MERIT unfair?

[Expert3]

Hi Guys,


This is to share my thoughts on this matter.
1. Merit is to promote quality post.
    a. I agree. Post is reviewed for it to be counted as an Activity? why add an additional Merit?
          a1. Unfair to the newbie that came to this forum for knowledge and possible earn. Those guys who have been earlier were not required to have this to ranked up.
 2. How will you that merits are given only to those with quality post?
     a. How will you know that merit are given only to those that deserve it. What if they give it for some other purpose like selling them, or they give it to people they know who doesn't deserve it.
3. How will you compel to who have merit to give to give it out?

Sorry I just feel that the merit system is unjust. Bitcoin is the foundation of our forum. Being decentralized is one of the best features of bitcoin. Adding Merit feels like we are centralizing power to those who are on top!!..
 
         

MERIT IS NOT UNFAIR!
I object to what you are trying to say. The moderators just wants us to post better things than ever. We need to post like Nullius so we can earn merits. It's easy as that, the sad thing here is Nullius had no life. We need to forget our life to post like Nullius or get a merit, easy, no sweat.

[tranthidung]

I did not say that system is unfair.
I said, it is totally unfair.
I have the right to complain as much as I want.
I have the right to say my opinion as much as I want.
You don't tell me how to behave, I am old enough.
"Grow up" to your friends, please.
If you want to educate yourself, start from your fundamental rights.
Best Regards

Yeah, it seems that it's your choice to behave in the forum. Contribution to the forum and forum users is key to get merit scores from others. I have spent minutes to look at your post history, most of them are not high-quality, not useful (sorry, it is just my own assessment, maybe wrong); main part of them written in Russian. I don't think that local boad is a good place to get merits. One of your posts got 10 merits from one user, but honestly I guess it is not deserve to earn 10 merit points.

Anyway, thanks for your discussion. Hope that you can rank up and get merit legally.

[bitbit99]

I totally agree that agree that Merit is unfair. Because its unable to produce more merit.
You get 0.5 sMerit when someone Merits you, plus he looses 1 Merit. But what will be when there is not enough Merit to grant, and no one can give his sMerits.

One day all Merits/sMerits will be spent and can not be replenish. That means that the forum will be overcrowded with newbies and Jr. Members with 1000+ activity.

[tranthidung]

Wrong! Only bad-quality posters complain that merit system is unfair. I look at your post history, most of your posts are one-line, Russian language, and maybe spam threads.

I totally agree that agree that Merit is unfair.

Wrong too! Merit senders will lose their sMerits (which are the actual thing they send, not Merit points). Merit receivers will get both merits and sMerits, for one Merit point receive, merit receivers will get additional 0.5 sMerits.

I totally agree that agree that Merit is unfair. Because its unable to produce more merit.
You get 0.5 sMerit when someone Merits you, plus he looses 1 Merit.

Please read this one carefully to get what you have missed.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0

[Hellas Fos]

First of all, It is not Russian. But lets say it was Russian, does this make my post low-quality?
It sounds a little bit racist to me.

It is my mother language which is the oldest on the planet, and you seem to ignore it.
If you don't recognize my language , how do you know is low-quality and spam?
Your opinion is irelevant and that shows the level of your education which unfortunately is non existent.

[tranthidung]

First of all, It is not Russian. But lets say it was Russian, does this make my post low-quality?
It sounds a little bit racist to me.

It is my mother language which is the oldest on the planet, and you seem to ignore it.
If you don't recognize my language , how do you know is low-quality and spam?
Your opinion is irelevant and that shows the level of your education which unfortunately is non existent.

No, you don't understand what I meant. Higher rank members rarely visit local boards, that is the main reasons why threads in local boards have low probability to earn merit points from them. In addition, your threads in local boards are almost one-line posts, right? I don't understand what you wrote, but most one-line threads are low-quality ones.

[cryptovegwha]

like for example my account?
ive been jr member for so long now..
any chance of receiving merit from you guys?

[tranthidung]

Super unfair!

I think it is actually fair because you exchanged merits with another guy for shit-post (3-5 word long). All your threads are completely shit-show. Please stop complaining about merit system, which is perfect one to prevent shit-posters to rank up. Don't complain and show your account with evidence about merit begging.

[Ferdinand Thomas]

Hi Guys,


This is to share my thoughts on this matter.
1. Merit is to promote quality post.
    a. I agree. Post is reviewed for it to be counted as an Activity? why add an additional Merit?
          a1. Unfair to the newbie that came to this forum for knowledge and possible earn. Those guys who have been earlier were not required to have this to ranked up.
 2. How will you that merits are given only to those with quality post?
     a. How will you know that merit are given only to those that deserve it. What if they give it for some other purpose like selling them, or they give it to people they know who doesn't deserve it.
3. How will you compel to who have merit to give to give it out?

