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I miss how the forum used to be around March-April time, the quality of posting was amazing and the forum really did shine with brilliant technical information. I can't help but feel as if a truck load of teenagers have jumped on the bandwagon to derail threads and bump their post count with useless crap. I also feel guilty for the quality of my own posting and have thought many times about killing my account here as to not add to the continual problem. I want bitcoin to succeed, I really do, its taken over my life the past few months and I cant help but feel angry reading the majority of forum threads now a days. What can I do myself to make bitcoin succeed and drive the riff raff away?  |
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MoonShadow
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July 20, 2011, 06:21:46 PM |
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Even less than I can, and I havn't had much luck in that department.
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"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."
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July 20, 2011, 06:22:18 PM |
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I miss how the forum used to be around March-April time, the quality of posting was amazing and the forum really did shine with brilliant technical information. I can't help but feel as if a truck load of teenagers have jumped on the bandwagon to derail threads and bump their post count with useless crap. I also feel guilty for the quality of my own posting and have thought many times about killing my account here as to not add to the continual problem. I want bitcoin to succeed, I really do, its taken over my life the past few months and I cant help but feel angry reading the majority of forum threads now a days. What can I do myself to make bitcoin succeed and drive the riff raff away? It's a good sign actually. As any technical community grows and/or a technology becomes increasingly adopted, it's inevitable that numbers of non-technical users will increase. I suppose a fix would be to split the forum up, add in some kind of reputation module so that users can uprate those who post with quality. Then have a forum where membership is by invitation only, or automatic on somebody hitting certain reputation mark. Although this might earn the bitcoin community a snob reputation and work against adoption. |
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July 20, 2011, 06:24:34 PM |
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I miss how the forum used to be around March-April time, the quality of posting was amazing and the forum really did shine with brilliant technical information. I can't help but feel as if a truck load of teenagers have jumped on the bandwagon to derail threads and bump their post count with useless crap. I also feel guilty for the quality of my own posting and have thought many times about killing my account here as to not add to the continual problem. I want bitcoin to succeed, I really do, its taken over my life the past few months and I cant help but feel angry reading the majority of forum threads now a days. What can I do myself to make bitcoin succeed and drive the riff raff away? It's a good sign actually. As any technical community grows and/or a technology becomes increasingly adopted, it's inevitable that numbers of non-technical users will increase. I suppose a fix would be to split the forum up, add in some kind of reputation module so that users can uprate those who post with quality. Then have a forum where membership is by invitation only, or automatic on somebody hitting certain reputation mark. Although this might earn the bitcoin community a snob reputation and work against adoption. Or we could just start a StackExchange for the technicals... Oh wait, we're working on that: http://bit.ly/pt2km3  |
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July 20, 2011, 06:27:50 PM |
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Or we could just start a StackExchange for the technicals... Oh wait, we're working on that: http://bit.ly/pt2km3 Which needs some topics to get things going  There's been just one new topic since I committed to it a couple of days ago and I'm more of a responding than asking question for the sake of asking kind of person  |
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July 20, 2011, 06:48:10 PM Merited by PowerGlove (1) |
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Me too. I don't know how to fix it.
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July 20, 2011, 07:22:35 PM |
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Me too. I don't know how to fix it.
Crack down hard on the trolling. This will need more moderators. |
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enmaku
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July 20, 2011, 07:28:10 PM |
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Or we could just start a StackExchange for the technicals... Oh wait, we're working on that: http://bit.ly/pt2km3 Which needs some topics to get things going There's been just one new topic since I committed to it a couple of days ago and I'm more of a responding than asking question for the sake of asking kind of person You're welcome for the one new topic  Like you, I'm more of a responding than asking sort of person so it's rough to come up with questions. |
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July 21, 2011, 12:00:36 AM |
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Me too. I don't know how to fix it.
