Merit System Suggestion Update

[1993jochico]

IM STILL NEW HERE IN BCT FORUM SO IF THIS POST VIOLATE ANY RULES PLEASE JUST DELETE AND DONT BAN ME PLEASE.

I have some suggestion about this merit system.
Because of it is too hard to gain merits, this came out on my mind.
What if people who has a lot of sMerit make another account and send merit to his/her own account to rank up for farming, newbies here like me get hard times to gain merits and it is not fair to newbies like me.

Lets accept the fact that even you make sa useful and high Quality post you still dont get merit sometimes.

My suggestion
Why dont make it like this, No sMerit system only MERIT system and only admins can send merit to a post so that it will be fair for all and less the job of admin by checking someone send merits to another if its a farm account.
In this system no one can play the merits only the admins.

Negative side of this opinion I think is that the job of admins here will be a bit harder by checking quality of the post and giving merits to members here.

Positive side of this is that merit system will be fair to all newbies and elders here, and if the admins manage the merit system no useful and high quality post will be ignored.

EDIT: In additional I think we can make merit system automatic like activity. depends on the how long the post is, and if the post is not useful or quality merits can be gone if the post is deleted by the admins.
(there must be a lenght requirements to be merited automatically, I think all can notice a long post if its a spam post/trash then if everyone report a trash post it can be automatically deleted).

EDIT: I think they can also assign a staff on every section to manage this easily maybe 1 or 2 in every section that is a merit source so that the admins dont have to work too much for the merit distribution.

Any more additional suggestions are welcome.
If you find something wrong in my post let me know to fix this.

EDIT: Im not against this merit system, this system is nice because of its effect, Im just suggesting.

PLEASE DONT THINK IM COMPLAINING

[Nissan-GTR]

IM STILL NEW HERE IN BCT FORUM SO IF THIS POST VIOLATE ANY RULES PLEASE JUST DELETE AND DONT BAN ME PLEASE.

I have some suggestion about this merit system.
Because of it is too hard to gain merits, this came out on my mind.
What if people who has a lot of sMerit make another account and send merit to his/her own account to rank up for farming, newbies here like me get hard times to gain merits and it is not fair to newbies like me.

Lets accept the fact that even you make sa useful and high Quality post you still dont get merit sometimes.

My suggestion
Why dont make it like this, No sMerit system only MERIT system and only admins can send merit to a post so that it will be fair for all and less the job of admin by checking someone send merits to another if its a farm account.
In this system no one can play the merits only the admins.

Negative side of this opinion I think is that the job of admins here will be a bit harder by checking quality of the post and giving merits to members here.

Positive side of this is that merit system will be fair to all newbies and elders here, and if the admins manage the merit system no useful and high quality post will be ignored.

Any more additional suggestions are welcome.
If you find something wrong in my post let me know to fix this.

I agree with this, Merit system is proposing ideal fairness for all of the workers here, but in the other side this new system will make some point harder than before, just like ranking up, as long as you dont have the enough quota for Merits, you will remain in your position as what you have right now, which is okay for the old workers and very challenging for the new ones. It blocks the possibility of the person to have multiple accounts that he or she may used for scamming or maybe hacking people here.

[Pearls Before Swine]

You got 4 merits, OP.  That's a lot more than many members with your awful command of the english language have gotten, and assuming you didn't buy those, you should consider yourself very lucky.  What are you complaining about?   

In case you haven't noticed, suggestions from newbies are falling on deaf ears.  Rightfully so. 

Look at me, I haven't earned a merit yet, and I'm not about to complain, because I'm not here to rank up and spam the forum.

[SuperD007]

I think this is actually a good idea as well.

Makes a lot of sense, perhaps there should a poll setup somewhere so that members can vote on if they would prefer this system instead.

NB: On a side note, not trying to hijack this thread OP but I'm wondering if merits in someway would help to get my red trust score removed? (I received the negative trust rather unfairly in my opinion)

[jak3]

The merit system is acting like a user filter which filters the unnecessary and useless posts but of course, many rank members are misusing this system if you find someone misusing it if you can directly report it or you can complain about them on the meta board. Yes, it is very much harder now for new users to get merit points in order to rank up and I think people should contribute their merit points with other low rank uses instead of focusing on high-rank members.

[1993jochico]

You got 4 merits, OP.  That's a lot more than many members with your awful command of the english language have gotten, and assuming you didn't buy those, you should consider yourself very lucky.  What are you complaining about?   

In case you haven't noticed, suggestions from newbies are falling on deaf ears.  Rightfully so. 