Sorry I just feel that the merit system is unjust. Bitcoin is the foundation of our forum. Being decentralized is one of the best features of bitcoin. Adding Merit feels like we are centralizing power to those who are on top!!..
 
         

absolute valid discussion. What prevents "merit-holders" from circle jerking and passing merit towards each other?

[Dontme]

Hi Guys,


This is to share my thoughts on this matter.
1. Merit is to promote quality post.
    a. I agree. Post is reviewed for it to be counted as an Activity? why add an additional Merit?
          a1. Unfair to the newbie that came to this forum for knowledge and possible earn. Those guys who have been earlier were not required to have this to ranked up.
 2. How will you that merits are given only to those with quality post?
     a. How will you know that merit are given only to those that deserve it. What if they give it for some other purpose like selling them, or they give it to people they know who doesn't deserve it.
3. How will you compel to who have merit to give to give it out?

Sorry I just feel that the merit system is unjust. Bitcoin is the foundation of our forum. Being decentralized is one of the best features of bitcoin. Adding Merit feels like we are centralizing power to those who are on top!!..
 
         

You are right buddy this is so sad and very hurtful to those still newbie in crypto they are just still in the starting stages and then the admistrator rule this then it is like very disappointed to all of them. But as we can see that it is also good to all of us because from now on we are in mandatory to post a quality post that we cant do it before. This is so avoid spam and bad post

[Hellas Fos]

First of all, It is not Russian. But lets say it was Russian, does this make my post low-quality?
It sounds a little bit racist to me.

It is my mother language which is the oldest on the planet, and you seem to ignore it.
If you don't recognize my language , how do you know is low-quality and spam?
Your opinion is irelevant and that shows the level of your education which unfortunately is non existent.

No, you don't understand what I meant. Higher rank members rarely visit local boards, that is the main reasons why threads in local boards have low probability to earn merit points from them. In addition, your threads in local boards are almost one-line posts, right? I don't understand what you wrote, but most one-line threads are low-quality ones.

Dear tranthidung
I started  a very good thread in Bitcoin Discussion. I had about 100 views in a few hours.
Check it out if you want.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3119349.0
It is a good post and I spent hours to write it down. I 've had very good comments and positive feedback from Hero members etc.
Moderators moved my thread from General Discussion to  Beginners & Help! for no reason and they don't answer my messages.
A thread about "Growing Bitcoins" is not for beginners obviously.
Now I have zero views. How do I get the merits then?


You will realize very soon that your rank stays the same,
because you don't have enough merits,
because nobody gives you merits, no matter what you post.
Simple true is, they don't want new members to grow.

[rps_rado]

Can you explain how is merit actually earned?

[zool2003]

I think the major unfairness of merit is that newbies cannot give it...

Of course they can. They just have to earn it first.

I hope you're not suggesting that every new account should be given a complimentary supply of spendable merit

What would be wrong with allocating one or 2 merit points for jr members though? A jr member can be active for 2 months before ranking up if they had one or 2 merit points that could make the balance a little bit better.

A lot of the highest ranking members don’t visit the newbie forums and less experienced users would also appreciate more how hard it is to get merit.

I have read today people with over 1000 merit complaining that no one gives them merit?

[wiser]

I've been on this forum since 2013 and every time there has been some kind of change made to keep one step ahead of spam posters and system gamers there have always been complaints. You might not like it, but you're not going to change it by complaining. I suggest you figure out the rules and abide by them, and use your time here to educate yourself and don't worry so much about earning for the time being. That will come if you stick with it.

Regardless of the particular system used to discourage low quality posts, the basic rule hasn't changed. Only post if you actually have something to say, and only post it once. If you follow that rule, you should be just fine.

[Hellas Fos]

We are  members of  this forum and we form communities.
The forum has introduced a ranking system in order to distinguish members.
If you have a ranking system in place you need to have rules that protect equality.
Equality is a human right and applies everywhere.

In reality Bitcointalk shut the door on new members.
This is the definition of "inequality" among old and new members.
Old menbers got 500 or 1000 merits automatically.
They just woke up in the morning and "Voila". Got them.

Bitcointalk members registerd in 2015   get 1000 merits
Bitcointalk members registerd in 2016   get  500 merits
Bitcointalk members registerd in 2017   get  250 merits
Bitcointalk members registerd in 2018   get  0 merits

[zool2003]

I've been on this forum since 2013 and every time there has been some kind of change made to keep one step ahead of spam posters and system gamers there have always been complaints. You might not like it, but you're not going to change it by complaining. I suggest you figure out the rules and abide by them, and use your time here to educate yourself and don't worry so much about earning for the time being. That will come if you stick with it.

