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February 26, 2018, 07:39:24 AM
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Hi Guys,


This is to share my thoughts on this matter.
1. Merit is to promote quality post.
    a. I agree. Post is reviewed for it to be counted as an Activity? why add an additional Merit?
          a1. Unfair to the newbie that came to this forum for knowledge and possible earn. Those guys who have been earlier were not required to have this to ranked up.
 2. How will you that merits are given only to those with quality post?
     a. How will you know that merit are given only to those that deserve it. What if they give it for some other purpose like selling them, or they give it to people they know who doesn't deserve it.
3. How will you compel to who have merit to give to give it out?

Sorry I just feel that the merit system is unjust. Bitcoin is the foundation of our forum. Being decentralized is one of the best features of bitcoin. Adding Merit feels like we are centralizing power to those who are on top!!..
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February 26, 2018, 07:50:25 AM
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I think you misunderstand. Theymos introduced merit as a means to stop spam and shitposts that were commonplace here because people wanted to rank up to get into signature campaigns. He didn't introduce it so that"we are centralizing power to those on top" Yes, i agree, it is harder for people to rank up and some quality posts are not merited, but don't you think that the incentive for people to post quality content is worth more than having to work a little harder to rank up?
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February 26, 2018, 08:12:09 AM
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Unfair to the newbie that came to this forum for knowledge and possible earn.
It's unfair only if you have a sense of entitlement that you should have the right to spam this forum to pieces for a quick buck. The merit system doesn't keep you from learning and sharing; on the contrary, it encourages quality posts and makes them easier to find.

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February 26, 2018, 08:47:02 AM
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I think the major unfairness of merit is that newbies cannot give it... Basically it's useless to help newbies with quality posts, unless some high rank member notices you and give you a reward for having helped a newb (i think this is pretty uncommon).
I agree with giving merit to who make quality posts, but i think the "assignment" system should be improved.

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February 26, 2018, 08:51:49 AM
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I think the major unfairness of merit is that newbies cannot give it...
Of course they can. They just have to earn it first.

I hope you're not suggesting that every new account should be given a complimentary supply of spendable merit Cheesy

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February 26, 2018, 10:01:46 AM
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So we can consider that merit is the barrier for person to become easily rank up? Because it looks like without merit no one can be rank up aside from being a Jr member.
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February 26, 2018, 10:07:30 AM
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1. Merit is to promote quality post.
    a. I agree. Post is reviewed for it to be counted as an Activity? why add an additional Merit?

You haven't read enough, this has been repeated countless times, the merit system is introduced to reduce spam and account farming.
   
a1. Unfair to the newbie that came to this forum for knowledge and possible earn.

If they really did come here for knowledge, they shouldn't care about ranks at all since all they need is to read and to post which is available in all ranks.

Those guys who have been earlier were not required to have this to ranked up.

That's exactly the reason, it's because they've been here "first". Reality Check: In most cases it's always been the first ones who gets the most. Did you also whine when the early adopters get the most out of bitcoin?

2. How will you that merits are given only to those with quality post?
     a. How will you know that merit are given only to those that deserve it. What if they give it for some other purpose like selling them, or they give it to people they know who doesn't deserve it.

If you find any user that is abusing the system you can report it in Meta board.

3. How will you compel to who have merit to give to give it out?

What are you trying to say? I didn't understand a thing

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February 26, 2018, 12:26:11 PM
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i think it is just fair that merit system was introduced. why? because the other members of this forum are just focusing with the quantity of post they can produce rather than the quality of the knowledge they are sharing with other members. spamming becomes common because of mebers are focusing only on the quantity of post they can produce for them to rank up. i think, the main goal of this forum is to learn first before you earn.
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February 26, 2018, 03:03:41 PM
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a1. Unfair to the newbie that came to this forum for knowledge and possible earn. Those guys who have been earlier were not required to have this to ranked up.

It is quite obvious that what you are saying is true, newbies are really the most affected by this but it is only the normal thing whenever there is a change next group is always prone by the effect whether it is good or bad. But I think there is no reason to make ourselves worry, just be responsible to obey the rule, I believe when you do this merit sources is subject to do their task.