Look at me, I haven't earned a merit yet, and I'm not about to complain, because I'm not here to rank up and spam the forum.

I dont post this to complain, My point here is im suggesting an option to enchance this merit system.

All of us here has different intentions, some of us are here to earn profit to this (if this is the idea of the individual here this system is really unfair for the newbies) but this is not my point to post this.

Yes i got 4 merits now and Im thankful for this, but when you are already on the MEMBER rank 90merit points is too hard to get FACT is not all will give you merit for your quality post.

Sorry if you dont like my post sir and thank you for reading my opinion. 

[bitmover]

Admins don't have time to read all the posts and give merit, impossible....

Theymos proposed the idea of some random people who are selected by admins and are merit sources. Merit sources are people with more merit who can merit high quality content, similar to what you propose.

Personally, i think Merit system is pretty good, but it's to damn scarce.
You can make a very good reply and get 0 merit, and when you get merited, just 1 merit...

We need hundreds of merits, so it's VERY HARD to make hundreds of good posts.

I will need to learn much more about blockchain to get more merit, because I noticed that technical posts receive more merits lol

But i was studying already, this is why i came here...

[Catch-22]

IM STILL NEW HERE IN BCT FORUM SO IF THIS POST VIOLATE ANY RULES PLEASE JUST DELETE AND DONT BAN ME PLEASE.

I have some suggestion about this merit system.
Because of it is too hard to gain merits, this came out on my mind.
What if people who has a lot of sMerit make another account and send merit to his/her own account to rank up for farming, newbies here like me get hard times to gain merits and it is not fair to newbies like me.

Lets accept the fact that even you make sa useful and high Quality post you still dont get merit sometimes.

My suggestion
Why dont make it like this, No sMerit system only MERIT system and only admins can send merit to a post so that it will be fair for all and less the job of admin by checking someone send merits to another if its a farm account.
In this system no one can play the merits only the admins.

Negative side of this opinion I think is that the job of admins here will be a bit harder by checking quality of the post and giving merits to members here.

Positive side of this is that merit system will be fair to all newbies and elders here, and if the admins manage the merit system no useful and high quality post will be ignored.

Any more additional suggestions are welcome.
If you find something wrong in my post let me know to fix this.

EDIT: In additional I think we can make merit system automatic like activity. depends on the how long the post is, and if the post is not useful or quality merits can be gone if the post is deleted by the admins.

EDIT: Im not against this merit system, this system is nice because of its effect, Im just suggesting.

PLEASE DONT THINK IM COMPLAINING

It will be hard for the admin to review all the post and give merits.  But I understand your concern on just transferring merits to their alternative accounts to rank up.  The current system of giving merits is good but I think they should add a maximum merit an account can give to another account, like max of 3 to 5 per month.

[Minnasan]

In my opinion merit system is very good because lately many people who want to raise their account rank only with spaming threads that seem less qualified, but this also there is a bad side in my opinion because there are also members whose rank is still low can make a quality post , but get less attention so they do not get merit. well that was just my opinion 

[Gabb]

Your proposal is absolutely impracticable, since there are very few administrators, they have very little time given the incessant work involved in managing or monitoring a forum as large as this, and it is also necessary to take into account that every day thousands, tens of thousands of new posts and it is humanly impossible for a handful of people to be able to read all of them and evaluate the quality of their contents.

Therefore I would like to return to the old system before but I know that this will not be possible, therefore we must improve and refine the present system, as it is more than proven that delegate this decision to users lends itself to unfair valuations.

[Kildin11]

Yes, I support the author. this is not true with respect to beginners. Previously, the account could be pumped just by being and communicating on the forum, but now beginners can not raise the rank, because merits do not give, they are incredibly difficult to earn

[renggileh]

you have my voice, if i have smerit i will give it to you.
I also think so, it is better to give merit directly is a moderator. but is it possible? moderator check every post that is made.
because every day there must be thousands of posts and it is not possible to see them one by one. 

[BitcoinGuruOne]

Yeah , to be honest i have noticed some problems in this system also. But i feel hopeless because none actually cares other than low ranks.
And this is not about complaining because it is hard, the problem is that the system has flowed.

Anyone knows that there is a quality issue in the forum but i haven't seen a significant quality increase, it is still too hard ready almost every thread because it is full of garbage posts.

The flow can been seen easily, just take the merit transfers and check merit transfers above 5 merits, i guarantee that at least 5 of 10 cases you will see that transactions will be between 2 members back and forth, this abusing system and no one will do something about it because those who can do something just don't care.