Regardless of the particular system used to discourage low quality posts, the basic rule hasn't changed. Only post if you actually have something to say, and only post it once. If you follow that rule, you should be just fine.

I don't think everyone is moaning most do agree that its right to implement and if no one gave any input then how could things ever be made any better.

If we took your merit for example you have seen 2 comments in a month that you feel are worth of merit? you have 1000 merit it would take 41 years before you would even have to think think about merit.

[katanic97]

I must have merit for next "stage" (Jr Member) ?
I think that is unfair
But now i'm Newbie, i will try

Think of it like a college test. You have to do your course work, and you get marked for it. If your marks are high enough, then you get a pass, and you can move on to the advanced course. Is it unfair if you don't pass because you don't do the work, or you submit low quality papers.

Yes,you're right
I'll try to get to a higher ranking,my posts must be quality and very useful
So,i thnik that i can get transience

[fransera]

Hi Guys,


This is to share my thoughts on this matter.
1. Merit is to promote quality post.
    a. I agree. Post is reviewed for it to be counted as an Activity? why add an additional Merit?
          a1. Unfair to the newbie that came to this forum for knowledge and possible earn. Those guys who have been earlier were not required to have this to ranked up.
 2. How will you that merits are given only to those with quality post?
     a. How will you know that merit are given only to those that deserve it. What if they give it for some other purpose like selling them, or they give it to people they know who doesn't deserve it.
3. How will you compel to who have merit to give to give it out?

Sorry I just feel that the merit system is unjust. Bitcoin is the foundation of our forum. Being decentralized is one of the best features of bitcoin. Adding Merit feels like we are centralizing power to those who are on top!!..
 
         

hello, i do believe there is no a total fairness in this world, like you said, there is a chance for people to buy and sell the merit or maybe the earlier member was not need to pass the merit system. but i think the whole thing is a part of growing community. as far as i knew, the merit system was introduce to reduce the spamming post, the laziness of few member to read the sticky thread and to keep all the member follow the big picture of the forum itself. do you think that is easy to learn about the community if most of the post full of spam post?

maybe this example can help you figure it out:
you create a post about how to create a wallet so you can get token from ICO project you participated. and 90% of the reply you got is "thank you for the post i also want to know" or "this is a good post" or maybe "please sent me a PM if you already know it" and the worst is people post a link out of nowhere (it maybe link to a scam or viruses)

as a community, i think that is important to keep the member to stay on the right track, i believe the first time this forum appear is to facilitating the need of crypto world knowledge. but like the other growing community, the bigger the forum is, the more complicated the challenge will come.

many people came here because they heard this community can help people to gain some cash. merit system is one of the way to remind the member what is the spirit of this forum.

i think if we (all the junior member and lower rank) can pass the the requirement to rank up, it will train us to do a quality post. which means when we implement our good habit of making quality post on the bounty campaign, in the end it will give us a good reward. dont you think the merit system is good for our own sake?

please believe if something new introduce in the community it is also for the best of our own sake.

like the higher rank teach us in this community, lets learn together here and the money will follow you

keep learning and stay easy

[Esiduf222]

Merit might seem unfair to you, but according to the rules of this forum, making quality posts will surely make merits fair to you. We might not benefit from what the earlier members had, but with time and sticking to the rules, we can surely get there.

[safetrade]

I think you misunderstand. Theymos introduced merit as a means to stop spam and shitposts that were commonplace here because people wanted to rank up to get into signature campaigns. He didn't introduce it so that"we are centralizing power to those on top" Yes, i agree, it is harder for people to rank up and some quality posts are not merited, but don't you think that the incentive for people to post quality content is worth more than having to work a little harder to rank up?

At least in here, if anything it looks scammier now than before.

It's a great idea and it could work, but they need to fine-tune their implementation.

Merit is just creating centralisation IMHO.    A user with high merit, or a lot of BTC, or a certain amount of control  (a coin dev such as myself) can have merit added to their username or usernames of their choosing basically whenever they want.

And that is essentially what's happening.   Although I'm not doing it myself (I'm going to give this an honest try), I can see it clearly on the boards and in the chat rooms.  Merit can be bought and sold.  And thus it is.


I think Merit has a place, but not as a screener.     For now, I would suggest that mods look at upgrading SMF.  I am sure they have good reasons for not doing it, but those need to be weighed against the clear screening and security advantages.

With regards to how much "merit" a user really has, I'm working on a blockchain solution to that.    Looking forward to it.