 
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2. How will you that merits are given only to those with quality post?
     
What are you trying to say? "How will you know.....?"
I think merit will surely do their duty fairly but not the spammers.Just try to have some trust with them and let us see the next thing for this merit system.

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March 05, 2018, 10:24:47 AM
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Hi Guys,


This is to share my thoughts on this matter.
1. Merit is to promote quality post.
    a. I agree. Post is reviewed for it to be counted as an Activity? why add an additional Merit?
          a1. Unfair to the newbie that came to this forum for knowledge and possible earn. Those guys who have been earlier were not required to have this to ranked up.
 2. How will you that merits are given only to those with quality post?
     a. How will you know that merit are given only to those that deserve it. What if they give it for some other purpose like selling them, or they give it to people they know who doesn't deserve it.
3. How will you compel to who have merit to give to give it out?

Sorry I just feel that the merit system is unjust. Bitcoin is the foundation of our forum. Being decentralized is one of the best features of bitcoin. Adding Merit feels like we are centralizing power to those who are on top!!..
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I don't find it unfair. You making this thread made me feel that you're only here in this forum just trying to earn btc with no intentions of helping impart knowledge to new people coming in.
If you badly needed merit for you to rank up you need to work on your posts and prove that your worthy to receive one.







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March 05, 2018, 10:39:41 AM
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I can understand your concern but I think that since merit feature is a new feature, it will take time to inculcate the habit of using it in a natural way. It is difficult to avoid anyone from selling merits but we have some smart members here who keep track of these things and report/red trust such profiles so we don't have to worry about it. It's not unfair, it's new and it's unstable.

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March 09, 2018, 05:04:25 PM
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          a1. Unfair to the newbie that came to this forum for knowledge and possible earn. Those guys who have been earlier were not required to have this to ranked up.
         

That is why merit was given to challenge newbies to post quality. Even it was not merited it is okey, just continue to write helpful post.


Sorry I just feel that the merit system is unjust. Bitcoin is the foundation of our forum. Being decentralized is one of the best features of bitcoin. Adding Merit feels like we are centralizing power to those who are on top!!..
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Unjust if we does not apply the rules but look around in meta section you can find that it is applied not just for newbies or jr but for all.

FYI, Decentralized doesn't have relation to merit.

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March 09, 2018, 05:28:32 PM
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If people were really interested in improving their post quality, then the first thing they would do is to read the stickies that are on every board. Then they would read the threads, and stop repeating the same endless low quality posts.

I'm extremely disappointed that the myriad of posters with minimal command of english have stayed away from the english improvement threads. If they really wanted to "earn" merits, then they would be prepared to work to gain them. Instead of that, they seem to hang around in the high traffic threads displaying their dog-eared posts, and hoping that a merit will fall out of somebody's wallet.

How many of these posters have actually looked up the meaning of the word "merit", and if so, do they understand it?

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Hi Guys,


This is to share my thoughts on this matter.
1. Merit is to promote quality post.
    a. I agree. Post is reviewed for it to be counted as an Activity? why add an additional Merit?
          a1. Unfair to the newbie that came to this forum for knowledge and possible earn. Those guys who have been earlier were not required to have this to ranked up.
 2. How will you that merits are given only to those with quality post?
     a. How will you know that merit are given only to those that deserve it. What if they give it for some other purpose like selling them, or they give it to people they know who doesn't deserve it.
3. How will you compel to who have merit to give to give it out?

Sorry I just feel that the merit system is unjust. Bitcoin is the foundation of our forum. Being decentralized is one of the best features of bitcoin. Adding Merit feels like we are centralizing power to those who are on top!!..
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The word unjust is not appropriate. The merit system is made to make this forum a better place. Let's just be patient, sooner or later we'll get there if we give more effort. I'm having hard time getting merits myself because of my shitty posts. Someone even called me a merit whore for just trying to answer questions and I answered it all wrong. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3041155.msg31913972#msg31913972

We just have to be patient and do our best . There's always room for improvement. We newbies should take this as constructive criticisms for this will bring the best in ourselves. Learning is a process. Be patient and never give up!;D

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March 09, 2018, 10:06:20 PM
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Hi Guys,


This is to share my thoughts on this matter.
1. Merit is to promote quality post.
    a. I agree. Post is reviewed for it to be counted as an Activity? why add an additional Merit?
          a1. Unfair to the newbie that came to this forum for knowledge and possible earn. Those guys who have been earlier were not required to have this to ranked up.