Crack down hard on the trolling. This will need more moderators. How do users become moderators anyway? And couldn't more moderators make things worse just as easily better? (The humble questions of someone who missed the good old days) |
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Xephan
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July 21, 2011, 12:01:02 AM |
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You're welcome for the one new topic Ah that's not me! That topic started after I joined the stack group |
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Chris Acheson
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July 21, 2011, 04:09:04 AM |
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Which needs some topics to get things going There's been just one new topic since I committed to it a couple of days ago and I'm more of a responding than asking question for the sake of asking kind of person The Bitcoin Stack Exchange isn't actually open yet. What we've got right now is a proposal, and we need more users to join before the site will actually launch. We especially need established Stack Exchange users with 200+ reputation, as that number is lagging. |
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tysat
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July 21, 2011, 05:10:47 AM |
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The one up side is more people on the forums means more people know about bitcoins. So you should be glad the forum is full of people!
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July 21, 2011, 05:50:40 AM |
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I think the biggest problem is one of information organization, not "trying to bump post count". There has already been a bit of joking about the fact that the forum has a very short memory.
The reason that there are so many topics and posts is mainly duplication. The thing that the new people generally do is rush to the "Create topic" button to ask one of the 10 most common questions. So make a FAQ (I know there is one on the wiki, that one can be used/extended).
In this case they should be pointed at a FAQ or duplicate topic as quickly as possible. Prevent the thread from becoming a lengthy political argument (especially if it was a technical question in the first place), and simply close it if it does.
Everyone can help with this (except for the closing) not just moderators. The key here is speed. Don't assume people are malignant, they are simply ignorant of everything that went before.
Edit: I also think MiningBuddy would make an excellent moderator
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July 21, 2011, 06:05:05 AM |
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I think the biggest problem is one of information organization
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July 21, 2011, 06:26:06 AM |
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Good point. I would support not allowing people to post new topics until they have 100 posts or so.
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tysat
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July 21, 2011, 06:32:28 AM |
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Good point. I would support not allowing people to post new topics until they have 100 posts or so.
That would make for some good policy I think. Maybe not on all sections of the forum, but a lot of them. |
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July 21, 2011, 06:34:47 AM |
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Yeah, but that wouldn't stop the trolls. AyeYo hasn't created a single topic. (that I could find)
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wumpus
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July 21, 2011, 06:38:41 AM |
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Good point. I would support not allowing people to post new topics until they have 100 posts or so.
Hm, but that would give people reason to bump their post count on purpose. IMO we simply need to be more watchful. And there need to be more moderators (that actually respond to "Report to moderator..." clicks). Technical measures won't help I'm afraid. Trolls know their way around they, so they mainly end up hurting people that have a legitimate reason for opening a topic. |
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July 21, 2011, 10:03:00 AM |
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Good point. I would support not allowing people to post new topics until they have 100 posts or so.
This won't help. I've been a mod and admin in various forums over the past decade and whenever this tactic is attempted, it just annoys legit users. Importantly everybody especially the spammers/trolls, except the very stupid, quickly figures out how to get around it... by doing the exact thing we don't want: posting nonsense as fast as they can to get past the X post count barrier. |
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July 21, 2011, 10:38:39 AM |
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I think the biggest problem is one of information organization, not "trying to bump post count". There has already been a bit of joking about the fact that the forum has a very short memory.
The reason that there are so many topics and posts is mainly duplication. The thing that the new people generally do is rush to the "Create topic" button to ask one of the 10 most common questions. So make a FAQ (I know there is one on the wiki, that one can be used/extended).
In this case they should be pointed at a FAQ or duplicate topic as quickly as possible. Prevent the thread from becoming a lengthy political argument (especially if it was a technical question in the first place), and simply close it if it does.
Everyone can help with this (except for the closing) not just moderators. The key here is speed. Don't assume people are malignant, they are simply ignorant of everything that went before.
+10, if I only had more time I would spend so much of it on the wiki... I think much of the clueless questions/rants can be eliminated with good information on the wiki, linked to in eye-catching stickies in the forum. Good point. I would support not allowing people to post new topics until they have 100 posts or so.
Not everyone are in the forum for endless chatter, some just research Bitcoin on their own and have as their first post here a good question, a useful suggestion or an interesting project they've been working on. More prudent would be a manual vetting system where established users can bestow to newbies posting rights if they see they're making good posts. |
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