[1993jochico]

you have my voice, if i have smerit i will give it to you.
I also think so, it is better to give merit directly is a moderator. but is it possible? moderator check every post that is made.
because every day there must be thousands of posts and it is not possible to see them one by one. 

I think they can use automatic sysmtem for distribution like the activity system, there must be a lenght requirements to be merited automatically, I think all can notice a long post if its a spam post/trash then if everyone report a trash post it can be automatically deleted.

[franky1]

anyone that says they NEED hundreds of merits.. your missing the point

you NEED to make good contributions, and people will give you a pat on the back in the form of merits
and if you have had enough recognition for contributing positively by getting enough pats on the back in appraisal. then you rank up.

if your only concern is ranking up in weeks so you can get some bounty/sig campaign. then im sorry but your missing the point of this forum.
if your only concern is ranking up from a newbie in weeks. then im sorry but if thats what newbies think. then by the time they rank up.. a flood of hundreds of thousands of other newbies would have ranked up too,
which means the bounty/sig campaign awards you hope to get will be lot less, due too too many fingers in the bounty pie

forget about ranking up quicker. forget about making getting merit easier. just learn about bitcoin and help people out.
rank up due to quality posting, not quantity posting.

but yes if you see users getting lots of merit from certain users and those users got merits back of similar amounts within a certain time, (fake appraisals) then there should be a way to have their merit reduced especially if the posts are boring spammy non contributing quality

[Mike Mayor]

anyone that says they NEED hundreds of merits.. your missing the point

you NEED to make good contributions, and people will give you a pat on the back in the form of merits
and if you have had enough recognition for contributing positively by getting enough pats on the back in appraisal. then you rank up.

if your only concern is ranking up in weeks so you can get some bounty/sig campaign. then im sorry but your missing the point of this forum.
if your only concern is ranking up from a newbie in weeks. then im sorry but if thats what newbies think. then by the time they rank up a flood of hundreds of thousands of other newbies would have ranked up too, due too too many fingers in the bounty pie

forget about ranking up quicker. forget about making getting merit easier. just learn about bitcoin and help people out.
rank up due to quality posting, not quantity posting.

but yes if you see users getting lots of merit from certain users and those users got merits back of similar amounts within a certain time, (fake appraisals) then there should be a way to have their merit reduced especially if the posts are boring spammy non contributing quality

Yes we all know where you coming from. It's bit they system that is the problem. It's the forum members. They not using it enough and not sending out enough merits. It simply won't work if people don't play the game. There are also to few merits for everyone to have a change to rank up so only a select few will reach that rank and I know that certain people will get attention over others based purely on popularity just like steemit did. They need to reduce the amount if merits needed to rank or there is no point.  Even when you try very hard you don't always get merits and that's unfair. Most people will not bother to merit you. People complain about it but it's their own fault. If you want to rank up then start giving out merits. If noone shares merits noone ranks up. It's pretty obvious. You help others and you help yourself. That's something many members of this forum need to realize.

[GetOutOfMyLife]

The administrators and moderators have enough to deal with simply keeping the forum clear of spam, they do not have time to analyse post quality. Also, the issue of alt accounts meriting each other is invalid, they would need to be high quality alt accounts to have sMerit to spend in the first place. In my opinion, I think high quality alt accounts would contribute more to the forum than s***posting newbie or Jr accounts.

Merit is awarded to those that earn it, regardless of who they are, whether they be account farmers or not. If you post something that is high quality and contributes insight to the forum, then you deserve merit.

[joromz1226]

I think you're in the wrong thread you should post this in Meta section. Going back on topic. Who wants this kind of thing? first we don't need this king of system it's like they preventing us to rank up our profile.

[CryptoRobert]

It is not really feasable that admins can check all the posts which are made. No way. We are speaking of thousands and thousands of posts every day, I guess. Moreover, this would mean the only the opinions which those few admins like would get merited - the effects long term would be terrible.
The way that has been chose is the best one I think, the only problem is the strong deflation of sMerits - there simply are not enough sMerit circulating in the system. Since it is difficult to get them, people tend not to give them out easily. This can and should be improved.

[franky1]

I think you're in the wrong thread you should post this in Meta section. Going back on topic. Who wants this kind of thing? first we don't need this king of system it's like they preventing us to rank up our profile.

why do you need to rank up...
how about just make good quality posts that help the community.. you know. its like life.. employment.. relationships..earn a promotion/recognition. dont expect a promotion/recognition just by turning up

then by being a good contributor instead of a spammer, your promotion/recognition will have more value