First, merit is only to rank up and only useful in economic terms for campaigns. If you are not in for money is just a badge that is better if is difficult to get.

Now, if you are here to make profit, know that this forum´s reputation was built by many people that were here before you (and before me indeed) that built something from nothing, including "Satoshi", who was active for years if I am not wrong. So, no it is not unfair that they have a privilege over the people that arrived later. You can´t pretend to build an user rank just by posting crap and have the same status because THAT would definitely not be fair.

What they are asking from you is to contribute to further enhance the reputation of the forum by creating the type of content that made it what it is today. They are giving you that opportunity, so grab it.

In case you still don´t understand, go to any of the google early investors or even the founders and ask them why are you not a millionaire and that you feel frustrated about it. Check out what opportunity will these people give you.

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March 09, 2018, 10:55:01 PM
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Life is unfair OP. People who joined the forum early on had a chance to get many free coins that if held would be a small fortune today. You could get a VIP and donator status for a few dollars... At some point all rules were established and it always hurt a group of people just like it seems to be hurting you now.
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March 10, 2018, 02:22:43 AM
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I just came back today from I just can't remember why suddenly I forgot to visit bitcointalk, and merit is the first thing that caught my attention.

My opinion is I think its fair. Some just didn't see or appreciate it at first, but its a good thing, that you post or comment not just for activity but to add sense with it.
Merit is something you gain when someones agree with you, or grant because you doing a great thing in the forum.
And I think its a great way of appreciating other.

Hope they didn't add demerit button, that was UNFAIR. Grin

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March 10, 2018, 02:24:07 AM
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Wrong! It seems that your main purpose to be here is to get 'possible earn'. I guess that what you really implied in your thread (not for getting knowledge, or at least it is not your main purpose to be here). Theymos launched merit system to control spamming endemic in the forum, which occured recently, I guess since the last year (2017) when whole crypto-market and crypto-ecosystem considerably blossomed, which in turn resulted in lots of newcomers/ spammers joined the forum and made it like a landfill with tons of their shitty posts.

I guess eagerly-to-learn newcomers will feel very comfortable with merit system because they will get what they deserved and feel satisfied when seeing spammers, shit-posters stucked at Junior Member rank forever!
1. Merit is to promote quality post.
    a. I agree. Post is reviewed for it to be counted as an Activity? why add an additional Merit?
          a1. Unfair to the newbie that came to this forum for knowledge and possible earn. Those guys who have been earlier were not required to have this to ranked up.

Not all of merited posts really deserved to those merit points they got, but the most important thing is merit-beggar, merit-cheater, merit-exchangers will be tagged and / or reported soon, then they will be banned. You should not worry about that, just simply focus to improve your threads' quality.
2. How will you that merits are given only to those with quality post?
     a. How will you know that merit are given only to those that deserve it. What if they give it for some other purpose like selling them, or they give it to people they know who doesn't deserve it.

I don't really understand and get your point. No one has right to request you to send your sMerits to anyone. I would like to emphasize sMerits (sendable merits), not Merits. You can not send your Merits away, but you can do with your sMerits.
3. How will you compel to who have merit to give to give it out?

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March 10, 2018, 03:52:22 AM
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Someone said merit system is unfair
Someone said merit system in un-helpful
Someone said merit system is centralized
Someone said they can not get merits for their bad posts
Someone said they actually earn merits for their constructive posts
Someone said they can cheat the forum's admin, moderators to exchange merits
Someone said they can not rank up higher than their current position due to merit system
And so on ...

The fact is merit system is really useful, powerful in controlling spammers to rank up; but it is very meaningful, motivated system for ready-to-learn, constructive users.

Please accept the fact, stop complaining, and never starting such a spam topic, my friend.

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