways to earn here. 
Bounty managers are paying the posters on wearing signatures of their companies.  The payer needs to check the posts for which they are paying.  If they are paying for shit posting they should be brought under strict rules and regulations or they should be guided (instructed) not to pay for low quality posts or throw away the shit posters from their campaigns.  This suggestion is stupid idea that earning sources should be blocked for better quality posts. 
There is no guarantee that if campaigns are banned; the quality of posts will improve on the contrary majority will sit silent without postings

Your analogy is stupid. You can't compare a signature campaign to walking; running, driving; those things are in NECESSITY to go on with your life. But signature campaign is not a necessity in this forum it can be removed without hindering your everyday life and without stopping the essence of this forum. I see many of you are already afraid of removing the signature campaign and bounties it just prove that you all are just money hungry. I will not be surprise ya'll be the first one to leave this forum once you cannot earn any shit here. While others are only thinking of themselves, I am willing to sacrifice earnings to make this forum decent and spam free.

[al1n]

Your analogy is stupid. You can't compare a signature campaign to walking; running, driving; those things are in NECESSITY to go on with your life. But signature campaign is not a necessity in this forum it can be removed without hindering your everyday life and without stopping the essence of this forum. I see many of you are already afraid of removing the signature campaign and bounties it just prove that you all are just money hungry. I will not be surprise ya'll be the first one to leave this forum once you cannot earn any shit here. While others are only thinking of themselves, I am willing to sacrifice earnings to make this forum decent and spam free.

You are partly correct, but only partly. A forum, like any other website needs a server and bandwidth to function. Both those things cost money, a lot of money if the bandwidth is very large.
For now the access to this forum is free for the users and for the visitors. How do you propose to cover the expenses if the signature campaigns are gone?
Would you like to pay a fee? Or perhaps to see the damn google ads everywhere? Btw google banned crypto ads, so you will see some ads totally unrelated to this domain.

Sure, there are people bending the system to their needs, sometimes going illegal or semi-illegal (account selling for example).
But this is a problem of the moderators because they cannot (or would not) control the phenomenon.
Here it is something that can be discussed, not banning the system completely.

[zenrol28]

Why not force campaign managers to change their signature campaign requirements. Like post count requirements, make them only 1 a week but it should be very constructive. And make them check each post since it'll be a lot easier because its just 1 post per week per member of the campaign.

[visiblehand]

Signature campaigns definitely kill the quality of posts on any forum.  On the other hand, they definitely increase traffic (and therefore the value of the forum site), so it's asking a lot for them to be banned.  Not really sure there's any good solution to that.

[Jet Cash]

Maybe it's the quality of the sig campaigns that is the problem, If three quarters of them were banned, then lurkers and other visitors would be less likely to be scammed, and maybe Bitcoin could start to improve its image.

[virendarnagpal]

You need to stop shitposting in this forum, right? Then stop bounty programs and signature campaigns. This is the main reason for shit posting. I can see many newbies trying to increase their post counts here and some trying to farm merits here. If you really want to save the forum, stop signature campaigns . But no one will do that. Because they want to make money. Once upon a time , account sales were allowed in this forum. I can quote many posts from the forum saying that account sales were allowed here. Even posting in the ANN thread of ICO was compulsory for signature campaigns. Now the scenario has changed. I can see many newbies and low rank holders digging the forum to collect all those informations from the past to get merits here. But they dont know that once it was allowed in this forum. I request all the DT members of this forum, not to give any merits for any users who post in this section .

Also set a month like  november or december 2017 and track all the account sales after that and paint them red. In my opinion its not fair to track all the account sales that happened from 2009. And i request theymos to set the date for that. Because if you search the posts of this  section we can see here many saying account sales were  allowed in this forum. So i request theymos to fix the date . And I also request theymos to stop signature campaigns and bounty campaigns.

If you really want to tag members who did that in the past, i suggest to tag all campaign managers first because they were the first who started  ICO ANN bumping . After that tag others. Many people still dont know that bumping Ann thread is now against the forum rules.

If you want I will post all those details here like who all encouraged ICO ANN bumping .

You want to be saved from road accident; just stop walking; running; driving; travelling on the road; you are safe; your life is saved; stay at home; no accident ok.
I just want to ask one question what is the  objective of this forum; may be other reasons too but as per my knowledge and belief most of the people here are because they want to invest; trade; earn bitcoin and signature campaign is one of the ways to earn here. 
Bounty managers are paying the posters on wearing signatures of their companies.  The payer needs to check the posts for which they are paying.  If they are paying for shit posting they should be brought under strict rules and regulations or they should be guided (instructed) not to pay for low quality posts or throw away the shit posters from their campaigns.  This suggestion is stupid idea that earning sources should be blocked for better quality posts. 
There is no guarantee that if campaigns are banned; the quality of posts will improve on the contrary majority will sit silent without postings

Your analogy is stupid. You can't compare a signature campaign to walking; running, driving; those things are in NECESSITY to go on with your life. But signature campaign is not a necessity in this forum it can be removed without hindering your everyday life and without stopping the essence of this forum. I see many of you are already afraid of removing the signature campaign and bounties it just prove that you all are just money hungry. I will not be surprise ya'll be the first one to leave this forum once you cannot earn any shit here. While others are only thinking of themselves, I am willing to sacrifice earnings to make this forum decent and spam free.

Understand what I want to say;  for the fear of death by accident you do not stop using roads; rails; air.  Mind it I am not dependent on the payment from signature campaign.  I am not afraid of removal of signature campaign, if you have some approach and powers you are free to ban all bounties with immediate effect.  But I will ask one question ; whether you are here for charity. If yes, how much you donated till date, or you are here just here busy with prayers to God only, 
And even after banning of bounty I will not leave this forum, because I am not economically dependent and greedy for the earning of bounties though I will earn if I can.
Certain rules may be needed to be made.  Language should be controlled i suggest.

[stonehedge]

I think this ICO has big promise and will make investor very happy.